gnu@hoptoad.uucp (John Gilmore) (04/11/86)
In article <> gemini@homxb.UUCP (Rick Richardson) writes: >I would like to see a group "net.micro.unix" created (NOT net.micro.xenix). >The groups charter would be for and about uses of all versions of UNIX >on single user computers. I think that the breadth of machines and >UNIX ports which this group would justify its existance. Some of the >machines that I think fit into this category are: IBM PC/AT, Tandy, >AT&T PC6300+, AT&T UNIX PC, DEC PRO. Some of the UNIX ports that fit are: >MS-Xenix (3 or SVR2), SCO-Xenix, Venix (2 or SVR2), AT&T OS-Merge, >AT&T UNIX SVR2. Uh, I run a single user Unix system (Sun-3) which is a micro (68020). But somehow I don't think I'd feel part of your net.micro.unix group. I'd rather you called it net.unix.xenix which is really more what it is for (relatively dumb questions, in the spectrum of Unix expertise, about xeniX systems). Of course, it won't help all the folks whose first question is "How come netnews won't run on my xeniX machine?"... (Ans: apparently a 4K stack is considered extravagant on these machines.) Let's not make it a mod group -- it's too hard to post to them and you can't cross-post. Though this seems to be considered an advantage, I'd prefer that things got filtered on their content rather than on how much attention you've paid to setting up the moderators file, finding routes between hither and yon, etc. -- John Gilmore {sun,ptsfa,lll-crg,ihnp4}!hoptoad!gnu jgilmore@lll-crg.arpa Post no bills.
campbell@maynard.UUCP (Larry Campbell) (04/12/86)
> In article <> gemini@homxb.UUCP (Rick Richardson) writes: > >I would like to see a group "net.micro.unix" created (NOT net.micro.xenix). > >The groups charter would be for and about uses of all versions of UNIX > >on single user computers. I think that the breadth of machines and > >UNIX ports which this group would justify its existance. Some of the > >machines that I think fit into this category are: IBM PC/AT, Tandy, > >AT&T PC6300+, AT&T UNIX PC, DEC PRO. Some of the UNIX ports that fit are: > >MS-Xenix (3 or SVR2), SCO-Xenix, Venix (2 or SVR2), AT&T OS-Merge, > >AT&T UNIX SVR2. > > Uh, I run a single user Unix system (Sun-3) which is a micro (68020). > But somehow I don't think I'd feel part of your net.micro.unix group. > > I'd rather you called it net.unix.xenix which is really more what it > is for (relatively dumb questions, in the spectrum of Unix expertise, > about xeniX systems). > ... > -- > John Gilmore {sun,ptsfa,lll-crg,ihnp4}!hoptoad!gnu jgilmore@lll-crg.arpa As difficult as this is for some to believe, XENIX is not the only UNIX available for PC-like machines. There are also VENIX (which I use on a DEC Rainbow) and PC/IX. I also don't understand why you assume users of XENIX, VENIX, and PC/IX would ask "relatively dumb questions"... just because I can't afford $13,000 for my own personal Sun-3 doesn't mean I don't know a lot about UNIX. Anyway, as far as the group name goes, I think net.micro.unix is reasonably appropriate. Most people think of Suns as "workstations", not "micros". If net.micro.unix is really disliked widely, how about net.small-unix or net.tiny-unix? Just don't put Microsoft advertising in the name... -- Larry Campbell The Boston Software Works, Inc. ARPA: maynard.UUCP:campbell@harvard.ARPA 120 Fulton Street UUCP: {harvard,cbosgd}!wjh12!maynard!campbell Boston MA 02109
ben@catnip.UUCP (Bennett Broder) (04/12/86)
In article <683@hoptoad.uucp> gnu@hoptoad.uucp (John Gilmore) writes: >In article <> gemini@homxb.UUCP (Rick Richardson) writes: >>I would like to see a group "net.micro.unix" created (NOT net.micro.xenix). > >Uh, I run a single user Unix system (Sun-3) which is a micro (68020). >But somehow I don't think I'd feel part of your net.micro.unix group. > >I'd rather you called it net.unix.xenix which is really more what it >is for (relatively dumb questions, in the spectrum of Unix expertise, >about xeniX systems). > >Of course, it won't help all the folks whose first question is "How >come netnews won't run on my xeniX machine?"... (Ans: apparently >a 4K stack is considered extravagant on these machines.) Netnews runs beautifully on Xenix based computers. This machine is PC AT, it has the complete 2.10.3 distribution (except pathalias) running, including rn. It required almost no hacking at the source to bring it up. The confusion over stack size is a result of poor documentation; if you want a 4k stack just type: cc -F 4000 and you will get one. Admittedly, Xenix versions running on the Intel 286 chips are somewhat handicapped by the segmented architecture of this chip, and I understand that there are some problems with the large and huge memory models of the compiler. But I brought up news with the small and middle models and haven't had a problem yet. And many version of Xenix run on 68000 based computers and are blissfully free of these problems. I know the SUN is an expensive machine, but don't you think you are being a little snooty about this? -- Ben Broder {ihnp4,decvax} !hjuxa!catnip!ben {houxm,topaz}/
mike@rlgvax.UUCP (Mike Shaffer) (04/16/86)
> In article <683@hoptoad.uucp> gnu@hoptoad.uucp (John Gilmore) writes: > >In article <> gemini@homxb.UUCP (Rick Richardson) writes: > >>I would like to see a group "net.micro.unix" created (NOT net.micro.xenix). > > > >Uh, I run a single user Unix system (Sun-3) which is a micro (68020). > >But somehow I don't think I'd feel part of your net.micro.unix group. > > > >I'd rather you called it net.unix.xenix which is really more what it > >is for (relatively dumb questions, in the spectrum of Unix expertise, > >about xeniX systems). > > > >Of course, it won't help all the folks whose first question is "How > >come netnews won't run on my xeniX machine?"... (Ans: apparently > >a 4K stack is considered extravagant on these machines.) > > Netnews runs beautifully on Xenix based computers. This machine is > PC AT, it has the complete 2.10.3 distribution (except pathalias) > running, including rn. It required almost no hacking at the source to > bring it up. > > The confusion over stack size is a result of poor documentation; if you > want a 4k stack just type: cc -F 4000 and you will get one. > > Admittedly, Xenix versions running on the Intel 286 chips are somewhat > handicapped by the segmented architecture of this chip, and I understand > that there are some problems with the large and huge memory models of > the compiler. But I brought up news with the small and middle models > and haven't had a problem yet. And many version of Xenix run on 68000 > based computers and are blissfully free of these problems. > > I know the SUN is an expensive machine, but don't you think you are being > a little snooty about this? > > > -- > > Ben Broder I have a network of Vax 780s running at MY house. After all, one MUST have a REAL machine in each room. In spite of my obvious superiority I would still like to see a micro.unix so that I may read about what the poor folks are doing. :-) Mike Shaffer, CCI Reston VA
davidsen@steinmetz.UUCP (Davidsen) (05/01/86)
In article <281@maynard.UUCP> campbell@maynard.UUCP writes: >> In article <> gemini@homxb.UUCP (Rick Richardson) writes: >> >I would like to see a group "net.micro.unix" created (NOT net.micro.xenix). >> >> Uh, I run a single user Unix system (Sun-3) which is a micro (68020). >> But somehow I don't think I'd feel part of your net.micro.unix group. >> >> I'd rather you called it net.unix.xenix which is really more what it >> is for (relatively dumb questions, in the spectrum of Unix expertise, >> about xeniX systems). >> ... >> -- >> John Gilmore {sun,ptsfa,lll-crg,ihnp4}!hoptoad!gnu jgilmore@lll-crg.arpa > I am a member of an organization which supports UNIX machines from XT's to two Cray2's, providing either total support or system utilities. We have our share of VAXEN and Sun2/3's, and I find no correlation between the level of the questions and the size of the machine (or number of users). We already get enough duplication and missed data between micro, unix. and unix.wizards groups without adding another! -- -bill davidsen seismo!rochester!steinmetz!--\ / \ ihnp4! unirot ------------->---> crdos1!davidsen \ / chinet! ---------------------/ (davidsen@ge-crd.ARPA) "Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward"