s_dowman@leaf.enet.dec.com (Steve Dowman) (09/22/89)
You have my vote on the formation of this group. How about
rec.swl..15-30MHz? Nah, just kidding! Actually I would like
to see the scanner bands included in this group. I believe there
are a fair amount of swl'ers that also own scanners. I do.
I am currently on the SWL mailing list but I believe it is time
to put this on Usenet. It would be easier to read and better
organized. I don't know how many times someone has sent out a
"subscribe" or "unsubscribe" message inadvertently, but it can
be annoying. Also email brings along a lot of garbage after the
message. Most annoying for one or two line messages.
When this group forms and I hope it will, I would like to see who's
out there, what equipment they have, how they got started, their
specific interests..etc. Program announcements, tips and techniques
etc. will make this group very worthwhile.
Thanks to Richard for starting this discussion and good luck!
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%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%cook@pinocchio.Encore.COM (Dale C. Cook) (09/22/89)
[chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) recently posted that: | |Just to back up this point for people who aren't sure of the concept. SWLers |are non-interactive users -- there is no microphone or transmitter. Hams, on |the other hand, have transmitters and create broadcasts rather than simply |listen in. | It's a nit, of course, but there are SWL's who DX the ham bands, logging stations heard and asking them for confirmation cards (I've gotten several, particularly from the (former?) iron curtain countries.) |There is a lot of overlap between the two hobbies, but a lot of difference |as well, in equipment, interests, philosophies and politics (I'm tired, |frankly, of being told I could grow up to become a ham if I just stopped |being lazy about learning code -- I don't *want* to learn code and I don't |*want* to be a ham. Some hams feel SWL is a poor sister to amateur radio; it |isn't -- and this exemplifies one reason why it's time to split swl out into |its own group). | This is, unfortunately, a fair summation of the situation. Just for the records here is one "ham" who still enjoys SWL'ing and insisted on the ability to tune the SW broadcast bands in his last ham receiver purchase. I think rec.swl is a good idea and will find much support on USEnet. - Dale (N1US) Encore Computer Corporation, Marlborough, Mass. INTERNET: cook@encore.com UUCP: {buita || talcott || bellcore} !encore!cook "The more you complain the longer God lets you live."
rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) (09/22/89)
In article <9989@multimax.Encore.COM> cook@encore.com writes:
[someone else writes:]
*want* to be a ham. Some hams feel SWL is a poor sister to amateur radio; it
isn't -- and this exemplifies one reason why it's time to split swl out into
its own group).
This is, unfortunately, a fair summation of the situation. Just for the
records here is one "ham" who still enjoys SWL'ing and insisted on the
ability to tune the SW broadcast bands in his last ham receiver purchase.
I think rec.swl is a good idea and will find much support on USEnet.
Just to expand on this a bit. My impression is that most swl's are
not hams and have no particular interest in becoming hams. For these
people, over 90% of what appears on rec.ham-radio is of no interest
(I'm not making up this number; I looked through the archives of
rec.ham-radio). Consequently they've abandoned this group altogether.
On the other hand, some hams are also swls (see above). The solution
seems clear: those with interest in both hobbies can subscribe to both
groups, those with interest in only one don't have to wade through
loads of (to them) uninteresting articles. Incidentally, this goes
both ways: at least some hams would be delighted to see swl postings
disappear altogether from rec.ham-radio.
I've gotten some very polite, but very patronizing messages from hams
suggesting that a single newsgroup should be used because the
rec.ham-radio environment will help swl's "grow up" to become hams. As
if swl's are somehow not fully developed. This *is* a prevalent
attitude, and it's one of the reasons why so few swl postings see the
light of day on rec.ham-radio.karl@ficc.uu.net (Karl Lehenbauer) (09/22/89)
In article <34938@apple.Apple.COM> chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes: >Silly question, but are rec.arts.wobegon, rec.music.gaffa or >rec.music.bluenote any more self-explanatory [than rec.swl -kl] to the person >who isn't already interested? Er, yes. r.m.gaffa can be clearly seen to have something to do with music, and r.a.wobegon is some kind of rec.arts group. rec.swl doesn't give that extra information by being in a subhierarchy. I guess you don't want it inside the ham-radio distribution, eh? rec.broadcast.swl? rec.radio.swl? I don't know. ...lots of SWL people bursting forth from some misc group or something? -- -- uunet!ficc!karl "The last thing one knows in constructing a work is what to put first." -- Pascal
PEDRO@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Pedro Saizar (614-292-7881)) (09/22/89)
In article <45930@bbn.COM>, rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes: > Comments? I'm all for it! But the name didn't tell me anything either. I think TV and short-wave radio listening are quite different kind of activities even if the physics is the same. I'd be more interested in a group just on radio listening, but you have my vote whatever is proposed. Pedro
chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (09/22/89)
After thinking about feedback overnight, here are my current thoughts on naming: rec.radio.dxing rec.radio.monitoring I still don't think they're perfect, but... (and I *hate* the term dx. Don't ask me why, it's not logical...) >Just to expand on this a bit. My impression is that most swl's are >not hams and have no particular interest in becoming hams. Yup. I have some interest in 2Meter and 10Meter, but not enough to learn code (again. I studied for my novice and was up to 2WPM when I dropped out because it wasn't worth the hassles to me -- I could have finished my novice in about a month if I'd wanted to. This is one reason why I find the code/nocode arguments so amusing and frustrating...) -- Chuq Von Rospach <+> Editor,OtherRealms <+> Member SFWA/ASFA chuq@apple.com <+> CI$: 73317,635 <+> [This is myself speaking. I am not Appl Segmentation Fault. Core dumped.
welty@lewis.crd.ge.com (richard welty) (09/23/89)
In article <34957@apple.Apple.COM>, Chuq Von Rospach writes:
*After thinking about feedback overnight, here are my current thoughts on
*naming:
* rec.radio.dxing
* rec.radio.monitoring
*I still don't think they're perfect, but... (and I *hate* the term dx. Don't
*ask me why, it's not logical...)
here's an alternative -- i've been wanting a general radio group
for some time. create rec.radio; if it's dominated by dx, swl, or
what have you, that's fine, but it would provide a place for other
discussions of radio as well. i'm interested in discussions of
radio station operation, formats, programming, etc. that really
don't fit in to rec.music.* or anywhere else on the net; this
group would provide such a place.
the principle is simply to create the most general group first, and
spawn off the other groups as needed. this is the principle that
should have been followed with rec.models.rc -- rec.models should
have been created first.
as for rec.ham-radio; i suppose we'll just have to leave it where
it is -- a renaming to rec.radio.ham would far to painful to
contemplate.
in summary: create rec.radio; see what traffic develops, and
act accordingly.
richard
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..!crdgw1!lewis.crd.ge.com!welty welty@lewis.crd.ge.comcook@pinocchio.Encore.COM (Dale C. Cook) (09/23/89)
[chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) recently posted that: | |I still don't think they're perfect, but... (and I *hate* the term dx. Don't |ask me why, it's not logical...) | The longer the tradition, the less the logic. The abbreviation of long words (wx = weather, dx = distance) goes way back to telegrapher times. I guess when you're a pioneer you get to choose stuff for future generations. Consider 'ls' and 'pwd'. :-) I still like rec.dx. Nice `n' short! - Dale (N1US) Encore Computer Corporation, Marlborough, Mass. INTERNET: cook@encore.com UUCP: {buita || talcott || bellcore} !encore!cook "The more you complain the longer God lets you live."
s_dowman@leaf.enet.dec.com (Steve Dowman) (09/23/89)
In article <2831476267@lewis.crd.ge.com>, welty@lewis.crd.ge.com (richard welty) writes...
{
{here's an alternative -- i've been wanting a general radio group
{for some time. create rec.radio; if it's dominated by dx, swl, or
{what have you, that's fine, but it would provide a place for other
{discussions of radio as well. i'm interested in discussions of
{radio station operation, formats, programming, etc. that really
{don't fit in to rec.music.* or anywhere else on the net; this
{group would provide such a place.
I believe rec.radio is much too broad for the original intent of forming
the group. I think a broad title like this would attract discussion of
local radio format/programming. Not that this is bad, but I don't think
we want to get bogged down in AM/FM music format discussion. Perhaps
there is interest out there for rec.radio.fm?
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%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%welty@lewis.crd.ge.com (richard welty) (09/23/89)
In article <4918@shlump.nac.dec.com>, Steve Dowman writes:
*In article <2831476267@lewis.crd.ge.com>, welty@lewis.crd.ge.com (richard welty) writes...
*{here's an alternative -- i've been wanting a general radio group
*{for some time. create rec.radio; if it's dominated by dx, swl, or
*{what have you, that's fine, but it would provide a place for other
*{discussions of radio as well.
* I believe rec.radio is much too broad for the original intent of forming
* the group. I think a broad title like this would attract discussion of
* local radio format/programming. Not that this is bad, but I don't think
* we want to get bogged down in AM/FM music format discussion. Perhaps
* there is interest out there for rec.radio.fm?
the point was that we should consider creating general groups before
creating niche groups; otherwise we get oddities like existing
situation with rec.models.rc; there is a place specifically for
discussion of rc models, but any other model-building discussion must
go in rec.misc, despite the fact that there is a rec.models.* hierarchy.
i know that the original charger of rec.models.rc allowed non-rc
discussions, but last time i checked, if you actually tried it you
got massively flamed by the pro-rc modelers in the group.
if a rec.radio group gets bogged down with high volume on a specific
topic, it's time to create the damn subgroup; e.g. rec.radio.swl,
which i would guess is the most likely subgroup.
richard
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..!crdgw1!lewis.crd.ge.com!welty welty@lewis.crd.ge.comstoppani@slough.dec.com (Pete Stoppani) (09/23/89)
You've got my vote. I've been hoping for a long time for such a news group. I don't think there will be a problem with not enough activity. The SWL group on Compuserve does quite well! Pete Stoppani decwrl!slough.enet!stoppani
newsadm@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (System News Administrator) (09/23/89)
In article <Sep.21.16.44.49.1989.24611@NET.BIO.NET> lear@NET.BIO.NET (Eliot Lear) writes:
=>How about rec.short-wave, to help the war against tla's.
If we want to use chuq's idea and include scanners et al into
the group why don't we call it rec.monitoring or some such thing?
Charles
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