spaf@arthur.cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford) (10/01/87)
*** old/altgroups.n Tue Sep 15 11:22:00 1987
--- src/altgroups.n Thu Sep 24 08:08:50 1987
***************
*** 5,7 ****
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 14 September 1987 by spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 5,7 ----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 23 September 1987 by spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 13,16 ****
sites wishing to support them and finding a feed. In general, these
! groups are not carried by the entire network due to their volume and/or
! a restricted sphere of interest.
--- 13,17 ----
sites wishing to support them and finding a feed. In general, these
! groups are not carried by the entire network due to their volume, a
! restricted sphere of interest, or a different set of administrative
! rules and concerns.
***************
*** 36,37 ****
--- 37,41 ----
+ Note that the "uunet" service carries all of these hierarchies. Contact
+ uunet!postmaster for subscription details.
+
Alt
***************
*** 40,42 ****
by a collection of sites that choose to carry them. Many Usenet sites
! are not interested in these groups, usually including the backbone,
although some backbone sites do carry them. There are currently three
--- 44,46 ----
by a collection of sites that choose to carry them. Many Usenet sites
! are not interested in these groups, often including the backbone,
although some backbone sites do carry them. There are currently three
***************
*** 45,47 ****
--- 49,53 ----
alt.config Alternative subnet discussions and connectivity.
+ alt.cyberpunk Alternative interactions among computers and people.
alt.drugs Alternative discussions about drugs, man.
+ alt.flame Alternative, literate, pithy, succinct screaming.
alt.gourmand Alternative recipes, moderated by Brian Reid.
***************
*** 51,57 ****
Submissions to the moderated alt.gourmand group should be mailed to
! reid@decwrl.dec.com.
! Total traffic in the groups is pretty small -- maybe 10-30 messages a
! week. You can join the "alt subnet" by finding a site in your area
! that carries the groups. Either send mail to the administrators of the
sites you connect to, or post something to a local "general" or
--- 57,62 ----
Submissions to the moderated alt.gourmand group should be mailed to
! recipes@decwrl.dec.com (Brian Reid).
! You can join the "alt subnet" by finding a site in your area that
! carries the groups. Either send mail to the administrators of the
sites you connect to, or post something to a local "general" or
***************
*** 59,63 ****
it's "ba.wanted"). If no sites nearby are getting them, you can get
! them from uunet, which is a commercial uucp/Usenet service -- contact
! uunet!rick.
Inet/DDN
--- 64,92 ----
it's "ba.wanted"). If no sites nearby are getting them, you can get
! them from uunet.
+ Bionet
+ ------
+ There is a newsgroup heirarchy for molecular biology called "bionet"
+ originating from BIONET-20.ARPA and carried on a limited number of
+ machines including rutgers, ukma, and one of the machines at UCSD.
+ Contact Rob Liebschutz <usenet@presto.ig.com> for more details. The
+ current newsgroup list looks like this:
+
+ bionet.general General BIONET announcements.
+ bionet.politics Political issues relevant to science.
+ bionet.jobs Scientific Job opportunities.
+ bionet.molbio.news Research news of interest to the community.
+ bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts Requests for information and lab reagents.
+ bionet.molbio.genbank Info about the GenBank Nucleic acid database.
+ bionet.molbio.evolution How genes and proteins have evolved.
+ bionet.molbio.gene-express How genes are regulated in cells.
+ bionet.molbio.gene-org How genes are organized on chromosomes.
+ bionet.molbio.oncogenes Genes that cause cancer.
+ bionet.molbio.plant Molecular biology of plants.
+ bionet.molbio.proteins Research on proteins and protein databases.
+ bionet.molbio.yeast Molecular biology of yeast.
+ bionet.software.pc Info on PC software for scientists.
+ bionet.software.pc.comm Info on PC communications software.
+ bionet.software.contrib Info on programs contributed to BIONET.
+
Inet/DDN
***************
*** 70,73 ****
flowing through the mail (some sites get these groups via UUCP and
! other tranpost mechanisms, but the volume is substantial and load
! significant without a high-speed link). Further details may be
obtained by writing to Erik Fair (fair@ucbarpa.berkeley.edu).
--- 99,102 ----
flowing through the mail (some sites get these groups via UUCP and
! other tranpost mechanisms, but the volume can be substantial and load
! may be significant without a high-speed link). Further details may be
obtained by writing to Erik Fair (fair@ucbarpa.berkeley.edu).
***************
*** 76,79 ****
-------
! A third such hierarchy is the "unix-pc" distribution. This consists
! of groups devoted to users of the AT&T Unix-PC. These groups were
originally exchanged by academic sites with large numbers of AT&T PCs,
--- 105,108 ----
-------
! Another such hierarchy is the "unix-pc" distribution. This consists of
! groups devoted to users of the AT&T Unix-PC. These groups were
originally exchanged by academic sites with large numbers of AT&T PCs,
***************
*** 80,85 ****
but other sites have joined this distribution. To get the newsgroups,
! you need to contact a site already getting them; gatech, psuvax1 and
! ukma all get these groups and the admins there may be willing to help
! find a feed should you desire (and ask nicely). The unix-pc groups
! circulated include:
--- 109,114 ----
but other sites have joined this distribution. To get the newsgroups,
! you need to contact a site already getting them; ihnp4, gatech, psuvax1
! and ukma all get these groups and the admins there may be willing to
! help find a feed should you desire (and ask nicely); uunet also carries
! these groups. The unix-pc groups circulated include:
--
Gene Spafford
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@arthur.cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford) (11/03/87)
*** old/altgroups.n Thu Oct 1 08:35:53 1987
--- src/altgroups.n Wed Oct 21 14:30:22 1987
***************
*** 5,7 ****
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 23 September 1987 by spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 5,7 ----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 21 October 1987 by spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 45,48 ****
are not interested in these groups, often including the backbone,
! although some backbone sites do carry them. There are currently three
! main groups and two administrative:
--- 45,48 ----
are not interested in these groups, often including the backbone,
! although some backbone sites do carry them. Here is a recent list
! of the 'alt" newsgroups:
***************
*** 70,72 ****
originating from BIONET-20.ARPA and carried on a limited number of
! machines including rutgers, ukma, and one of the machines at UCSD.
Contact Rob Liebschutz <usenet@presto.ig.com> for more details. The
--- 70,72 ----
originating from BIONET-20.ARPA and carried on a limited number of
! machines including rutgers, ukma, and all of the machines at UCSD.
Contact Rob Liebschutz <usenet@presto.ig.com> for more details. The
***************
*** 107,114 ****
groups devoted to users of the AT&T Unix-PC. These groups were
! originally exchanged by academic sites with large numbers of AT&T PCs,
! but other sites have joined this distribution. To get the newsgroups,
! you need to contact a site already getting them; ihnp4, gatech, psuvax1
! and ukma all get these groups and the admins there may be willing to
! help find a feed should you desire (and ask nicely); uunet also carries
! these groups. The unix-pc groups circulated include:
--- 107,117 ----
groups devoted to users of the AT&T Unix-PC. These groups were
! originated as a mailing list started by three owners of AT&T Unix PCs:
! Gary Smith, David Dalton and Kathy Vincent. As the list expanded, it
! turned into a newsgroup hierarchy, and more and more sites began to
! carry the groups; hundreds of sites now carry these groups. To recieve
! them, you need to contact a site already getting them; ihnp4, gatech,
! psuvax1 and ukma are well-known sites getting these groups and the
! admins there may be willing to help find a feed should you desire (and
! ask nicely); uunet also carries these groups. The unix-pc groups
! circulated include:
--
Gene Spafford
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (12/02/87)
*** old/altgroups.n Mon Nov 2 16:15:11 1987
--- src/altgroups.n Fri Nov 20 08:25:14 1987
***************
*** 5,7 ****
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 21 October 1987 by spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 5,7 ----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 20 November 1987 by spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 48,49 ****
--- 48,50 ----
+ alt.aquaria The aquarium & related as a hobby.
alt.config Alternative subnet discussions and connectivity.
***************
*** 53,54 ****
--- 54,56 ----
alt.gourmand Alternative recipes, moderated by Brian Reid.
+ alt.hypertext Discussion of hypertext -- uses, transport, etc.
alt.sources Alternative source code, unmoderated.
***************
*** 70,74 ****
originating from BIONET-20.ARPA and carried on a limited number of
! machines including rutgers, ukma, and all of the machines at UCSD.
! Contact Rob Liebschutz <usenet@presto.ig.com> for more details. The
! current newsgroup list looks like this:
--- 72,76 ----
originating from BIONET-20.ARPA and carried on a limited number of
! machines including rutgers, mit-eddie, ukma, and all of the machines at
! UCSD. Contact Rob Liebschutz <usenet@presto.ig.com> for more details.
! The current newsgroup list looks like this:
***************
*** 112,117 ****
them, you need to contact a site already getting them; ihnp4, gatech,
! psuvax1 and ukma are well-known sites getting these groups and the
! admins there may be willing to help find a feed should you desire (and
! ask nicely); uunet also carries these groups. The unix-pc groups
! circulated include:
--- 114,119 ----
them, you need to contact a site already getting them; ihnp4, gatech,
! mit-eddie, psuvax1, sdcsvax and ukma are well-known sites getting these
! groups and the admins there may be willing to help find a feed should
! you desire (and ask nicely); uunet also carries these groups. The
! unix-pc groups circulated include:
--
Gene Spafford
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (01/02/88)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to this
group, and the version posted a few weeks ago. New users may ignore
this posting -- it is intended to enable experienced users
to track changes to the regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Wed Dec 2 12:39:27 1987
--- src/altgroups.n Fri Jan 1 15:17:05 1988
***************
*** 5,7 ****
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 20 November 1987 by spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 5,7 ----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 31 December 1987 by spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 31,33 ****
! In general, there is is no restriction on getting these groups as long
as you have the capacity to receive, store, and forward the groups;
--- 31,33 ----
! Usually, there is is no restriction on getting these groups as long
as you have the capacity to receive, store, and forward the groups;
***************
*** 72,76 ****
originating from BIONET-20.ARPA and carried on a limited number of
! machines including rutgers, mit-eddie, ukma, and all of the machines at
! UCSD. Contact Rob Liebschutz <usenet@presto.ig.com> for more details.
! The current newsgroup list looks like this:
--- 72,76 ----
originating from BIONET-20.ARPA and carried on a limited number of
! machines including rutgers, phri, mit-eddie, ukma, and all of the
! machines at UCSD. Contact Rob Liebschutz <usenet@presto.ig.com> for
! more details. The current newsgroup list looks like this:
***************
*** 77,84 ****
bionet.general General BIONET announcements.
- bionet.politics Political issues relevant to science.
bionet.jobs Scientific Job opportunities.
! bionet.molbio.news Research news of interest to the community.
! bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts Requests for information and lab reagents.
! bionet.molbio.genbank Info about the GenBank Nucleic acid database.
bionet.molbio.evolution How genes and proteins have evolved.
bionet.molbio.gene-express How genes are regulated in cells.
--- 77,83 ----
bionet.general General BIONET announcements.
bionet.jobs Scientific Job opportunities.
! bionet.molbio.bio-matrix Computer applications to biological databases.
! bionet.molbio.embldatabank Info about the EMBL Nucleic acid database.
bionet.molbio.evolution How genes and proteins have evolved.
+ bionet.molbio.genbank Info about the GenBank Nucleic acid database.
bionet.molbio.gene-express How genes are regulated in cells.
***************
*** 85,86 ****
--- 84,87 ----
bionet.molbio.gene-org How genes are organized on chromosomes.
+ bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts Requests for information and lab reagents.
+ bionet.molbio.news Research news of interest to the community.
bionet.molbio.oncogenes Genes that cause cancer.
***************
*** 88,90 ****
--- 89,94 ----
bionet.molbio.proteins Research on proteins and protein databases.
+ bionet.molbio.seqnet Redistribution of European SEQNET bboard.
bionet.molbio.yeast Molecular biology of yeast.
+ bionet.politics Political issues relevant to science.
+ bionet.software.contrib Info on programs contributed to BIONET.
bionet.software.pc Info on PC software for scientists.
***************
*** 91,93 ****
bionet.software.pc.comm Info on PC communications software.
- bionet.software.contrib Info on programs contributed to BIONET.
--- 95,96 ----
***************
*** 104,105 ****
--- 107,119 ----
obtained by writing to Erik Fair (fair@ucbarpa.berkeley.edu).
+
+ Pubnet
+ ------
+ The "pubnet" distribution is for public-access systems. Current groups
+ include:
+ pubnet.sources pubnet.unix
+ pubnet.config pubnet.wanted
+ pubnet.talk pubnet.sysops
+ Currently, the following sites receive the group, and the system admins
+ there can be contacted for more info or to establish a feed:
+ chinet, ddsw1, gryphon, icus, igloo, killer, qetzal, and tapa.
--
Gene Spafford
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (02/04/88)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to this
group, and the version posted a few weeks ago. New users may ignore
this posting -- it is intended to enable experienced users
to track changes to the regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Fri Jan 1 15:41:12 1988
--- src/altgroups.n Tue Feb 2 23:25:13 1988
***************
*** 5,7 ****
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 31 December 1987 by spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 5,7 ----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 31 January 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 64,68 ****
sites you connect to, or post something to a local "general" or
! "wanted" newsgroup for your area (e.g., in the San Francisco Bay Area,
! it's "ba.wanted"). If no sites nearby are getting them, you can get
! them from uunet.
--- 64,67 ----
sites you connect to, or post something to a local "general" or
! "wanted" newsgroup for your area . If no sites nearby are getting
! them, you can get them from uunet.
***************
*** 110,113 ****
------
! The "pubnet" distribution is for public-access systems. Current groups
! include:
pubnet.sources pubnet.unix
--- 109,112 ----
------
! The "pubnet" distribution is for public-access systems and was originated
! by Bill Wisner. Current groups include:
pubnet.sources pubnet.unix
***************
*** 116,119 ****
Currently, the following sites receive the group, and the system admins
! there can be contacted for more info or to establish a feed:
! chinet, ddsw1, gryphon, icus, igloo, killer, qetzal, and tapa.
--- 115,119 ----
Currently, the following sites receive the group, and the system admins
! there can be contacted for more info or to establish a feed: chinet,
! dasys1, ddsw1, gryphon, icus, igloo, killer, ncoast, netsys, qetzal,
! and tapa.
***************
*** 128,130 ****
them, you need to contact a site already getting them; ihnp4, gatech,
! mit-eddie, psuvax1, sdcsvax and ukma are well-known sites getting these
groups and the admins there may be willing to help find a feed should
--- 128,130 ----
them, you need to contact a site already getting them; ihnp4, gatech,
! mit-eddie, psuvax1, ucsd and ukma are well-known sites getting these
groups and the admins there may be willing to help find a feed should
***************
*** 137,138 ****
--- 137,160 ----
unix-pc.test Test group.
+
+ usrgroup
+ --------
+ The usrgroup hierarchy is sponsored by /usr/group and consists of groups
+ devoted to discussion of topics relating to POSIX/Unix. uunet carries
+ these groups, as do rutgers and ukma.
+
+ usrgroup.distfile Distributed File System extensions.
+ usrgroup.graphics Graphics/windows extensions.
+ usrgroup.internat Internationalization extensions.
+ usrgroup.netinter Network Interface extensions.
+ usrgroup.perfmeas Performance Measurements.
+ usrgroup.realtime Realtime extensions.
+ usrgroup.security Security extensions.
+ usrgroup.supercom Supercomputing extensions.
+ usrgroup.technical General /usr/group Technical Committee discussions.
+
+ Further info on the efforts of /usr/group can be obtained from:
+ /usr/group
+ 4655 Old Ironsides Drive, Suite 200
+ Santa Clara, CA 95054
+ 408-986-8840
--
Gene Spafford
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (03/02/88)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to this
group, and the version posted a few weeks ago. New users may ignore
this posting -- it is intended to enable experienced users
to track changes to the regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Wed Feb 3 18:19:25 1988
--- src/altgroups.n Sun Feb 7 20:05:50 1988
***************
*** 5,7
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 31 January 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 5,7 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 7 February 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 117,119
dasys1, ddsw1, gryphon, icus, igloo, killer, ncoast, netsys, qetzal,
! and tapa.
--- 117,119 -----
dasys1, ddsw1, gryphon, icus, igloo, killer, ncoast, netsys, qetzal,
! mit-eddie and tapa.
***************
*** 142,144
devoted to discussion of topics relating to POSIX/Unix. uunet carries
! these groups, as do rutgers and ukma.
--- 142,144 -----
devoted to discussion of topics relating to POSIX/Unix. uunet carries
! these groups, as do rutgers, mit-eddie and ukma.
--
Gene Spafford
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (04/04/88)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to this
group, and the version posted a few weeks ago. New users may ignore
this posting -- it is intended to enable experienced users
to track changes to the regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Tue Mar 1 20:19:23 1988
--- src/altgroups.n Fri Mar 11 21:18:22 1988
***************
*** 5,7
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 7 February 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 5,7 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 11 March 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 55,56
alt.hypertext Discussion of hypertext -- uses, transport, etc.
alt.sources Alternative source code, unmoderated.
--- 55,57 -----
alt.hypertext Discussion of hypertext -- uses, transport, etc.
+ alt.individualism ??
alt.sources Alternative source code, unmoderated.
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (05/09/88)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to this
group, and the version posted a few weeks ago. New users may ignore
this posting -- it is intended to enable experienced users
to track changes to the regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Sun Apr 3 18:44:47 1988
--- src/altgroups.n Sun May 8 23:21:44 1988
***************
*** 5,7
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 11 March 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 5,7 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 6 May 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 56,57
alt.individualism ??
alt.sources Alternative source code, unmoderated.
--- 56,60 -----
alt.individualism ??
+ alt.rock-n-roll Counterpart to alt.sex and alt.drugs....
+ alt.sca Society for Creative Anachronism
+ alt.sex Postings of a prurient nature.
alt.sources Alternative source code, unmoderated.
***************
*** 96,97
Inet/DDN
--- 99,113 -----
+ Biz
+ ---
+ "Biz" is a distribution of newsgroups that are carried and propagated
+ by sites interested in the world of business products around them -- in
+ particular, computer products and services. This includes product
+ announcements, announcements of fixes and enhancements, product
+ reviews, and postings of demo software. Current biz groups include:
+ biz.config biz.control biz.newgroup
+ biz.test biz.comp.hardware biz.comp.software
+ biz.comp.software.demos biz.comp.services
+ biz.comp.telebit biz.comp.mcs
+ Feeds can be obtained from ddsw1 and spl1, among others.
+
Inet/DDN
***************
*** 128,130
carry the groups; hundreds of sites now carry these groups. To recieve
! them, you need to contact a site already getting them; ihnp4, gatech,
mit-eddie, psuvax1, ucsd and ukma are well-known sites getting these
--- 144,146 -----
carry the groups; hundreds of sites now carry these groups. To recieve
! them, you need to contact a site already getting them; att-ih, gatech,
mit-eddie, psuvax1, ucsd and ukma are well-known sites getting these
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (05/17/88)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to this
group, and the version posted a few weeks ago. New users may ignore
this posting -- it is intended to enable experienced users
to track changes to the regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Sun May 8 23:37:02 1988
--- src/altgroups.n Thu May 12 20:49:43 1988
***************
*** 5,7
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 6 May 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 5,7 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 12 May 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 112,113
Inet/DDN
--- 112,152 -----
+ GNU
+ ---
+ "gnu.all" is a set of newsgroups that are gated bi-directionally
+ with the Internet mailing lists concerned with the GNU Project of the
+ Free Software Foundation. GNU (GNU's Not Unix) will be a complete
+ development of an operating system with freely redistributable source
+ code. The GNU Project is led by Richard Stallman.
+
+ Current groups include:
+
+ Newsgroup Description
+ --------- -----------
+ gnu.announce Status and announcements from the Project (moderated)
+ gnu.config GNU's Not Usenet administration and configuration
+ gnu.test GNU's Not Usenet alternative sub-network testing
+ gnu.emacs Editor/development environment and occasional sources
+ gnu.emacs.bug GNU Emacs bug reports and suggested fixes
+ gnu.emacs.vms Discussion of the VMS port of GNU Emacs
+ gnu.emacs.lisp.manual Working group on the GNU Emacs LISP Programmer's Manual
+ gnu.gdb.bug GNU DeBugger bug reports and suggested fixes
+ gnu.gcc Discussion of the GNU C Compiler
+ gnu.gcc.bug GNU C Compiler bug reports and suggested fixes
+ gnu.g++ Discussion of the GNU C++ Compiler and GDB+ Debugger
+ gnu.g++.bug G++ and GDB+ bug reports and suggested fixes
+ gnu.chess Discussion of the GNU Chess program
+
+ Usenet sites carrying the gnu.all newsgroups include
+ bloom-beacon.mit.edu, bu-cs.bu.edu, decwrl.dec.com, im4u.cs.utexas.edu,
+ mailrus.cc.umich.edu, mandrill.ces.cwru.edu, osu-cis, cs.purdue.edu,
+ rutgers.edu, tut.cis.ohio-state.edu, uccba.uc.edu, and uunet.uu.net, as
+ well as many more. Ask usenet@any of these sites for a feed.
+
+ Questions about GNU can be directed to gnu@prep.ai.mit.edu or:
+ Free Software Foundation, Inc.
+ 675 Mass Ave
+ Cambridge, MA 02139
+ USA
+ +1 (617) 876-3296
+
Inet/DDN
***************
*** 144,146
carry the groups; hundreds of sites now carry these groups. To recieve
! them, you need to contact a site already getting them; att-ih, gatech,
mit-eddie, psuvax1, ucsd and ukma are well-known sites getting these
--- 183,185 -----
carry the groups; hundreds of sites now carry these groups. To recieve
! them, you need to contact a site already getting them; att, gatech,
mit-eddie, psuvax1, ucsd and ukma are well-known sites getting these
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (06/01/88)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to this
group, and the version posted a few weeks ago. New users may ignore
this posting -- it is intended to enable experienced users
to track changes to the regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Tue May 17 11:46:53 1988
--- src/altgroups.n Thu May 19 10:03:48 1988
***************
*** 5,7
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 12 May 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 5,7 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 19 May 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 53,55
alt.flame Alternative, literate, pithy, succinct screaming.
! alt.gourmand Alternative recipes, moderated by Brian Reid.
alt.hypertext Discussion of hypertext -- uses, transport, etc.
--- 53,55 -----
alt.flame Alternative, literate, pithy, succinct screaming.
! alt.gourmand Recipes & cooking info. (Moderated)
alt.hypertext Discussion of hypertext -- uses, transport, etc.
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (07/27/88)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to this
group, and the version posted a few weeks ago. New users may ignore
this posting -- it is intended to enable experienced users
to track changes to the regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Wed Jun 1 01:29:02 1988
--- src/altgroups.n Tue Jul 26 17:02:59 1988
***************
*** 2,3
Expires: 21days
Approved: spaf@purdue.EDU
--- 2,5 -----
Expires: 21days
+ Summary: describes the following alternate hierarchies: alt, bionet, biz,
+ gnu, inet/ddn, pubnet, unix-pc
Approved: spaf@purdue.EDU
***************
*** 5,7
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 19 May 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 7,9 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 26 July 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 44,47
by a collection of sites that choose to carry them. Many Usenet sites
! are not interested in these groups, often including the backbone,
! although some backbone sites do carry them. Here is a recent list
of the 'alt" newsgroups:
--- 46,48 -----
by a collection of sites that choose to carry them. Many Usenet sites
! are not interested in these groups. Here is a recent list
of the 'alt" newsgroups:
***************
*** 56,57
alt.individualism ??
alt.rock-n-roll Counterpart to alt.sex and alt.drugs....
--- 57,59 -----
alt.individualism ??
+ alt.recovery ??
alt.rock-n-roll Counterpart to alt.sex and alt.drugs....
***************
*** 193,216
unix-pc.test Test group.
-
- usrgroup
- --------
- The usrgroup hierarchy is sponsored by /usr/group and consists of groups
- devoted to discussion of topics relating to POSIX/Unix. uunet carries
- these groups, as do rutgers, mit-eddie and ukma.
-
- usrgroup.distfile Distributed File System extensions.
- usrgroup.graphics Graphics/windows extensions.
- usrgroup.internat Internationalization extensions.
- usrgroup.netinter Network Interface extensions.
- usrgroup.perfmeas Performance Measurements.
- usrgroup.realtime Realtime extensions.
- usrgroup.security Security extensions.
- usrgroup.supercom Supercomputing extensions.
- usrgroup.technical General /usr/group Technical Committee discussions.
-
- Further info on the efforts of /usr/group can be obtained from:
- /usr/group
- 4655 Old Ironsides Drive, Suite 200
- Santa Clara, CA 95054
- 408-986-8840
--- 195,196 -----
unix-pc.test Test group.
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (08/18/88)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to this
group, and the version posted a few weeks ago. New users may ignore
this posting -- it is intended to enable experienced users
to track changes to the regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Tue Jul 26 19:56:07 1988
--- src/altgroups.n Wed Aug 17 23:03:56 1988
***************
*** 7,9
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 26 July 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 7,9 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 17 August 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 39,42
! Note that the "uunet" service carries all of these hierarchies. Contact
! uunet!postmaster for subscription details.
--- 39,42 -----
! Note that the "uunet" service carries all of these hierarchies.
! Contact uunet!postmaster for subscription details.
***************
*** 42,43
Alt
--- 42,49 -----
+ Also note -- the lists in this article are totally unofficial and
+ possibly incomplete or inaccurate. I try to keep the lists up-to-date,
+ but make no guarantee that any of the information contained corresponds
+ with the named groups in any significant way. Corrections and comments
+ should be mailed directly to me.
+
Alt
***************
*** 53,54
alt.drugs Alternative discussions about drugs, man.
alt.flame Alternative, literate, pithy, succinct screaming.
--- 59,61 -----
alt.drugs Alternative discussions about drugs, man.
+ alt.emusic Electronic music discussions?
alt.flame Alternative, literate, pithy, succinct screaming.
***************
*** 55,56
alt.gourmand Recipes & cooking info. (Moderated)
alt.hypertext Discussion of hypertext -- uses, transport, etc.
--- 62,64 -----
alt.gourmand Recipes & cooking info. (Moderated)
+ alt.great-lakes ??
alt.hypertext Discussion of hypertext -- uses, transport, etc.
***************
*** 57,59
alt.individualism ??
! alt.recovery ??
alt.rock-n-roll Counterpart to alt.sex and alt.drugs....
--- 65,67 -----
alt.individualism ??
! alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
alt.rock-n-roll Counterpart to alt.sex and alt.drugs....
***************
*** 61,62
alt.sex Postings of a prurient nature.
alt.sources Alternative source code, unmoderated.
--- 69,71 -----
alt.sex Postings of a prurient nature.
+ alt.slack Posting relating to the Church of the Subgenius.
alt.sources Alternative source code, unmoderated.
***************
*** 62,63
alt.sources Alternative source code, unmoderated.
alt.test Alternative subnetwork testing.
--- 71,73 -----
alt.sources Alternative source code, unmoderated.
+ alt.sources.amiga Technically-oriented Amiga PC sources. (Moderated)
alt.test Alternative subnetwork testing.
***************
*** 78,80
machines including rutgers, phri, mit-eddie, ukma, and all of the
! machines at UCSD. Contact Rob Liebschutz <usenet@presto.ig.com> for
more details. The current newsgroup list looks like this:
--- 88,90 -----
machines including rutgers, phri, mit-eddie, ukma, and all of the
! machines at UCSD. Contact Eliot Lear <usenet@net.bio.net> for
more details. The current newsgroup list looks like this:
***************
*** 92,93
bionet.molbio.oncogenes Genes that cause cancer.
bionet.molbio.plant Molecular biology of plants.
--- 102,104 -----
bionet.molbio.oncogenes Genes that cause cancer.
+ bionet.molbio.pir The PIR protein sequencing database.
bionet.molbio.plant Molecular biology of plants.
***************
*** 95,96
bionet.molbio.seqnet Redistribution of European SEQNET bboard.
bionet.molbio.yeast Molecular biology of yeast.
--- 106,108 -----
bionet.molbio.seqnet Redistribution of European SEQNET bboard.
+ bionet.molbio.swiss-prot Discussions on the Swiss Protein database.
bionet.molbio.yeast Molecular biology of yeast.
***************
*** 97,98
bionet.politics Political issues relevant to science.
bionet.software.contrib Info on programs contributed to BIONET.
--- 109,111 -----
bionet.politics Political issues relevant to science.
+ bionet.sci-resources Info on funding agencies & programs.
bionet.software.contrib Info on programs contributed to BIONET.
***************
*** 139,140
gnu.chess Discussion of the GNU Chess program
--- 152,154 -----
gnu.chess Discussion of the GNU Chess program
+ gnu.utils.bug Discussion of bugs in GNU utility programs (e.g., gnumake)
***************
*** 165,166
Pubnet
--- 179,235 -----
+ Current inet groups are:
+ comp.ai.edu Applications of Artificial Intelligence to Education.
+ comp.ai.vision Artifical Intelligence Vision Research. (Moderated)
+ comp.arch.parallel-sym Parallel symbolic computing.
+ comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel Hyperchannel networks within an IP network.
+ comp.dcom.lans.v2lni Proteon Pronet/V2LNI Ring networks.
+ comp.editors Topics related to computerized text editing.
+ comp.edu.composition Writing instruction in computer-based classrooms.
+ comp.lang.asm370 Programming in IBM System/370 Assembly Language.
+ comp.lang.clu The CLU language & related topics. (Moderated)
+ comp.lang.forth.mac The CSI MacForth programming environment.
+ comp.lang.icon Topics related to the ICON programming language.
+ comp.lang.idl IBL (Interface Description Language) related topics.
+ comp.lang.lisp.franz The Franz Lisp programming language.
+ comp.lang.lisp.x The XLISP language system.
+ comp.lang.rexx The REXX command langauge.
+ comp.lang.scheme.c The Scheme language environment.
+ comp.lang.visual Visual programming languages.
+ comp.lsi.cad Electrical Computer Aided Design.
+ comp.mail.multi-media Multimedia Mail.
+ comp.music Applications of computers in music research.
+ comp.os.aos Topics related to Data General's AOS/VS.
+ comp.os.cpm.amethyst Discussion of Amethyst, CP/M-80 software package.
+ comp.os.rsts Topics related to the PDP-11 RSTS/E operating system.
+ comp.os.v The V distributed operating system from Stanford.
+ comp.periphs.printers Information on printers.
+ comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ The ISO Development Environment.
+ comp.protocols.iso.x400 X400 mail protocol discussions. (Moderated)
+ comp.protocols.iso.x400.gateway X400 mail gateway discussions. (Moderated)
+ comp.protocols.pcnet Topics related to PCNET (a personal computer network).
+ comp.protocols.pup The Xerox PUP network protocols.
+ comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains Topics related to Domain Style names.
+ comp.sys.cdc Control Data Corporation Computers (e.g., Cybers).
+ comp.sys.handhelds Handheld computers and programmable calculators.
+ comp.sys.ibm.pc.net The IBM PC Token Ring.
+ comp.sys.intel.ipsc310 Anything related to Xenix on an Intel 310.
+ comp.sys.northstar Northstar microcomputer users.
+ comp.sys.super Supercomputers.
+ comp.sys.ti.explorer The Texas Instruments Explorer.
+ comp.sys.zenith Heath terminals and related Zenith products.
+ comp.terminals.bitgraph The BB&N BitGraph Terminal.
+ comp.terminals.tty5620 AT&T Dot Mapped Display Terminals (5620 and BLIT).
+ comp.theory Theoretical Computer Science.
+ comp.theory.cell-automata Discussion of all aspects of cellular automata.
+ comp.theory.dynamic-sys Ergodic Theory and Dynamical Systems.
+ comp.theory.self-org-sys Topics related to self-organization.
+ comp.unix.cray Cray computers and their operating systems.
+ news.software.nntp The Network News Transfer Protocol.
+ rec.games.vectrex The Vectrex game system.
+ rec.mag.fsfnet A Science Fiction "fanzine." (Moderated)
+ sci.bio.technology Any topic relating to biotechnology.
+ sci.math.num-analysis Numerical Analysis.
+ sci.philosophy.meta Discussions within the scope of "MetaPhilosophy."
+ soc.culture.esperanto The neutral international language Esperanto.
+
Pubnet
***************
*** 169,173
by Bill Wisner. Current groups include:
! pubnet.sources pubnet.unix
! pubnet.config pubnet.wanted
! pubnet.talk pubnet.sysops
Currently, the following sites receive the group, and the system admins
--- 238,246 -----
by Bill Wisner. Current groups include:
! pubnet.config Pubnet connectivity discussions.
! pubnet.nixpub The "nixpub" list of public access UNIXes.
! pubnet.sources Software of interest to BBS users and sysops.
! pubnet.talk Miscellaneous BBS talk.
! pubnet.test Pubnet subnet testing.
! pubnet.wanted "Wanted" messages with a limited audience.
! pubnet.sysops Discussions between sysops of BBS systems.
Currently, the following sites receive the group, and the system admins
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (09/12/88)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to this
group, and the version posted a few weeks ago. New users may ignore
this posting -- it is intended to enable experienced users
to track changes to the regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Wed Aug 17 23:08:41 1988
--- src/altgroups.n Sun Sep 11 21:11:08 1988
***************
*** 1,3
Newsgroups: news.lists,news.groups,news.announce.newusers
! Expires: 21days
Summary: describes the following alternate hierarchies: alt, bionet, biz,
--- 1,3 -----
Newsgroups: news.lists,news.groups,news.announce.newusers
! Expires: 90days
Summary: describes the following alternate hierarchies: alt, bionet, biz,
***************
*** 7,9
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 17 August 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 7,9 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 11 September 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 56,57
alt.aquaria The aquarium & related as a hobby.
alt.config Alternative subnet discussions and connectivity.
--- 56,58 -----
alt.aquaria The aquarium & related as a hobby.
+ alt.california Discussion of the state and the state of mind.
alt.config Alternative subnet discussions and connectivity.
***************
*** 57,61
alt.config Alternative subnet discussions and connectivity.
! alt.cyberpunk Alternative interactions among computers and people.
! alt.drugs Alternative discussions about drugs, man.
! alt.emusic Electronic music discussions?
alt.flame Alternative, literate, pithy, succinct screaming.
--- 58,63 -----
alt.config Alternative subnet discussions and connectivity.
! alt.cult-movies Movies with a cult following (e.g., Rocky Horror PS)
! alt.cyberpunk High-tech low-life.
! alt.drugs Recreational pharmaceuticals and related flames.
! alt.emusic Exotic music discussions.
alt.flame Alternative, literate, pithy, succinct screaming.
***************
*** 62,64
alt.gourmand Recipes & cooking info. (Moderated)
! alt.great-lakes ??
alt.hypertext Discussion of hypertext -- uses, transport, etc.
--- 64,66 -----
alt.gourmand Recipes & cooking info. (Moderated)
! alt.great-lakes Discussions of the Great Lakes and adjacent places.
alt.hypertext Discussion of hypertext -- uses, transport, etc.
***************
*** 64,66
alt.hypertext Discussion of hypertext -- uses, transport, etc.
! alt.individualism ??
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
--- 66,69 -----
alt.hypertext Discussion of hypertext -- uses, transport, etc.
! alt.individualism Philosophies where individual rights are paramount.
! alt.misc Whatever is left over.
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
***************
*** 66,67
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
alt.rock-n-roll Counterpart to alt.sex and alt.drugs....
--- 69,71 -----
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
+ alt.rhode-island Discussion of the great little state.
alt.rock-n-roll Counterpart to alt.sex and alt.drugs....
***************
*** 70,72
alt.slack Posting relating to the Church of the Subgenius.
! alt.sources Alternative source code, unmoderated.
alt.sources.amiga Technically-oriented Amiga PC sources. (Moderated)
--- 74,76 -----
alt.slack Posting relating to the Church of the Subgenius.
! alt.sources Alternative source code, unmoderated. Caveat Emptor.
alt.sources.amiga Technically-oriented Amiga PC sources. (Moderated)
***************
*** 77,78
You can join the "alt subnet" by finding a site in your area that
--- 81,85 -----
+ Submissions to the moderated Amiga sources group should be mailed to
+ amiga-sources@sugar.uu.net
+
You can join the "alt subnet" by finding a site in your area that
***************
*** 129,135
---
! "gnu.all" is a set of newsgroups that are gated bi-directionally
! with the Internet mailing lists concerned with the GNU Project of the
! Free Software Foundation. GNU (GNU's Not Unix) will be a complete
! development of an operating system with freely redistributable source
! code. The GNU Project is led by Richard Stallman.
--- 136,142 -----
---
! "gnu.all" is a set of newsgroups that are gated bi-directionally with
! the DoD/NSF Internet mailing lists concerned with the GNU Project of
! the Free Software Foundation. GNU (GNU's Not Unix) will be a complete
! operating system with freely redistributable source code. The GNU
! Project is led by Richard Stallman.
***************
*** 139,141
--------- -----------
! gnu.announce Status and announcements from the Project (moderated)
gnu.config GNU's Not Usenet administration and configuration
--- 146,148 -----
--------- -----------
! gnu.announce Status and announcements from the Project. (Moderated)
gnu.config GNU's Not Usenet administration and configuration
***************
*** 238,246
by Bill Wisner. Current groups include:
! pubnet.config Pubnet connectivity discussions.
! pubnet.nixpub The "nixpub" list of public access UNIXes.
! pubnet.sources Software of interest to BBS users and sysops.
! pubnet.talk Miscellaneous BBS talk.
! pubnet.test Pubnet subnet testing.
! pubnet.wanted "Wanted" messages with a limited audience.
! pubnet.sysops Discussions between sysops of BBS systems.
Currently, the following sites receive the group, and the system admins
--- 245,255 -----
by Bill Wisner. Current groups include:
!
! pubnet.config Pubnet connectivity discussions.
! pubnet.nixpub The "nixpub" list of public access UNIXes.
! pubnet.sources Software of interest to BBS users and sysops.
! pubnet.talk Miscellaneous BBS talk.
! pubnet.test Pubnet subnet testing.
! pubnet.wanted "Wanted" messages with a limited audience.
! pubnet.sysops Discussions between sysops of BBS systems.
!
Currently, the following sites receive the group, and the system admins
***************
*** 264,265
unix-pc.general General information and discussion.
--- 273,275 -----
+ unix-pc.bugs Bug reports, fixes & workarounds.
unix-pc.general General information and discussion.
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (10/11/88)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to this
group, and the version posted a few weeks ago. New users may ignore
this posting -- it is intended to enable experienced users
to track changes to the regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Sun Sep 11 21:18:16 1988
--- src/altgroups.n Mon Oct 10 21:36:53 1988
***************
*** 7,9
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 11 September 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 7,9 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 10 October 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 55,56
alt.aquaria The aquarium & related as a hobby.
--- 55,57 -----
+ alt.activism Activities for activists.
alt.aquaria The aquarium & related as a hobby.
***************
*** 69,71
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
! alt.rhode-island Discussion of the great little state.
alt.rock-n-roll Counterpart to alt.sex and alt.drugs....
--- 70,72 -----
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
! alt.rhode_island Discussion of the great little state.
alt.rock-n-roll Counterpart to alt.sex and alt.drugs....
***************
*** 77,78
alt.test Alternative subnetwork testing.
--- 78,80 -----
alt.test Alternative subnetwork testing.
+ alt.weemba Talk & flames about the one & only Weemba.
***************
*** 151,152
gnu.emacs.bug GNU Emacs bug reports and suggested fixes
gnu.emacs.vms Discussion of the VMS port of GNU Emacs
--- 153,155 -----
gnu.emacs.bug GNU Emacs bug reports and suggested fixes
+ gnu.emacs.gnus News reading under GNU Emacs.
gnu.emacs.vms Discussion of the VMS port of GNU Emacs
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (11/13/88)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to the
news.announce.newusers group, and the version posted a few weeks ago.
It is intended to enable experienced users to track changes to the
regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Mon Oct 10 21:55:40 1988
--- src/altgroups.n Sat Nov 12 18:30:12 1988
***************
*** 7,9
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 10 October 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 7,9 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 12 November 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 57,58
alt.aquaria The aquarium & related as a hobby.
alt.california Discussion of the state and the state of mind.
--- 57,59 -----
alt.aquaria The aquarium & related as a hobby.
+ alt.bbs Computer BBS systems & software.
alt.california Discussion of the state and the state of mind.
***************
*** 68,70
alt.individualism Philosophies where individual rights are paramount.
- alt.misc Whatever is left over.
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
--- 69,70 -----
alt.individualism Philosophies where individual rights are paramount.
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
***************
*** 102,103
bionet.jobs Scientific Job opportunities.
bionet.molbio.bio-matrix Computer applications to biological databases.
--- 102,104 -----
bionet.jobs Scientific Job opportunities.
+ bionet.molbio.ageing Cellular and organismal ageing.
bionet.molbio.bio-matrix Computer applications to biological databases.
***************
*** 114,116
bionet.molbio.proteins Research on proteins and protein databases.
- bionet.molbio.seqnet Redistribution of European SEQNET bboard.
bionet.molbio.swiss-prot Discussions on the Swiss Protein database.
--- 115,116 -----
bionet.molbio.proteins Research on proteins and protein databases.
bionet.molbio.swiss-prot Discussions on the Swiss Protein database.
***************
*** 122,123
bionet.software.pc.comm Info on PC communications software.
--- 122,124 -----
bionet.software.pc.comm Info on PC communications software.
+ bionet.technology.conversion Info on biomass and waste treatment.
***************
*** 153,155
gnu.emacs.bug GNU Emacs bug reports and suggested fixes
! gnu.emacs.gnus News reading under GNU Emacs.
gnu.emacs.vms Discussion of the VMS port of GNU Emacs
--- 154,156 -----
gnu.emacs.bug GNU Emacs bug reports and suggested fixes
! gnu.emacs.gnus A GNU Emacs News reader (discussion in English)
gnu.emacs.vms Discussion of the VMS port of GNU Emacs
***************
*** 159,160
gnu.gcc.bug GNU C Compiler bug reports and suggested fixes
gnu.g++ Discussion of the GNU C++ Compiler and GDB+ Debugger
--- 160,162 -----
gnu.gcc.bug GNU C Compiler bug reports and suggested fixes
+ gnu.ghostscript.bug GNU Ghostscript interpreter bugs.
gnu.g++ Discussion of the GNU C++ Compiler and GDB+ Debugger
***************
*** 162,164
gnu.chess Discussion of the GNU Chess program
! gnu.utils.bug Discussion of bugs in GNU utility programs (e.g., gnumake)
--- 164,166 -----
gnu.chess Discussion of the GNU Chess program
! gnu.utils.bug Bugs in GNU utility programs (e.g., gnumake)
***************
*** 164,170
! Usenet sites carrying the gnu.all newsgroups include
! bloom-beacon.mit.edu, bu-cs.bu.edu, decwrl.dec.com, im4u.cs.utexas.edu,
! mailrus.cc.umich.edu, mandrill.ces.cwru.edu, osu-cis, cs.purdue.edu,
! rutgers.edu, tut.cis.ohio-state.edu, uccba.uc.edu, and uunet.uu.net, as
! well as many more. Ask usenet@any of these sites for a feed.
--- 166,173 -----
! Usenet sites carrying the gnu.all newsgroups include bloom-beacon.mit.edu,
! bu-cs.bu.edu, decwrl.dec.com, cs.utexas.edu, mailrus.cc.umich.edu,
! mandrill.ces.cwru.edu, osu-cis, cs.purdue.edu, rutgers.edu,
! tut.cis.ohio-state.edu, uccba.uc.edu, and uunet.uu.net, and many more. Ask
! usenet@any of these sites for a feed, or send mail to
! gnu.config@cis.ohio-state.edu to find someone who can offer them you.
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (12/04/88)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to the
news.announce.newusers group, and the version posted a few weeks ago.
It is intended to enable experienced users to track changes to the
regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Sat Nov 12 18:50:23 1988
--- src/altgroups.n Sat Dec 3 14:40:21 1988
***************
*** 7,9
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 12 November 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 7,9 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 3 December 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 69,70
alt.individualism Philosophies where individual rights are paramount.
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
--- 69,71 -----
alt.individualism Philosophies where individual rights are paramount.
+ alt.prose Postings of original essays.
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
***************
*** 94,99
------
! There is a newsgroup heirarchy for molecular biology called "bionet"
! originating from BIONET-20.ARPA and carried on a limited number of
! machines including rutgers, phri, mit-eddie, ukma, and all of the
! machines at UCSD. Contact Eliot Lear <usenet@net.bio.net> for
more details. The current newsgroup list looks like this:
--- 95,100 -----
------
! There is a newsgroup heirarchy for topics interesting to biologists
! called "bionet" originating from NET.BIO.NET and carried on a growing
! number of machines including rutgers, phri, mit-eddie, ukma, and all
! of the machines at UCSD. Contact Eliot Lear <usenet@NET.BIO.NET> for
more details. The current newsgroup list looks like this:
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (12/31/88)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to the
news.announce.newusers group, and the version posted a few weeks ago.
It is intended to enable experienced users to track changes to the
regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Sat Dec 3 15:12:51 1988
--- src/altgroups.n Thu Dec 29 18:33:34 1988
***************
*** 7,9
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 3 December 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 7,9 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 29 December 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 40,42
Note that the "uunet" service carries all of these hierarchies.
! Contact uunet!postmaster for subscription details.
--- 40,42 -----
Note that the "uunet" service carries all of these hierarchies.
! Contact uunet!uunet-request for subscription details.
***************
*** 64,65
alt.emusic Exotic music discussions.
alt.flame Alternative, literate, pithy, succinct screaming.
--- 64,66 -----
alt.emusic Exotic music discussions.
+ alt.fishing Fishing as a hobby and sport.
alt.flame Alternative, literate, pithy, succinct screaming.
***************
*** 69,71
alt.individualism Philosophies where individual rights are paramount.
! alt.prose Postings of original essays.
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
--- 70,73 -----
alt.individualism Philosophies where individual rights are paramount.
! alt.prose Postings of original writings, fictional & otherwise.
! alt.prose.d Discussions about postings in alt.prose.
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
***************
*** 95,97
------
! There is a newsgroup heirarchy for topics interesting to biologists
called "bionet" originating from NET.BIO.NET and carried on a growing
--- 97,99 -----
------
! There is a newsgroup hierarchy for topics interesting to biologists
called "bionet" originating from NET.BIO.NET and carried on a growing
***************
*** 118,120
bionet.molbio.yeast Molecular biology of yeast.
- bionet.politics Political issues relevant to science.
bionet.sci-resources Info on funding agencies & programs.
--- 120,121 -----
bionet.molbio.yeast Molecular biology of yeast.
bionet.sci-resources Info on funding agencies & programs.
***************
*** 136,138
biz.comp.telebit biz.comp.mcs
! Feeds can be obtained from ddsw1 and spl1, among others.
--- 137,139 -----
biz.comp.telebit biz.comp.mcs
! Feeds can be obtained from ddsw1, spl1, and telly.on.ca among others.
***************
*** 169,171
bu-cs.bu.edu, decwrl.dec.com, cs.utexas.edu, mailrus.cc.umich.edu,
! mandrill.ces.cwru.edu, osu-cis, cs.purdue.edu, rutgers.edu,
tut.cis.ohio-state.edu, uccba.uc.edu, and uunet.uu.net, and many more. Ask
--- 170,172 -----
bu-cs.bu.edu, decwrl.dec.com, cs.utexas.edu, mailrus.cc.umich.edu,
! mandrill.ces.cwru.edu, osu-cis, cs.purdue.edu, rutgers.edu, telly.on.ca,
tut.cis.ohio-state.edu, uccba.uc.edu, and uunet.uu.net, and many more. Ask
***************
*** 196,198
comp.ai.vision Artifical Intelligence Vision Research. (Moderated)
- comp.arch.parallel-sym Parallel symbolic computing.
comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel Hyperchannel networks within an IP network.
--- 197,198 -----
comp.ai.vision Artifical Intelligence Vision Research. (Moderated)
comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel Hyperchannel networks within an IP network.
***************
*** 227,229
comp.sys.handhelds Handheld computers and programmable calculators.
- comp.sys.ibm.pc.net The IBM PC Token Ring.
comp.sys.intel.ipsc310 Anything related to Xenix on an Intel 310.
--- 227,228 -----
comp.sys.handhelds Handheld computers and programmable calculators.
comp.sys.intel.ipsc310 Anything related to Xenix on an Intel 310.
***************
*** 264,266
dasys1, ddsw1, gryphon, icus, igloo, killer, ncoast, netsys, qetzal,
! mit-eddie and tapa.
--- 263,265 -----
dasys1, ddsw1, gryphon, icus, igloo, killer, ncoast, netsys, qetzal,
! telly, mit-eddie and tapa.
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (01/30/89)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to the
news.announce.newusers group, and the version posted a few weeks ago.
It is intended to enable experienced users to track changes to the
regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Fri Dec 30 12:48:37 1988
--- src/altgroups.n Sun Jan 29 23:49:12 1989
***************
*** 3,5
Summary: describes the following alternate hierarchies: alt, bionet, biz,
! gnu, inet/ddn, pubnet, unix-pc
Approved: spaf@purdue.EDU
--- 3,5 -----
Summary: describes the following alternate hierarchies: alt, bionet, biz,
! gnu, inet/ddn, pubnet, unix-pc, 3b
Approved: spaf@purdue.EDU
***************
*** 7,9
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 29 December 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 7,9 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 29 January 1989 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 64,65
alt.emusic Exotic music discussions.
alt.fishing Fishing as a hobby and sport.
--- 64,66 -----
alt.emusic Exotic music discussions.
+ alt.fax Faxing documents -- protocols, equipment, etc.
alt.fishing Fishing as a hobby and sport.
***************
*** 70,71
alt.individualism Philosophies where individual rights are paramount.
alt.prose Postings of original writings, fictional & otherwise.
--- 71,73 -----
alt.individualism Philosophies where individual rights are paramount.
+ alt.postmodern ??
alt.prose Postings of original writings, fictional & otherwise.
***************
*** 156,158
gnu.emacs.bug GNU Emacs bug reports and suggested fixes
! gnu.emacs.gnus A GNU Emacs News reader (discussion in English)
gnu.emacs.vms Discussion of the VMS port of GNU Emacs
--- 158,160 -----
gnu.emacs.bug GNU Emacs bug reports and suggested fixes
! gnu.emacs.gnus News reading under GNU Emacs using GNUS (in English).
gnu.emacs.vms Discussion of the VMS port of GNU Emacs
***************
*** 285
--- 287,296 -----
+ 3B
+ --
+ Groups dealing with AT&T 3B{2,5,15,20,4000} computers -- everything
+ except for the UNIX PC/3B1. Both uunet and ames carry these groups.
+
+ u3b.config 3B Distribution configuration
+ u3b.misc 3B Miscellaneous Discussions
+ u3b.tech 3B Technical Discussions
+ u3b.test 3B Distribution Testing
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (03/07/89)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to the
news.announce.newusers group, and the version posted a few weeks ago.
It is intended to enable experienced users to track changes to the
regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Mon Jan 30 02:01:59 1989
--- src/altgroups.n Mon Mar 6 23:35:45 1989
***************
*** 3,5
Summary: describes the following alternate hierarchies: alt, bionet, biz,
! gnu, inet/ddn, pubnet, unix-pc, 3b
Approved: spaf@purdue.EDU
--- 3,5 -----
Summary: describes the following alternate hierarchies: alt, bionet, biz,
! gnu, inet/ddn, pubnet, unix-pc, u3b
Approved: spaf@purdue.EDU
***************
*** 7,9
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 29 January 1989 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 7,9 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 6 March 1989 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 59,60
alt.california Discussion of the state and the state of mind.
alt.config Alternative subnet discussions and connectivity.
--- 59,61 -----
alt.california Discussion of the state and the state of mind.
+ alt.co-ops Discussion about co-operatives.
alt.config Alternative subnet discussions and connectivity.
***************
*** 62,63
alt.cyberpunk High-tech low-life.
alt.drugs Recreational pharmaceuticals and related flames.
--- 63,65 -----
alt.cyberpunk High-tech low-life.
+ alt.dev.null The ultimate in moderated newsgroups. (Moderated)
alt.drugs Recreational pharmaceuticals and related flames.
***************
*** 71,73
alt.individualism Philosophies where individual rights are paramount.
! alt.postmodern ??
alt.prose Postings of original writings, fictional & otherwise.
--- 73,75 -----
alt.individualism Philosophies where individual rights are paramount.
! alt.postmodern Postmodernism, semiotics, deconstruction, and the like.
alt.prose Postings of original writings, fictional & otherwise.
***************
*** 163,165
gnu.gcc Discussion of the GNU C Compiler
! gnu.gcc.bug GNU C Compiler bug reports and suggested fixes
gnu.ghostscript.bug GNU Ghostscript interpreter bugs.
--- 165,167 -----
gnu.gcc Discussion of the GNU C Compiler
! gnu.gcc.bug GNU C Compiler bug reports and suggested fixes.
gnu.ghostscript.bug GNU Ghostscript interpreter bugs.
***************
*** 165,168
gnu.ghostscript.bug GNU Ghostscript interpreter bugs.
! gnu.g++ Discussion of the GNU C++ Compiler and GDB+ Debugger
! gnu.g++.bug G++ and GDB+ bug reports and suggested fixes
gnu.chess Discussion of the GNU Chess program
--- 167,171 -----
gnu.ghostscript.bug GNU Ghostscript interpreter bugs.
! gnu.g++ Discussion of the GNU C++ Compiler and GDB+ Debugger.
! gnu.g++.bug G++ and GDB+ bug reports and suggested fixes.
! gnu.g++.lib.bug G++ library bug reports and suggested fixes.
gnu.chess Discussion of the GNU Chess program
***************
*** 287,290
! 3B
! --
Groups dealing with AT&T 3B{2,5,15,20,4000} computers -- everything
--- 290,293 -----
! U3B
! ---
Groups dealing with AT&T 3B{2,5,15,20,4000} computers -- everything
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (04/09/89)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to the
news.announce.newusers group, and the version posted a few weeks ago.
It is intended to enable experienced users to track changes to the
regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Mon Mar 6 23:45:50 1989
--- src/altgroups.n Sat Apr 8 16:47:27 1989
***************
*** 1,3
Newsgroups: news.lists,news.groups,news.announce.newusers
! Expires: 90days
Summary: describes the following alternate hierarchies: alt, bionet, biz,
--- 1,3 -----
Newsgroups: news.lists,news.groups,news.announce.newusers
! Expires: +90days
Summary: describes the following alternate hierarchies: alt, bionet, biz,
***************
*** 7,9
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 6 March 1989 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 7,9 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 7 April 1989 by Gene Spafford <spaf@cs.purdue.edu>]
***************
*** 78,79
alt.rhode_island Discussion of the great little state.
alt.rock-n-roll Counterpart to alt.sex and alt.drugs....
--- 78,81 -----
alt.rhode_island Discussion of the great little state.
+ alt.rissa: For discussing the one and only rissa
+ alt.rmgroup: For the people who like to rmgroup/newgroup things
alt.rock-n-roll Counterpart to alt.sex and alt.drugs....
***************
*** 124,125
bionet.molbio.yeast Molecular biology of yeast.
bionet.sci-resources Info on funding agencies & programs.
--- 126,128 -----
bionet.molbio.yeast Molecular biology of yeast.
+ bionet.population-bio ??
bionet.sci-resources Info on funding agencies & programs.
***************
*** 125,126
bionet.sci-resources Info on funding agencies & programs.
bionet.software.contrib Info on programs contributed to BIONET.
--- 128,130 -----
bionet.sci-resources Info on funding agencies & programs.
+ bionet.software General discussion of software for BIONET.
bionet.software.contrib Info on programs contributed to BIONET.
***************
*** 230,231
comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains Topics related to Domain Style names.
comp.sys.cdc Control Data Corporation Computers (e.g., Cybers).
--- 234,236 -----
comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains Topics related to Domain Style names.
+ comp.soft-sys.andrew The Andrew software system from CMU.
comp.sys.cdc Control Data Corporation Computers (e.g., Cybers).
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (05/15/89)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to the
news.announce.newusers group, and the version posted a few weeks ago.
It is intended to enable experienced users to track changes to the
regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Sat Apr 8 16:50:11 1989
--- src/altgroups.n Sun May 14 22:44:08 1989
***************
*** 7,9
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 7 April 1989 by Gene Spafford <spaf@cs.purdue.edu>]
--- 7,9 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 14 May 1989 by Gene Spafford <spaf@cs.purdue.edu>]
***************
*** 62,63
alt.cult-movies Movies with a cult following (e.g., Rocky Horror PS)
alt.cyberpunk High-tech low-life.
--- 62,64 -----
alt.cult-movies Movies with a cult following (e.g., Rocky Horror PS)
+ alt.cyb-sys Cybernetic systems.
alt.cyberpunk High-tech low-life.
***************
*** 73,74
alt.individualism Philosophies where individual rights are paramount.
alt.postmodern Postmodernism, semiotics, deconstruction, and the like.
--- 74,76 -----
alt.individualism Philosophies where individual rights are paramount.
+ alt.ms.programmer For the serious MS/DOS programmer (no for sale ads).
alt.postmodern Postmodernism, semiotics, deconstruction, and the like.
***************
*** 77,78
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
alt.rhode_island Discussion of the great little state.
--- 79,81 -----
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
+ alt.restaurants Restaurant reviews.
alt.rhode_island Discussion of the great little state.
***************
*** 78,81
alt.rhode_island Discussion of the great little state.
! alt.rissa: For discussing the one and only rissa
! alt.rmgroup: For the people who like to rmgroup/newgroup things
alt.rock-n-roll Counterpart to alt.sex and alt.drugs....
--- 81,84 -----
alt.rhode_island Discussion of the great little state.
! alt.rissa For discussing the one and only rissa
! alt.rmgroup For the people who like to rmgroup/newgroup things
alt.rock-n-roll Counterpart to alt.sex and alt.drugs....
***************
*** 83,84
alt.sex Postings of a prurient nature.
alt.slack Posting relating to the Church of the Subgenius.
--- 86,88 -----
alt.sex Postings of a prurient nature.
+ alt.sex.bondage Postings about dominance/submission.
alt.slack Posting relating to the Church of the Subgenius.
***************
*** 111,112
bionet.jobs Scientific Job opportunities.
bionet.molbio.ageing Cellular and organismal ageing.
--- 115,117 -----
bionet.jobs Scientific Job opportunities.
+ bionet.journals.contents Journal contents.
bionet.molbio.ageing Cellular and organismal ageing.
***************
*** 116,118
bionet.molbio.genbank Info about the GenBank Nucleic acid database.
- bionet.molbio.gene-express How genes are regulated in cells.
bionet.molbio.gene-org How genes are organized on chromosomes.
--- 121,122 -----
bionet.molbio.genbank Info about the GenBank Nucleic acid database.
bionet.molbio.gene-org How genes are organized on chromosomes.
***************
*** 120,122
bionet.molbio.news Research news of interest to the community.
- bionet.molbio.oncogenes Genes that cause cancer.
bionet.molbio.pir The PIR protein sequencing database.
--- 124,125 -----
bionet.molbio.news Research news of interest to the community.
bionet.molbio.pir The PIR protein sequencing database.
***************
*** 122,124
bionet.molbio.pir The PIR protein sequencing database.
- bionet.molbio.plant Molecular biology of plants.
bionet.molbio.proteins Research on proteins and protein databases.
--- 125,126 -----
bionet.molbio.pir The PIR protein sequencing database.
bionet.molbio.proteins Research on proteins and protein databases.
***************
*** 125,127
bionet.molbio.swiss-prot Discussions on the Swiss Protein database.
- bionet.molbio.yeast Molecular biology of yeast.
bionet.population-bio ??
--- 127,128 -----
bionet.molbio.swiss-prot Discussions on the Swiss Protein database.
bionet.population-bio ??
***************
*** 257,258
Pubnet
--- 258,262 -----
+ ddn.mgt-bulletin The DDN Management Bulletin from SRI-NIC.
+ ddn.newsletter The DDN Newsletter from SRI-NIC.
+
Pubnet
***************
*** 299,300
except for the UNIX PC/3B1. Both uunet and ames carry these groups.
--- 303,305 -----
except for the UNIX PC/3B1. Both uunet and ames carry these groups.
+ The groups are "administered" by Len Rose (len@netsys.com).
***************
*** 302,303
u3b.misc 3B Miscellaneous Discussions
u3b.tech 3B Technical Discussions
--- 307,309 -----
u3b.misc 3B Miscellaneous Discussions
+ u3b.sources Sources for AT&T 3 software.
u3b.tech 3B Technical Discussions
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (06/20/89)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to the
news.announce.newusers group, and the version posted a few weeks ago.
It is intended to enable experienced users to track changes to the
regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** old/altgroups.n Sun May 14 22:56:47 1989
--- src/altgroups.n Mon Jun 19 22:30:22 1989
***************
*** 7,9
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 14 May 1989 by Gene Spafford <spaf@cs.purdue.edu>]
--- 7,9 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 19 June 1989 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 74,76
alt.individualism Philosophies where individual rights are paramount.
! alt.ms.programmer For the serious MS/DOS programmer (no for sale ads).
alt.postmodern Postmodernism, semiotics, deconstruction, and the like.
--- 74,76 -----
alt.individualism Philosophies where individual rights are paramount.
! alt.msdos.programmer For the serious MS/DOS programmer (no for sale ads).
alt.postmodern Postmodernism, semiotics, deconstruction, and the like.
***************
*** 142,147
reviews, and postings of demo software. Current biz groups include:
! biz.config biz.control biz.newgroup
! biz.test biz.comp.hardware biz.comp.software
! biz.comp.software.demos biz.comp.services
! biz.comp.telebit biz.comp.mcs
Feeds can be obtained from ddsw1, spl1, and telly.on.ca among others.
--- 142,155 -----
reviews, and postings of demo software. Current biz groups include:
!
! biz.config Biz Usenet configuration and administration
! biz.control Control information and messages
! biz.newgroup ???
! biz.test Biz newsgroup test messages
! biz.comp.hardware ???
! biz.comp.software ???
! biz.comp.software.demos ???
! biz.comp.services ???
! biz.comp.telebit ???
! biz.comp.mcs ???
!
Feeds can be obtained from ddsw1, spl1, and telly.on.ca among others.
***************
*** 161,162
gnu.announce Status and announcements from the Project. (Moderated)
gnu.config GNU's Not Usenet administration and configuration
--- 169,172 -----
gnu.announce Status and announcements from the Project. (Moderated)
+ gnu.bash.bug Bourne Again SHell bug reports and suggested fixes.
+ gnu.chess Discussion of the GNU Chess program
gnu.config GNU's Not Usenet administration and configuration
***************
*** 162,164
gnu.config GNU's Not Usenet administration and configuration
- gnu.test GNU's Not Usenet alternative sub-network testing
gnu.emacs Editor/development environment and occasional sources
--- 172,173 -----
gnu.config GNU's Not Usenet administration and configuration
gnu.emacs Editor/development environment and occasional sources
***************
*** 165,166
gnu.emacs.bug GNU Emacs bug reports and suggested fixes
gnu.emacs.gnus News reading under GNU Emacs using GNUS (in English).
--- 174,176 -----
gnu.emacs.bug GNU Emacs bug reports and suggested fixes
+ gnu.emacs.gnews News reading under GNU Emacs using Weemba's Gnews.
gnu.emacs.gnus News reading under GNU Emacs using GNUS (in English).
***************
*** 166,168
gnu.emacs.gnus News reading under GNU Emacs using GNUS (in English).
- gnu.emacs.vms Discussion of the VMS port of GNU Emacs
gnu.emacs.lisp.manual Working group on the GNU Emacs LISP Programmer's Manual
--- 176,177 -----
gnu.emacs.gnus News reading under GNU Emacs using GNUS (in English).
gnu.emacs.lisp.manual Working group on the GNU Emacs LISP Programmer's Manual
***************
*** 168,173
gnu.emacs.lisp.manual Working group on the GNU Emacs LISP Programmer's Manual
! gnu.gdb.bug GNU DeBugger bug reports and suggested fixes
! gnu.gcc Discussion of the GNU C Compiler
! gnu.gcc.bug GNU C Compiler bug reports and suggested fixes.
! gnu.ghostscript.bug GNU Ghostscript interpreter bugs.
gnu.g++ Discussion of the GNU C++ Compiler and GDB+ Debugger.
--- 177,179 -----
gnu.emacs.lisp.manual Working group on the GNU Emacs LISP Programmer's Manual
! gnu.emacs.vms Discussion of the VMS port of GNU Emacs
gnu.g++ Discussion of the GNU C++ Compiler and GDB+ Debugger.
***************
*** 175,177
gnu.g++.lib.bug G++ library bug reports and suggested fixes.
! gnu.chess Discussion of the GNU Chess program
gnu.utils.bug Bugs in GNU utility programs (e.g., gnumake)
--- 181,187 -----
gnu.g++.lib.bug G++ library bug reports and suggested fixes.
! gnu.gcc Discussion of the GNU C Compiler
! gnu.gcc.bug GNU C Compiler bug reports and suggested fixes.
! gnu.gdb.bug GNU DeBugger bug reports and suggested fixes
! gnu.ghostscript.bug GNU Ghostscript interpreter bugs.
! gnu.test GNU's Not Usenet alternative sub-network testing
gnu.utils.bug Bugs in GNU utility programs (e.g., gnumake)
***************
*** 205,258
Current inet groups are:
! comp.ai.edu Applications of Artificial Intelligence to Education.
! comp.ai.vision Artifical Intelligence Vision Research. (Moderated)
! comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel Hyperchannel networks within an IP network.
! comp.dcom.lans.v2lni Proteon Pronet/V2LNI Ring networks.
! comp.editors Topics related to computerized text editing.
! comp.edu.composition Writing instruction in computer-based classrooms.
! comp.lang.asm370 Programming in IBM System/370 Assembly Language.
! comp.lang.clu The CLU language & related topics. (Moderated)
! comp.lang.forth.mac The CSI MacForth programming environment.
! comp.lang.icon Topics related to the ICON programming language.
! comp.lang.idl IBL (Interface Description Language) related topics.
! comp.lang.lisp.franz The Franz Lisp programming language.
! comp.lang.lisp.x The XLISP language system.
! comp.lang.rexx The REXX command langauge.
! comp.lang.scheme.c The Scheme language environment.
! comp.lang.visual Visual programming languages.
! comp.lsi.cad Electrical Computer Aided Design.
! comp.mail.multi-media Multimedia Mail.
! comp.music Applications of computers in music research.
! comp.os.aos Topics related to Data General's AOS/VS.
! comp.os.cpm.amethyst Discussion of Amethyst, CP/M-80 software package.
! comp.os.rsts Topics related to the PDP-11 RSTS/E operating system.
! comp.os.v The V distributed operating system from Stanford.
! comp.periphs.printers Information on printers.
! comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ The ISO Development Environment.
! comp.protocols.iso.x400 X400 mail protocol discussions. (Moderated)
! comp.protocols.iso.x400.gateway X400 mail gateway discussions. (Moderated)
! comp.protocols.pcnet Topics related to PCNET (a personal computer network).
! comp.protocols.pup The Xerox PUP network protocols.
! comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains Topics related to Domain Style names.
! comp.soft-sys.andrew The Andrew software system from CMU.
! comp.sys.cdc Control Data Corporation Computers (e.g., Cybers).
! comp.sys.handhelds Handheld computers and programmable calculators.
! comp.sys.intel.ipsc310 Anything related to Xenix on an Intel 310.
! comp.sys.northstar Northstar microcomputer users.
! comp.sys.super Supercomputers.
! comp.sys.ti.explorer The Texas Instruments Explorer.
! comp.sys.zenith Heath terminals and related Zenith products.
! comp.terminals.bitgraph The BB&N BitGraph Terminal.
! comp.terminals.tty5620 AT&T Dot Mapped Display Terminals (5620 and BLIT).
! comp.theory Theoretical Computer Science.
! comp.theory.cell-automata Discussion of all aspects of cellular automata.
! comp.theory.dynamic-sys Ergodic Theory and Dynamical Systems.
! comp.theory.self-org-sys Topics related to self-organization.
! comp.unix.cray Cray computers and their operating systems.
! news.software.nntp The Network News Transfer Protocol.
! rec.games.vectrex The Vectrex game system.
! rec.mag.fsfnet A Science Fiction "fanzine." (Moderated)
! sci.bio.technology Any topic relating to biotechnology.
! sci.math.num-analysis Numerical Analysis.
! sci.philosophy.meta Discussions within the scope of "MetaPhilosophy."
! soc.culture.esperanto The neutral international language Esperanto.
--- 215,268 -----
Current inet groups are:
! comp.ai.edu Applications of Artificial Intelligence to Education.
! comp.ai.vision Artifical Intelligence Vision Research. (Moderated)
! comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel Hyperchannel networks within an IP network.
! comp.dcom.lans.v2lni Proteon Pronet/V2LNI Ring networks.
! comp.editors Topics related to computerized text editing.
! comp.edu.composition Writing instruction in computer-based classrooms.
! comp.lang.asm370 Programming in IBM System/370 Assembly Language.
! comp.lang.clu The CLU language & related topics. (Moderated)
! comp.lang.forth.mac The CSI MacForth programming environment.
! comp.lang.icon Topics related to the ICON programming language.
! comp.lang.idl IBL (Interface Description Language) related topics.
! comp.lang.lisp.franz The Franz Lisp programming language.
! comp.lang.lisp.x The XLISP language system.
! comp.lang.rexx The REXX command langauge.
! comp.lang.scheme.c The Scheme language environment.
! comp.lang.visual Visual programming languages.
! comp.lsi.cad Electrical Computer Aided Design.
! comp.mail.multi-media Multimedia Mail.
! comp.music Applications of computers in music research.
! comp.os.aos Topics related to Data General's AOS/VS.
! comp.os.cpm.amethyst Discussion of Amethyst, CP/M-80 software package.
! comp.os.rsts Topics related to the PDP-11 RSTS/E operating system.
! comp.os.v The V distributed operating system from Stanford.
! comp.periphs.printers Information on printers.
! comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ The ISO Development Environment.
! comp.protocols.iso.x400 X400 mail protocol discussions. (Moderated)
! comp.protocols.iso.x400.gateway X400 mail gateway discussions. (Moderated)
! comp.protocols.pcnet Topics related to PCNET (a personal computer network).
! comp.protocols.pup The Xerox PUP network protocols.
! comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains Topics related to Domain Style names.
! comp.soft-sys.andrew The Andrew software system from CMU.
! comp.sys.cdc Control Data Corporation Computers (e.g., Cybers).
! comp.sys.handhelds Handheld computers and programmable calculators.
! comp.sys.intel.ipsc310 Anything related to Xenix on an Intel 310.
! comp.sys.northstar Northstar microcomputer users.
! comp.sys.super Supercomputers.
! comp.sys.ti.explorer The Texas Instruments Explorer.
! comp.sys.zenith Heath terminals and related Zenith products.
! comp.terminals.bitgraph The BB&N BitGraph Terminal.
! comp.terminals.tty5620 AT&T Dot Mapped Display Terminals (5620 and BLIT).
! comp.theory Theoretical Computer Science.
! comp.theory.cell-automata Discussion of all aspects of cellular automata.
! comp.theory.dynamic-sys Ergodic Theory and Dynamical Systems.
! comp.theory.self-org-sys Topics related to self-organization.
! comp.unix.cray Cray computers and their operating systems.
! news.software.nntp The Network News Transfer Protocol.
! rec.games.vectrex The Vectrex game system.
! rec.mag.fsfnet A Science Fiction "fanzine." (Moderated)
! sci.bio.technology Any topic relating to biotechnology.
! sci.math.num-analysis Numerical Analysis.
! sci.philosophy.meta Discussions within the scope of "MetaPhilosophy."
! soc.culture.esperanto The neutral international language Esperanto.
***************
*** 258,261
! ddn.mgt-bulletin The DDN Management Bulletin from SRI-NIC.
! ddn.newsletter The DDN Newsletter from SRI-NIC.
--- 268,271 -----
! ddn.mgt-bulletin The DDN Management Bulletin from SRI-NIC.
! ddn.newsletter The DDN Newsletter from SRI-NIC.
***************
*** 305,310
! u3b.config 3B Distribution configuration
! u3b.misc 3B Miscellaneous Discussions
! u3b.sources Sources for AT&T 3 software.
! u3b.tech 3B Technical Discussions
! u3b.test 3B Distribution Testing
--- 315,321 -----
! u3b.config 3B Distribution configuration
! u3b.misc 3B Miscellaneous Discussions
! u3b.sources Sources for AT&T 3B software.
! u3b.tech 3B Technical Discussions
! u3b.test 3B Distribution Testing
!
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (07/22/89)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to the
news.announce.newusers group, and the version posted a few weeks ago.
It is intended to enable experienced users to track changes to the
regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** /tmp/fo16322 Fri Jul 21 23:13:24 1989
--- /tmp/fo26322 Fri Jul 21 23:13:24 1989
***************
*** 7,9
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 19 June 1989 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 7,9 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 21 Jul 1989 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 61,62
alt.config Alternative subnet discussions and connectivity.
alt.cult-movies Movies with a cult following (e.g., Rocky Horror PS)
--- 61,63 -----
alt.config Alternative subnet discussions and connectivity.
+ alt.cosuard Council of Sysops & Users Against Rate Discrimination.
alt.cult-movies Movies with a cult following (e.g., Rocky Horror PS)
***************
*** 79,81
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
! alt.restaurants Restaurant reviews.
alt.rhode_island Discussion of the great little state.
--- 80,82 -----
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
! alt.restaurants Serious consideration of the art of restauranting.
alt.rhode_island Discussion of the great little state.
***************
*** 127,129
bionet.molbio.swiss-prot Discussions on the Swiss Protein database.
! bionet.population-bio ??
bionet.sci-resources Info on funding agencies & programs.
--- 128,130 -----
bionet.molbio.swiss-prot Discussions on the Swiss Protein database.
! bionet.population-bio Technical discussions about population.
bionet.sci-resources Info on funding agencies & programs.
***************
*** 143,154
! biz.config Biz Usenet configuration and administration
! biz.control Control information and messages
! biz.newgroup ???
! biz.test Biz newsgroup test messages
! biz.comp.hardware ???
! biz.comp.software ???
! biz.comp.software.demos ???
! biz.comp.services ???
! biz.comp.telebit ???
! biz.comp.mcs ???
--- 144,153 -----
! biz.comp.hardware Generic commercial hardware postings.
! biz.comp.services Generic commercial service postings.
! biz.comp.software Generic commercial software postings.
! biz.config Biz Usenet configuration and administration.
! biz.control Control information and messages.
! biz.misc Miscellaneous postings of a commercial nature.
! biz.test Biz newsgroup test messages.
! biz.stolen Postings about stolen mechandise.
***************
*** 154,156
! Feeds can be obtained from ddsw1, spl1, and telly.on.ca among others.
--- 153,157 -----
! Feeds may possibly be obtained from ddsw1.mcs.com,
! osu-cis.cis.ohio-state.edu, husc6.harvard.edu, rutgers.edu, spl1, and
! telly.on.ca among others.
***************
*** 162,164
operating system with freely redistributable source code. The GNU
! Project is led by Richard Stallman.
--- 163,168 -----
operating system with freely redistributable source code. The GNU
! Project is led by Richard Stallman. Note that use of these groups to
! discuss topics considered contrary to GNU aims and political
! philosophy are considered off-limits (e.g., porting of GNU code to
! Apple machines, usefulness of intellectual property laws).
***************
*** 189,191
Usenet sites carrying the gnu.all newsgroups include bloom-beacon.mit.edu,
! bu-cs.bu.edu, decwrl.dec.com, cs.utexas.edu, mailrus.cc.umich.edu,
mandrill.ces.cwru.edu, osu-cis, cs.purdue.edu, rutgers.edu, telly.on.ca,
--- 193,195 -----
Usenet sites carrying the gnu.all newsgroups include bloom-beacon.mit.edu,
! cs.bu.edu, decwrl.dec.com, cs.utexas.edu, mailrus.cc.umich.edu,
mandrill.ces.cwru.edu, osu-cis, cs.purdue.edu, rutgers.edu, telly.on.ca,
***************
*** 216,218
comp.ai.edu Applications of Artificial Intelligence to Education.
! comp.ai.vision Artifical Intelligence Vision Research. (Moderated)
comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel Hyperchannel networks within an IP network.
--- 220,222 -----
comp.ai.edu Applications of Artificial Intelligence to Education.
! comp.ai.vision Artificial Intelligence Vision Research. (Moderated)
comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel Hyperchannel networks within an IP network.
***************
*** 225,227
comp.lang.icon Topics related to the ICON programming language.
! comp.lang.idl IBL (Interface Description Language) related topics.
comp.lang.lisp.franz The Franz Lisp programming language.
--- 229,231 -----
comp.lang.icon Topics related to the ICON programming language.
! comp.lang.idl IDL (Interface Description Language) related topics.
comp.lang.lisp.franz The Franz Lisp programming language.
***************
*** 228,230
comp.lang.lisp.x The XLISP language system.
! comp.lang.rexx The REXX command langauge.
comp.lang.scheme.c The Scheme language environment.
--- 232,234 -----
comp.lang.lisp.x The XLISP language system.
! comp.lang.rexx The REXX command language.
comp.lang.scheme.c The Scheme language environment.
***************
*** 245,247
comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains Topics related to Domain Style names.
! comp.soft-sys.andrew The Andrew software system from CMU.
comp.sys.cdc Control Data Corporation Computers (e.g., Cybers).
--- 249,251 -----
comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains Topics related to Domain Style names.
! comp.soft-sys.andrew The Andrew system from CMU.
comp.sys.cdc Control Data Corporation Computers (e.g., Cybers).
***************
*** 315,321
! u3b.config 3B Distribution configuration
! u3b.misc 3B Miscellaneous Discussions
! u3b.sources Sources for AT&T 3B software.
! u3b.tech 3B Technical Discussions
! u3b.test 3B Distribution Testing
--- 319,326 -----
! u3b.config 3B Distribution configuration.
! u3b.misc 3B Miscellaneous Discussions.
! u3b.sources Sources for AT&T 3B systems.
! u3b.tech 3B Technical Discussions.
! u3b.test 3B Distribution Testing.
!
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafpeter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) (07/23/89)
> operating system with freely redistributable source code. The GNU > ! Project is led by Richard Stallman. Note that use of these groups to > ! discuss topics considered contrary to GNU aims and political > ! philosophy are considered off-limits (e.g., porting of GNU code to > ! Apple machines, usefulness of intellectual property laws). OK, everyone who didn't like sci.skeptic... have at it. This is rather heavy-handed censorship. If Stallman wants a playpen, I think he should use the existing mechanisms: i.e., moderation or mailing lists. I realise that, strictly speaking, gnu.* is not part of UseNet. Still, this is not a good thing. -- Peter da Silva, Xenix Support, Ferranti International Controls Corporation. Business: peter@ficc.uu.net, +1 713 274 5180. | "A char, a short int, and Personal: peter@sugar.hackercorp.com. `-_-' | an int bit-field were walking Quote: Have you hugged your wolf today? 'U` | through the forest..."
charlie@mica.stat.washington.edu (Charlie Geyer) (07/23/89)
In article <5202@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: [quoting something or other, probably from gnu.gcc] >> operating system with freely redistributable source code. The GNU >> ! Project is led by Richard Stallman. Note that use of these groups to >> ! discuss topics considered contrary to GNU aims and political >> ! philosophy are considered off-limits (e.g., porting of GNU code to >> ! Apple machines, usefulness of intellectual property laws). > >OK, everyone who didn't like sci.skeptic... have at it. This is rather >heavy-handed censorship. If Stallman wants a playpen, I think he should >use the existing mechanisms: i.e., moderation or mailing lists. > >I realise that, strictly speaking, gnu.* is not part of UseNet. Still, >this is not a good thing. You're kidding, right? "Strictly speaking, gnu.* is not part of UseNet." But, this fact notwithstanding, they should abide by the Spirit of UseNet, i.e., whatever Peter da Silva thinks UseNet should be. Of course the real UseNet abides by no such rules, but gnu.* should. Right. Whether you agree with Stallman that Apple Computer Corp and their look and feel lawsuit are completely un-American and a threat to the world of computers as we know it, the GNU project does have a right to distribute their mailing lists as they see fit.
sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) (07/23/89)
Peter da Silva (peter@ficc.uu.net) writes:
)) operating system with freely redistributable source code. The GNU
)) ! Project is led by Richard Stallman. Note that use of these groups to
)) ! discuss topics considered contrary to GNU aims and political
)) ! philosophy are considered off-limits (e.g., porting of GNU code to
)) ! Apple machines, usefulness of intellectual property laws).
)
)OK, everyone who didn't like sci.skeptic... have at it. This is rather
)heavy-handed censorship. If Stallman wants a playpen, I think he should
)use the existing mechanisms: i.e., moderation or mailing lists.
Maybe that is how GNU people are. See my signature. The guy who said
it posted a quite brute parody of the GNU manifesto to eunet.general,
and that was his comments to the flames he got. I was one the few to
appreciate it. He told that he tried to post it to some GNU group,
but that the moderator refused the article.
--
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
"Apparently being a gnu adept and having a good sense of humor
are disjunct qualities." - Mart van Stiphoutpeter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) (07/23/89)
In article <1641@uw-entropy.ms.washington.edu>, charlie@mica.stat.washington.edu (Charlie Geyer) writes: > In article <5202@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: > [quoting something or other, probably from gnu.gcc] You could try reading the references line. Or the title. This is from the gnu.* charter as described in the regular "Changes to Alternative Newsgroup Hierarchies" posting. [see <5202@ficc.uu.net> for the rest of it] > You're kidding, right? Wrong. > "Strictly speaking, gnu.* is not part of UseNet." Right. gnu.* just happens to use the same transport medium, machines, news- readers, etc... it rides on the back of Usenet. But strictly speaking it isn't part of it. > But, this fact notwithstanding, they should abide by the > Spirit of UseNet, Yes, I think so. These groups have all the signs of being newsgroups. Not mailing lists... newsgroups. Not a local group, but a global newsgroup. > i.e., whatever Peter da Silva thinks UseNet should be. Well, a quick check shows that I'm not one of the folks that publishes the guidelines. I did run the vote for comp.unix.i386. I do try to develop new guidelines (for example, the use of Single Transferrable Votes to determine newsgroup names), but I don't pretend to any special authority. > Of course the real UseNet abides by no such rules, Let's see... group creation guidelines. Rules for interacting with the Usenet community. Uh, huh. Even *alt* doesn't allow private rantzines. > Whether you agree with Stallman that Apple Computer Corp and their > look and feel lawsuit are completely un-American and a threat to > the world of computers as we know it, I agree, Apple's activities are reprehensible. Stallman's goals are most laudable. His ways and means, however, are only slightly less distressing than Apple's. If he's not sufficiently confident about the rightness of them, he should change them rather than trying to squash any dissenting voice. This change (yes, change) in the gnu.* charter is an example. > the GNU project does have a > right to distribute their mailing lists as they see fit. They're not mailing lists. They are distributed as newsgroups, listed in the alternate newsgroup posting, and show up all over the country wherever people are liberal or careless in their sys files. There is no attempt made to monitor or to control distribution. Mailing lists, on the other hand, are distributed privately, listed as mailing lists, and only show up where explicitly invited. Basically, I think this change is a bad thing. I think it should be discussed in an orderly fashion (i.e. without flaming... you think you can do that?). Perhaps gnu.*, alt.*, and so on should further divorce themselves from UseNet proper. -- Peter da Silva, Xenix Support, Ferranti International Controls Corporation. Business: peter@ficc.uu.net, +1 713 274 5180. | "filling a PEZ dispenser - Personal: peter@sugar.hackercorp.com. `-_-' | it's not just a skill, it's Quote: Have you hugged your wolf today? 'U` | an ART." -- brodie@moocow.UUCP
mike@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Michael I. Bushnell) (07/24/89)
In article <5202@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: >> operating system with freely redistributable source code. The GNU >> ! Project is led by Richard Stallman. Note that use of these groups to >> ! discuss topics considered contrary to GNU aims and political >> ! philosophy are considered off-limits (e.g., porting of GNU code to >> ! Apple machines, usefulness of intellectual property laws). >OK, everyone who didn't like sci.skeptic... have at it. This is rather >heavy-handed censorship. If Stallman wants a playpen, I think he should >use the existing mechanisms: i.e., moderation or mailing lists. > >I realise that, strictly speaking, gnu.* is not part of UseNet. Still, >this is not a good thing. These were originally mailing lists run off prep.ai.mit.edu. Since the number of readers was getting rather high, the prep folks asked the various people getting the mailing lists if they would work together to create a PRIVATE distribution to save load on prep. With the great help of people at Ohio State, this was done, and tut.cis.ohio-state.edu became a bi-directional gateway for gnu.*. Those of you who choose NOT to receive the gnu newsgroups have no more claim to yell "censorship" than you do to complain about the way UNM runs the unm.* newsgroups. They are there for whoever wants to get them. Everyone who gets them tacitly has agreed to abide by the same restrictions the mailing lists originally had. If you don't like that, don't get the newsgroups. That simple. Michael I. Bushnell \ This above all; to thine own self be true LIBERTE, EGALITE, FRATERNITE \ And it must follow, as the night the day, mike@unmvax.cs.unm.edu /\ Thou canst not be false to any man. Telephone: +1 505 292 0001 / \ Farewell: my blessing season this in thee!
karl@dinosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (Karl Kleinpaste) (07/24/89)
mike@unmvax.cs.unm.edu writes:
These were originally mailing lists run off prep.ai.mit.edu. Since
the number of readers was getting rather high, the prep folks asked
the various people getting the mailing lists if they would work
together to create a PRIVATE distribution to save load on prep. With
the great help of people at Ohio State, this was done, and
tut.cis.ohio-state.edu became a bi-directional gateway for gnu.*
This is not too close to what happened, really...
The gnu.* newsgroups are considered to be, even now, echoes of the
still-existing mailing lists. Every gnu.* group, with the exceptions
of gnu.config and gnu.test, has a mailing list equivalent. The GNU
folks did not ask that a newsgroup hierarchy be created; rather, Bob
Sutterfield got inspired in the shower one morning, irritated by the
volume of GNU mail in his personal mailbox, and decided that turning
it into news would be a Good Thing. It was, I understand, with some
difficulty that the GNU folks ultimately accepted the idea In The
Large. RMS still gets all things GNUish as mail, not news.
There is also still some argument going on about continuing the
gateway, because of the _large_ number of misguided, flammable, and
generally distracting postings which manage to creep into all corners
of gnu.*. Where the GNU lists were once strictly technical, "tight,"
and highly informative, now they are cluttered with nonsense that ends
up in the wrong newsgroup (especially bug reports in the higher-level
group), random queries show up everywhere (notwithstanding comments in
almost everything GNUish that gnu@prep.ai.mit.edu is the address for
generic requests), and flame wars show up from time to time, e.g.,
gnu.gcc a couple of months back and I suppose gnu.emacs right now
(though I haven't seen gnu.emacs since early last week).
It has been suggested that a gnu.something-or-other be created in
order to provide a home to the flame wars. This will probably happen,
but it will be most unfortunate; this will encourage the Dark Side of
the character of Usenet, specifically the approval of flaming.
Whenever Usenet grows up (which is to say, never), flaming will stop.
Until then (which is to say, forever), foolish people will post
inappropriate verbage in inappropriate newsgroups at inappropriate
times, ignoring the charter, background, and intent of the gnu.*
hierarchy.
--Karltytso@athena.mit.edu (Theodore Y. Tso) (07/24/89)
In article <5205@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: >They're not mailing lists. > >They are distributed as newsgroups, listed in the alternate newsgroup >posting, and show up all over the country wherever people are liberal or >careless in their sys files. There is no attempt made to monitor or to >control distribution. Like the inet distribution, they are mailing lists which happen to be gatewayed into newsgroups. However, they are still considered mailing lists. This gatewaying was done just for the convenience of people who want to be on the mailing list but find that it is more convenient to read it via a newsreader. >Basically, I think this change is a bad thing. I think it should be discussed >in an orderly fashion (i.e. without flaming... you think you can do that?). >Perhaps gnu.*, alt.*, and so on should further divorce themselves from UseNet >proper. gnu.all and alt.all aren't part of UseNet at all. How can they "further divorce" themselves? Just because some people decided to set up some newsgroups that use the same news software as UseNet does _not_ mean that they are obligated to follow whatever nebulous rules that you might think are imposed on Usenet. In fact, they are perfectly free to set up their own rules, if they please. And it's not true that carelessness will cause them to appear on a site. You have to explicitly put gnu or alt in your sys file. Anybody who puts "all" in their sys file is more than careless; they're criminally stupid and deserve no sympathy. :-) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Theodore Ts'o bloom-beacon!mit-athena!tytso 3 Ames St., Cambridge, MA 02139 tytso@athena.mit.edu Everybody's playing the game, but nobody's rules are the same!
charlie@mica.stat.washington.edu (Charlie Geyer) (07/24/89)
In article <5205@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) says of the gnu.* groups: > They're not mailing lists. > > They are distributed as newsgroups, listed in the alternate newsgroup > posting, and show up all over the country wherever people are liberal or > careless in their sys files. There is no attempt made to monitor or to > control distribution. As other posters have made very clear, they are the GNU project mailing lists, which for the convenience of the rest of us, not for any benefit to the GNU people, are being distributed using the news software. > Basically, I think this change is a bad thing. I think it should be > discussed in an orderly fashion (i.e. without flaming ... you think you > can do that?). I took my cue from you. In the article that started this <5202@ficc.uu.net> you wrote: > OK, everyone who didn't like sci.skeptic ... have at it. This is rather > heavy-handed censorship. If Stallman wants a playpen, I think ... You don't call this flaming? What I said was very mild by comparison. I won't bother to respond point by point to your point by point critique of my last posting, which would get us up to about 200 lines. I do think the guidelines for UseNet are a good thing. However most of them are constantly ignored, just like your postings in this thread ignore the postings in news.announce.newusers especially "A Primer on How to Work With the USENET Community" and "Dear Emily Postnews."
peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) (07/24/89)
In article <237@unmvax.unm.edu>, mike@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Michael I. Bushnell) writes: > Everyone who gets them tacitly has agreed to abide by the same > restrictions the mailing lists originally had. "Hey, you want to get gnu.*" "Dunno, any good?" "Sure, everyone gets them" "OK" Newsgroups don't look like mailing lists, and the gnu groups in particular are widely distributed to people who have no more "tacitly agreed" to any restrictions than the (fictional but typical) conversation above. If they're to be seen as mailing lists, somone at the root has to monitor and control their distribution. -- Peter da Silva, Xenix Support, Ferranti International Controls Corporation. Business: peter@ficc.uu.net, +1 713 274 5180. | "...helping make the world Personal: peter@sugar.hackercorp.com. `-_-' | a quote-free zone..." Quote: Have you hugged your wolf today? 'U` | -- hjm@cernvax.cern.ch
wayne@dsndata.uucp (Wayne Schlitt) (07/24/89)
In article <5202@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: > > > operating system with freely redistributable source code. The GNU > > ! Project is led by Richard Stallman. Note that use of these groups to > > ! discuss topics considered contrary to GNU aims and political > > ! philosophy are considered off-limits (e.g., porting of GNU code to > > ! Apple machines, usefulness of intellectual property laws). > > OK, everyone who didn't like sci.skeptic... have at it. gee. as if we dont have enough flame wars already, you want to start another... > This is rather > heavy-handed censorship. If Stallman wants a playpen, I think he should > use the existing mechanisms: i.e., moderation or mailing lists. umm... most of the gnu.* network _is_ directed into the gnu mailing lists. i dont have any numbers, but i would assume that the mailing lists are very _large_. when you have that large of a mailing list it is more efficient to have a separate hierarchy. > I realise that, strictly speaking, gnu.* is not part of UseNet. Still, > this is not a good thing. yes, you got it. gnu.* is _not_ part of the "regular" usenet. what are you going to complain about next? that the biz.* groups are commercial? that you dont get my local groups? that you dont like the way that the people in nebraska run our ugn.* network? i dont agree with a lot of things that Richard Stallman does and says, but that is irrelevant. the gnu.* groups were set up by the FSF, for FSF uses and i think it is 100% ok for them to put whatever restrictions on their groups that they want. if they change things to the point that i dont like it (which they havent), i will just stop getting the gnu.* groups. *sigh*. -wayne
karl@giza.cis.ohio-state.edu (Karl Kleinpaste) (07/24/89)
peter@ficc.uu.net writes: > But, this fact notwithstanding, they should abide by the > Spirit of UseNet, Yes, I think so. These groups have all the signs of being newsgroups. Not mailing lists... newsgroups. Not a local group, but a global newsgroup. I suggest that this outlook has managed to avoid occasional forays by RMS himself into the attempts to get people to post things to The Right Places, especially bug reports to bug-related groups. The reasoning given typically revolves around the right set of people seeing the right type of mail; the gnu mailing lists are no small items even now, and sending bug reports to the info-* lists is rude and foolish. I don't pretend to any special authority. ... Let's see... group creation guidelines. Rules for interacting with the Usenet community. Uh, huh. I don't have to pretend; I am. There is exactly one group creation guideline: Matching a new newsgroup with a mailing list. That's it. Note carefully the correlation to mailing lists. I didn't ask anyone if they thought it was a good idea to newgroup gnu.bash.bug; I just did it, because Len informed us that Brian Fox was releasing bash to beta test, hence bug-bash was coming to life. I didn't need anyone's permission, because I, as sysadmin of tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (with Bob), *am* permission to do so. Len, Bob, and I do these things. No one else does. Even *alt* doesn't allow private rantzines. gnu.* != alt.*. Thank goodness for small favors. This is not to say that I am especially fond of the politics that are constantly finding their way into the gnu.* groups; I have at times unsubscribed from the entire gnu.* set out of frustration with what happens there. But insofar as the groups have a specified purpose for existence, we who run them can do as we see fit. This change (yes, change) in the gnu.* charter... Peter, this is silly. From the first paragraph in the alternative hierarchies article (the part that _didn't_ change this month): "gnu.all" is a set of newsgroups that are gated bi-directionally with the DoD/NSF Internet mailing lists concerned with the GNU Project of the Free Software Foundation. The fact that they are gatewayed with the lists indicates (rather clearly to me, apparently not so to others; I suppose that is why the textual change was made) that the groups are to be run like the lists. The additional text this month is nothing more than a restatement of the original text. That is, it could have as easily been stated as (originally), "the lists/groups have a purpose." Now (with additional text), "violation of that purpose is considered very impolite." I think the second, additional part is kind of QED, hence redundant. They're not mailing lists. They are distributed as newsgroups, listed in the alternate newsgroup posting, and show up all over the country wherever people are liberal or careless in their sys files. There is no attempt made to monitor or to control distribution. If it's not in your sys file, you don't get it; things land in junk at worst. People who are careless with their news software installation deserve no sympathy. And it has been a while since Bob last sent out a Dist: gnu sendsys, but it has been done from time to time. We are in fact quite interested in the extent of their distribution. It is perhaps unfortunate that Brian Reid's arbitron stats tell us so much about distribution; it has rather hindered our desire to put up with the trouble of using sendsys more often. (Len studiously forwards relevant stuff from the aggregate stats article to Bob and myself as well as a couple of other folks.) The fact that you don't _see_ monitoring or control indicates nothing more than that the monitoring and control are being done well enough that it doesn't intrude on you. -- I think that everyone's brains get scrambled one way or another. --Killashandra Ree
bob@tinman.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bob Sutterfield) (07/24/89)
In article <5205@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: In article <1641@uw-entropy.ms.washington.edu>, charlie@mica.stat.washington.edu (Charlie Geyer) writes: "Strictly speaking, gnu.* is not part of UseNet." Right. gnu.* just happens to use the same transport medium, machines, news-readers, etc... it rides on the back of Usenet. But strictly speaking it isn't part of it. Your statement is mostly correct, but though there's no :-) here it seems there's some sarcasm intended. gnu.* uses existing, convenient, and widely-available technology, that's often also used for the Usenet. "Riding on the back of" something implies an additional burden. Since gnu.* is disjoint from and unrelated to the Usenet, it can't be a burden on the Usenet. If we're going to speak strictly, we ought to speak accurately. If [Stallman]'s not sufficiently confident about the rightness of [his ways and means], he should change them rather than trying to squash any dissenting voice. You're welcome to discuss any alternative ways and means you like. But gnu.* is an inappropriate place for such (hypothetically) neutral discussions, just as it's an inappropriate place for discussions that promote things that will actively hinder GNU. Stallman's not trying to squash anyone's voice, he's just trying to keep the channel clear to get work done on GNU. If you have a project, you're welcome to create a mailing list for your coworkers. You're even welcome to create a newsgroup and gateway it with that mailing list, and offer that newsgroup to anyone who wants it. (That's exactly what happened with info-gnu-*/gnu.*.) That done, would you feel accomodating towards people who are hostile toward your project, yet want to use your project's mailing lists/newsgroups to encourage your downfall? I doubt it... In fact, you'd probably be a little bewildered as to why those folks might have gone to the effort of connecting themselves to your discussion forums in the first place; and if they weren't connected, you'd wonder why they worry about the content of the discussion carried there. Perhaps gnu.*, alt.*, and so on should further divorce themselves from UseNet proper. How can there be a divorce if there was never a marriage?
Horne-Scott@cs.yale.edu (Scott Horne) (07/26/89)
In article <5202@ficc.uu.net>, peter@ficc (Peter da Silva) writes: > > operating system with freely redistributable source code. The GNU > > ! Project is led by Richard Stallman. Note that use of these groups to > > ! discuss topics considered contrary to GNU aims and political > > ! philosophy are considered off-limits (e.g., porting of GNU code to > > ! Apple machines, usefulness of intellectual property laws). > > OK, everyone who didn't like sci.skeptic... have at it. This is rather > heavy-handed censorship. If Stallman wants a playpen, I think he should > use the existing mechanisms: i.e., moderation or mailing lists. Not at all. As we don't want a discussion of baseball in `comp.lang.apl', so we shouldn't want articles about porting GNU code to Apples posted to the GNU groups. However, whether discussion of the usefulness of intellectual-property laws is appropriate in the GNU groups would depend upon the newsgroup(s) used. I'd see nothing wrong with such a discussion in `gnu.philosophy', for instance, even though I support the GNU philosophy. --Scott Scott Horne Hacker-in-Chief, Yale CS Dept Facility horne@cs.Yale.edu ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne Home: 203 789-0877 SnailMail: Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT 06520 Work: 203 432-1260 Summer residence: 175 Dwight St, New Haven, CT Dare I speak for the amorphous gallimaufry of intellectual thought called Yale?
mcb@ncis.tis.llnl.gov (Michael C. Berch) (07/27/89)
[From Usenet document "Alternative Newsgroup Hierarchies":] > operating system with freely redistributable source code. The GNU > ! Project is led by Richard Stallman. Note that use of these groups to > ! discuss topics considered contrary to GNU aims and political > ! philosophy are considered off-limits (e.g., porting of GNU code to > ! Apple machines, usefulness of intellectual property laws). I question the appropriateness of the use of publicly-funded educational and government networks (both on the Internet mailing list side and the gnu.* Usenet side) for organized private political advocacy. To my point of view, this is no different than the Republican or Democratic party sponsoring *and controlling* a newsgroup or mailing list, or the use of newsgroups/mailing lists for private commercial purposes. There is nothing wrong with use of the publicly-funded networks for open discussion of any issue, including political and philosophical issues, but I believe that use of them as a private forum for political advocacy, where opposing viewpoints are suppressed, is contrary to the charter and purpose of those networks and should be considered a gross abuse of privilege. If the "off-limits" material mentioned above is actually suppressed in gnu.misc.discuss (i.e., the charter above is not mere posturing), I propose to make a policy inquiry as to whether the gnu groups may permissibly be carried on federal and other publicly-funded networks (such as the DDN/NSF Internet and regionals, and state educational networks) given the action and intentions of the groups' sponsor. (For those who may read this and wonder why I -- a known libertarian and freedom-of-expression activist -- seem to be taking a position against free expression on the net, it is because the government-funded networks occupy a special place in the community: they are funded by tax revenues and organizational user fees paid by organizations that are tax-funded. It is important that these networks, like the physical facilities of public institutions, not subsidize the private political, commercial, or religious advocacy of various private groups (such as FSF). It is no different than if, for example, the State of California decided to lend its printing presses for free to Operation Rescue to print up an anti-abortion pamphlet.) I would have no objection to FSF sponsoring newsgroups/mailing lists on publicly-funded networks that were merely open forums for the discussion of FSF software, goals, or philosophy. But by stating that contrary political viewpoints or taboo subjects will be "off-limits", FSF has crossed from sponsorship to private advocacy, and that is wrong. -- Michael C. Berch mcb@tis.llnl.gov / uunet!tis.llnl.gov!mcb
dhesi@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Rahul Dhesi) (07/27/89)
In article <323@ncis.tis.llnl.gov> mcb@ncis.tis.llnl.gov (Michael C. Berch) writes: >There is nothing wrong with use of the publicly-funded networks for >open discussion of any issue, including political and philosophical >issues, but I believe that use of them as a private forum for >political advocacy, where opposing viewpoints are suppressed, is >contrary to the charter and purpose of those networks and should be >considered a gross abuse of privilege. I'm in favor of freedom and the free market myself, but I still disagree with the above criticism. I don't know what will and will not be suppressed in gnu.* newsgroups, but it doesn't matter. Criticism can still be expressed in talk.politics.misc, which is where political discussion usually goes. As I understand it, the intent of the gnu hierarchy is to facilitate technical, not political, discussion. On Usenet at least, nothing can be truly suppressed; it can only be moved to a more appropriate newsgroup. -- Rahul Dhesi <dhesi@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> UUCP: ...!{iuvax,pur-ee}!bsu-cs!dhesi
dtynan@altos86.Altos.COM (Dermot Tynan) (07/27/89)
You know, this thread would be amusing if it weren't for the serious
undertones.
Take a look! This is article 100 of 100 on this subject! The main
reason RMS doesn't want certain discussions in GNU.*, is because of the
very, very low SNR (this article is no exception), and very very high
bandwidth. If you follow gnu.*. you'd know that RMS also doesn't
appreciate discussion of GCC for VMS either. This has nothing (read my
lips -- NOTHING) to do with any perceived hatred for DEC (FSF just received
money from OSF). The reason is, it has nothing to do with the main GNU
effort. Try posting articles about MS-DOS in comp.arch, and see how far
your cries of 'freedom of expression' get you! There are over 512 different
newsgroups (at least here at Altos, anyway). Surely there are better
places to discuss the GNU political manifesto, than gnu.gcc???
We've been through this discussion a thousand times, in a hundred different
newsgroups. Nothing has changed. Want to guess how many mail messages
Dr. Tanenbaum gets, from new users who want to know if Minix is in the
public domain? With something as intricate as the GNU copyleft, the
subject of whether or not code produced by GCC can be distributed for
profit, should get the award for most discussed. Every time it comes
up, someone at FSF patiently tries to dispell any misconceptions, and
once again, gnu.gcc gets down to business, until the following week,
when someone has at it again. Is it any wonder that RMS is opposed to
political or non-technical discussion? Give it a rest!!
- Der
--
dtynan@altos86.Altos.COM (408) 946-6700 x4237
Dermot Tynan, Altos Computer Systems, San Jose, CA 95134
"Far and few, far and few, are the lands where the Jumblies live..."mart@ele.tue.nl (Mart van Stiphout) (07/27/89)
In article <323@ncis.tis.llnl.gov> mcb@ncis.tis.llnl.gov (Michael C. Berch) writes: >I would have no objection to FSF sponsoring newsgroups/mailing lists >on publicly-funded networks that were merely open forums for the discussion >of FSF software, goals, or philosophy. But by stating that contrary >political viewpoints or taboo subjects will be "off-limits", FSF has >crossed from sponsorship to private advocacy, and that is wrong. I couldn't agree more. Mart van Stiphout Eindhoven University of Technology Email: mart@euteal.ele.tue.nl ------------------------------- It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop
jbuck@epimass.EPI.COM (Joe Buck) (07/28/89)
In article <323@ncis.tis.llnl.gov> mcb@ncis.tis.llnl.gov (Michael C. Berch) writes: >I question the appropriateness of the use of publicly-funded educational >and government networks (both on the Internet mailing list side and >the gnu.* Usenet side) for organized private political advocacy. Good. Then one thinks you should be in alignment with attempts by RMS and others to discourage political discussion in gnu.emacs and gnu.gcc. These groups are technical; they are devoted to answering questions about, and maintaining, software that is in wide use throughout "publicly funded educational and government networks". Their purpose is not to discuss software property rights or lawsuits. To be consistent, RMS and others should also desist from pro-GNU political flaming, attacks on Apple, etc., on groups other than gnu.misc.discuss. I hope Apple loses that lawsuit too, but if the gnu groups continue to be dominated by Apple-trashing and suppression of people who want to defend the "other side", FSF might suffer considerably. RMS's statement comparing Apple to the Chinese government shooting students was an extremely foolish one, for example. Talk about funding and free rides seems foolish in this case. FSF has saved the government and universities quite a bit of money by providing GNU Emacs to people who would otherwise pay Unipress or CCA hundreds of dollars for it, and has advanced academic computer science considerably by providing a high-quality compiler that students actually get to study the design of. Newsgroup names are keywords only. To say "do not discuss topic X in newsgroup Y" is only censorship if there is no other available forum for such discussion. There are plenty. -- -- Joe Buck jbuck@epimass.epi.com, uunet!epimass.epi.com!jbuck
mcb@ncis.tis.llnl.gov (Michael C. Berch) (07/28/89)
In article <8427@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> dhesi@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Rahul Dhesi) writes: > In <323@ncis.tis.llnl.gov> mcb@ncis.tis.llnl.gov (Michael C. Berch) writes: > >There is nothing wrong with use of the publicly-funded networks for > >open discussion of any issue, including political and philosophical > >issues, but I believe that use of them as a private forum for > >political advocacy, where opposing viewpoints are suppressed, is > >contrary to the charter and purpose of those networks and should be > >considered a gross abuse of privilege. > > I'm in favor of freedom and the free market myself, but I still > disagree with the above criticism. I don't know what will and will not > be suppressed in gnu.* newsgroups, but it doesn't matter. Criticism > can still be expressed in talk.politics.misc, which is where political > discussion usually goes. As I understand it, the intent of the gnu > hierarchy is to facilitate technical, not political, discussion. Precisely so. I have no objection to a complete bar of politics and philosophy from the gnu technical groups. But the charter as previously quoted doesn't say "No politics in the gnu groups"; it says, in effect, "No politics except OUR politics in the gnu groups", and that is not acceptable on a publicly subsidized network. Presumably gnu.misc.discuss was formed to siphon the political and philosophical debates out of gnu.gcc, and that is fine, as long as it is done in an evenhanded, nonexclusive manner. From what I have seen so far in gnu.misc.discuss, this seems to be true. If it becomes otherwise, then I think we have a problem. -- Michael C. Berch mcb@tis.llnl.gov / uunet!tis.llnl.gov!mcb
nate@hobbes.intel.com (Nate Hess) (07/28/89)
In article <1643@uw-entropy.ms.washington.edu>, charlie@mica (Charlie Geyer) writes: >In article <5205@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) says of >the gnu.* groups: >> They're not mailing lists. >> They are distributed as newsgroups, listed in the alternate newsgroup >> posting, and show up all over the country wherever people are liberal or >> careless in their sys files. There is no attempt made to monitor or to >> control distribution. >As other posters have made very clear, they are the GNU project mailing >lists, which for the convenience of the rest of us, not for any benefit >to the GNU people, are being distributed using the news software. Charlie is quite correct, here. I couldn't get gnu.* through the feeds that I had setup at the beginning of the year; I had to go out of my way to find out who had gnu.* feeds, and ask them to supply me with those groups. I don't know of any attempts to "monitor" their distribution, but they do seem to be "controlled" in the same way the alt.* groups are -- you don't get them unless you ask for them. --woodstock -- "What I like is when you're looking and thinking and looking and thinking...and suddenly you wake up." - Hobbes woodstock@hobbes.intel.com ...!{decwrl|hplabs!oliveb}!intelca!mipos3!nate
jeff@aiai.uucp (Jeff Dalton) (07/29/89)
In article <323@ncis.tis.llnl.gov> mcb@ncis.tis.llnl.gov (Michael C. Berch) writes: >I would have no objection to FSF sponsoring newsgroups/mailing lists >on publicly-funded networks that were merely open forums for the discussion >of FSF software, goals, or philosophy. But by stating that contrary >political viewpoints or taboo subjects will be "off-limits", FSF has >crossed from sponsorship to private advocacy, and that is wrong. What do you think about moderated newsgroups in general? Are they never acceptable? Acceptable only if the filter applied to articles isn't political, or what? It may be that you have a reasonable position here, but I'm not sure what it is. However, I think you should also consider the following. No one has said topics contrary to GNU aims and political philosophy are considered off limits on Usenet, only that they shouldn't go in *this* newsgroup. The whole point of newsgroups is to classify articles by topic. So, to me, political categories that don't prevent the articles from being posted in other groups are not objectionable.
fritz@unocss.UUCP (Tim Russell) (07/29/89)
mcb@ncis.tis.llnl.gov (Michael C. Berch) writes: >Precisely so. I have no objection to a complete bar of politics and >philosophy from the gnu technical groups. But the charter as >previously quoted doesn't say "No politics in the gnu groups"; it >says, in effect, "No politics except OUR politics in the gnu groups", >and that is not acceptable on a publicly subsidized network. Yep. As near as I can tell, rms's wonderful message asking people to boycott Apple was posted AFTER this change in the A.N.H. documentation. This to me is definitely a Bad Thing, and was the moving force behind my angered posting. Gnu.misc.discuss is definitely to me a Good Thing, /as long as rms now keeps his boycott messages out of the other gnu groups/. If he doesn't, we're back to square one. The problem with carrying gnu on government networks is not the discussion, it's the fact that rms would like the discussion to contain HIS side only. I really hate this topic, because by arguing against some of rms's methods I come out looking like I'm sympathetic to Apple, and I most emphatically am not. I think they've gotten /way/ too big for their britches. -- ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------------- Tim Russell, Computer Operator | Internet: russell@zeus.unl.edu Campus Computing | Bitnet: russell@unoma1 University of Nebraska at Omaha | UUCP: uunet!zeus.unl.edu!russell
bob@tinman.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bob Sutterfield) (08/02/89)
I'm finally beginning to catch up on gnu.misc.discuss, and a few points ought to be made. As ever, I don't speak for FSF (like almost everyone else here), but I may have a few useful insights (like almost everyone else here seems to think they do too.:-). In article <323@ncis.tis.llnl.gov> mcb@ncis.tis.llnl.gov (Michael C. Berch) writes: [From Usenet document "Alternative Newsgroup Hierarchies":] Note that use of these groups to discuss topics considered contrary to GNU aims and political philosophy are considered off-limits (e.g., porting of GNU code to Apple machines, usefulness of intellectual property laws). I question the appropriateness of the use of publicly-funded educational and government networks for organized private political advocacy. That's a fair question, but I think the preponderance of internet mailing list and newsgroup experience leans toward the "don't worry about it" side. There are lots of private mailing lists providing havens for people holding similar views on issues. The "off-limits" phrase probably refers to social acceptability in a forum, not anything that anyone can actually enforce. Gentle (!) persuasion is about all that's possible, just as on the Usenet. If the "off-limits" material mentioned above is actually suppressed in gnu.misc.discuss (i.e., the charter above is not mere posturing), The charter was the first article posted in the newsgroup, <BOB.89Jul25144028@allosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu>. The only suppression encouraged is that of flaming, tit-for-tat, etc., which would only be the civilized thing to do. I propose to make a policy inquiry as to whether the gnu groups may permissibly be carried on federal and other publicly-funded networks (such as the DDN/NSF Internet and regionals, and state educational networks) given the action and intentions of the groups' sponsor. My understanding of the policy of the NSF sponsors (like Dr. Steven Wolff) has been not to make a policy, on the grounds that if a policy must be made, hardly anyone will like all its implications. But by stating that contrary political viewpoints or taboo subjects will be "off-limits", FSF has crossed from sponsorship to private advocacy, and that is wrong. The authorship of the text in question (from "Alternative Newsgroup Heirarchies") is in question. It apparently did not come from FSF. Therefore, until its origin is clear, please don't attribute such statements to FSF. Still, origin has nothing to do with the appropriateness of private advocacy, which is an entirely different issue. In article <4439@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu> lee@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Greg Lee) writes: From article <12348@altos86.Altos.COM>, by dtynan@altos86.Altos.COM (Dermot Tynan): ... Is it any wonder that RMS is opposed to political or non-technical discussion? Not only RMS, but most of the people working on GNU software and following the GNU mailing lists/newsgroups, are tired of the volume that political discussions generate. It's not a political opposition as much as practical issue. People's mailboxes are full. If the intent is really only to prohibit these sorts of discussions, the statement in "Alternative Newsgroup Hierarchies" is inappropriately worded and ought to be changed. Such a change is under way. In article <325@ncis.tis.llnl.gov> mcb@ncis.tis.llnl.gov (Michael C. Berch) writes: But the charter as previously quoted doesn't say "No politics in the gnu groups"; it says, in effect, "No politics except OUR politics in the gnu groups", and that is not acceptable on a publicly subsidized network. That's not the charter, it's an abbreviated commentary. The aforementioned article in gnu.misc.discuss is the charter of gnu.misc.discuss. The charters of the rest of the groups can be found in emacs/etc/MAILINGLISTS. Presumably gnu.misc.discuss was formed to siphon the political and philosophical debates out of gnu.gcc, and that is fine, as long as it is done in an evenhanded, nonexclusive manner. From what I have seen so far in gnu.misc.discuss, this seems to be true. If it becomes otherwise, then I think we have a problem. There are no technical means in place for such filtering. As with any other unmoderated newsgroup in gnu.* or the Usenet or anywhere else, the only mechanisms are social persuasion. In article <TALE.89Jul27185524@imagine.pawl.rpi.edu> tale@pawl.rpi.edu (David C Lawrence) writes: I have reread the charter for gnu.misc.discuss a few times to see if perhaps I was missing something in it... A good thing to do! :-) ...but I still do not see where it says anywhere, implicitly or explicitly, that only the viewpoints of the FSF will be tolerated in gnu.misc.discuss. Indeed so. ...why should gnu control, for example, be discussed in a group about GNU software? You meant "gun control", right? :-) In article <330@ncis.tis.llnl.gov> mcb@ncis.tis.llnl.gov (Michael C. Berch) writes: You didn't begin reading at the beginning at the thread. This has nothing to do with the charter for gnu.misc.discuss, but rather the change to the document "Alternative Newsgroup Hierarchies" that is periodically posted along with the half-dozen other guides to Usenet. ANH is not authoritative, and should not be referred to as a charter. The gnu.* charters/MAILINGLISTS descriptions should be taken as authoritative. I am informed... By whom? ...that the addtional sentence was written by either Len Tower or Richard Stallman. Since Len asked me whether I wrote it, I suspect he didn't. So far, all of us who might be expected to have had anything to do with it haven't been able to find out where it came from. Spaf is away at a conference or on vacation (or perhaps he has "turned aside" - I Kings 18:27 :-), so he hasn't yet told us its origin, and we're all still in the dark. In article <1168@unocss.UUCP> fritz@unocss.UUCP (Tim Russell) writes: As near as I can tell, rms's wonderful message asking people to boycott Apple was posted AFTER this change in the A.N.H. documentation. This to me is definitely a Bad Thing, and was the moving force behind my angered posting. 1) RMS has held such positions for years, and has been posting such messages for almost as long. 2) RMS almost certainly doesn't read the groups in which ANH appears, so any connection between his statements and ANH would be inferred by the reader. 3) As near as I can tell, RMS didn't write any part of ANH. Again, these are my opinions only. I have no connection with FSF. I don't speak for RMS, Len Tower, or any of FSF, and I'll accept their correction if they decide to offer it. But I thought I'd offer a glimpse of things from my point of view.
allbery@nc386.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) (08/02/89)
I suspect that whoever worded the description of gnu.all either gave a very bad copy of what he/she was told, or disagreed with it. In either case, as a reader of the mailing lists (gnu.all doesn't reach ncoast too much -- yet) it has been rather obvious that RMS and others object to *any* political discussion in gnu.all, whether for or against. They are technical newsgroups, not discussion groups; people read them to find out about GNU software, not to read RMS's latest philosphical proclamation or people's responses to it. ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery, moderator of comp.sources.misc allbery@NCoast.ORG uunet!hal.cwru.edu!ncoast!allbery ncoast!allbery@hal.cwru.edu * This message brought to you courtesy the "Watcher" for the 4th NCoast * "ncoast #4 regenerates into ncoast #5 on 8/6/89!" -- the Watcher (aka nc386)
spaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (09/04/89)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to the
news.announce.newusers group, and the version posted a few weeks ago.
It is intended to enable experienced users to track changes to the
regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** /tmp/fo121222 Sun Sep 3 17:25:23 1989
--- /tmp/fo221222 Sun Sep 3 17:25:23 1989
***************
*** 7,9
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 21 Jul 1989 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 7,9 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 3 Sep 1989 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 58,60
alt.bbs Computer BBS systems & software.
- alt.california Discussion of the state and the state of mind.
alt.co-ops Discussion about co-operatives.
--- 58,59 -----
alt.bbs Computer BBS systems & software.
alt.co-ops Discussion about co-operatives.
***************
*** 71,72
alt.flame Alternative, literate, pithy, succinct screaming.
alt.gourmand Recipes & cooking info. (Moderated)
--- 70,72 -----
alt.flame Alternative, literate, pithy, succinct screaming.
+ alt.gambling Discussions about games of chance (and mischance).
alt.gourmand Recipes & cooking info. (Moderated)
***************
*** 80,81
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
alt.restaurants Serious consideration of the art of restauranting.
--- 80,82 -----
alt.recovery 12-step groups (such as AA, ACA, GA, etc)
+ alt.religion.computers People who believe computing is "real life."
alt.restaurants Serious consideration of the art of restauranting.
***************
*** 83,84
alt.rissa For discussing the one and only rissa
alt.rmgroup For the people who like to rmgroup/newgroup things
--- 84,86 -----
alt.rissa For discussing the one and only rissa
+ alt.romance ??
alt.rmgroup For the people who like to rmgroup/newgroup things
***************
*** 91,92
alt.sources.amiga Technically-oriented Amiga PC sources. (Moderated)
alt.test Alternative subnetwork testing.
--- 93,95 -----
alt.sources.amiga Technically-oriented Amiga PC sources. (Moderated)
+ alt.sources.d Discussion of posted sources.
alt.test Alternative subnetwork testing.
***************
*** 114,115
bionet.general General BIONET announcements.
--- 117,119 -----
+ bionet.agroforestry Discussion of Agroforestry
bionet.general General BIONET announcements.
***************
*** 115,116
bionet.general General BIONET announcements.
bionet.jobs Scientific Job opportunities.
--- 119,121 -----
bionet.general General BIONET announcements.
+ bionet.sci-resources Information about funding agencies, etc.
bionet.jobs Scientific Job opportunities.
***************
*** 116,120
bionet.jobs Scientific Job opportunities.
! bionet.journals.contents Journal contents.
! bionet.molbio.ageing Cellular and organismal ageing.
! bionet.molbio.bio-matrix Computer applications to biological databases.
bionet.molbio.embldatabank Info about the EMBL Nucleic acid database.
--- 121,127 -----
bionet.jobs Scientific Job opportunities.
! bionet.journals.contents Contents of biology journal publications.
! bionet.molbio.ageing Discussions of cellular and organismal ageing.
! bionet.molbio.news Research news of interest to the community.
! bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts Requests for information and lab reagents.
! bionet.molbio.genbank Info about the GenBank Nucleic acid database.
bionet.molbio.embldatabank Info about the EMBL Nucleic acid database.
***************
*** 120,121
bionet.molbio.embldatabank Info about the EMBL Nucleic acid database.
bionet.molbio.evolution How genes and proteins have evolved.
--- 127,130 -----
bionet.molbio.embldatabank Info about the EMBL Nucleic acid database.
+ bionet.molbio.pir Info about the PIR protein sequence database.
+ bionet.molbio.bio-matrix Computer applications to biological databases.
bionet.molbio.evolution How genes and proteins have evolved.
***************
*** 121,123
bionet.molbio.evolution How genes and proteins have evolved.
- bionet.molbio.genbank Info about the GenBank Nucleic acid database.
bionet.molbio.gene-org How genes are organized on chromosomes.
--- 130,131 -----
bionet.molbio.evolution How genes and proteins have evolved.
bionet.molbio.gene-org How genes are organized on chromosomes.
***************
*** 123,127
bionet.molbio.gene-org How genes are organized on chromosomes.
- bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts Requests for information and lab reagents.
- bionet.molbio.news Research news of interest to the community.
- bionet.molbio.pir The PIR protein sequencing database.
bionet.molbio.proteins Research on proteins and protein databases.
--- 131,132 -----
bionet.molbio.gene-org How genes are organized on chromosomes.
bionet.molbio.proteins Research on proteins and protein databases.
***************
*** 127,136
bionet.molbio.proteins Research on proteins and protein databases.
! bionet.molbio.swiss-prot Discussions on the Swiss Protein database.
! bionet.population-bio Technical discussions about population.
! bionet.sci-resources Info on funding agencies & programs.
! bionet.software General discussion of software for BIONET.
! bionet.software.contrib Info on programs contributed to BIONET.
! bionet.software.pc Info on PC software for scientists.
! bionet.software.pc.comm Info on PC communications software.
! bionet.technology.conversion Info on biomass and waste treatment.
--- 132,137 -----
bionet.molbio.proteins Research on proteins and protein databases.
! bionet.molbio.swiss-prot Discussion on the SWISS-PROT Database.
! bionet.population-bio Technical discussions about population biology.
! bionet.software Information about software for biology.
! bionet.technology.conversion Use of techology to convert waste and biomass.
***************
*** 147,148
biz.comp.software Generic commercial software postings.
biz.config Biz Usenet configuration and administration.
--- 148,150 -----
biz.comp.software Generic commercial software postings.
+ biz.comp.telebit Support of the Telebit modem.
biz.config Biz Usenet configuration and administration.
***************
*** 159,168
---
! "gnu.all" is a set of newsgroups that are gated bi-directionally with
! the DoD/NSF Internet mailing lists concerned with the GNU Project of
! the Free Software Foundation. GNU (GNU's Not Unix) will be a complete
! operating system with freely redistributable source code. The GNU
! Project is led by Richard Stallman. Note that use of these groups to
! discuss topics considered contrary to GNU aims and political
! philosophy are considered off-limits (e.g., porting of GNU code to
! Apple machines, usefulness of intellectual property laws).
--- 161,171 -----
---
! gnUSENET (gnUSENET is Not USENET) is a set of newsgroups that are
! gated bi-directionally with the Internet mailing lists about the GNU
! Project of the Free Software Foundation. GNU (GNU's Not Unix) will be
! a complete operating system, including application programs, with
! freely redistributable source code. The GNU Project is led by Richard
! Stallman. Please use ONLY gnu.misc.discuss for discussion of topics
! considered contrary to GNU aims and political philosophy (e.g.,
! porting of GNU code to Apple machines, usefulness of intellectual
! property laws).
***************
*** 174,179
gnu.bash.bug Bourne Again SHell bug reports and suggested fixes.
! gnu.chess Discussion of the GNU Chess program
! gnu.config GNU's Not Usenet administration and configuration
! gnu.emacs Editor/development environment and occasional sources
! gnu.emacs.bug GNU Emacs bug reports and suggested fixes
gnu.emacs.gnews News reading under GNU Emacs using Weemba's Gnews.
--- 177,182 -----
gnu.bash.bug Bourne Again SHell bug reports and suggested fixes.
! gnu.chess Announcements about the GNU Chess program.
! gnu.config GNU's Not Usenet administration and configuration.
! gnu.emacs Editor/development environment and occasional sources.
! gnu.emacs.bug GNU Emacs bug reports and suggested fixes.
gnu.emacs.gnews News reading under GNU Emacs using Weemba's Gnews.
***************
*** 180,184
gnu.emacs.gnus News reading under GNU Emacs using GNUS (in English).
! gnu.emacs.lisp.manual Working group on the GNU Emacs LISP Programmer's Manual
! gnu.emacs.vms Discussion of the VMS port of GNU Emacs
! gnu.g++ Discussion of the GNU C++ Compiler and GDB+ Debugger.
gnu.g++.bug G++ and GDB+ bug reports and suggested fixes.
--- 183,187 -----
gnu.emacs.gnus News reading under GNU Emacs using GNUS (in English).
! gnu.emacs.lisp.manual GNU Emacs LISP Programmer's Manual working group.
! gnu.emacs.vms VMS port of GNU Emacs.
! gnu.g++ Announcements about the GNU C++ Compiler.
gnu.g++.bug G++ and GDB+ bug reports and suggested fixes.
***************
*** 185,187
gnu.g++.lib.bug G++ library bug reports and suggested fixes.
! gnu.gcc Discussion of the GNU C Compiler
gnu.gcc.bug GNU C Compiler bug reports and suggested fixes.
--- 188,190 -----
gnu.g++.lib.bug G++ library bug reports and suggested fixes.
! gnu.gcc Announcements about the GNU C Compiler.
gnu.gcc.bug GNU C Compiler bug reports and suggested fixes.
***************
*** 187,189
gnu.gcc.bug GNU C Compiler bug reports and suggested fixes.
! gnu.gdb.bug GNU DeBugger bug reports and suggested fixes
gnu.ghostscript.bug GNU Ghostscript interpreter bugs.
--- 190,192 -----
gnu.gcc.bug GNU C Compiler bug reports and suggested fixes.
! gnu.gdb.bug GNU C/C++ DeBugger bug reports and suggested fixes.
gnu.ghostscript.bug GNU Ghostscript interpreter bugs.
***************
*** 189,192
gnu.ghostscript.bug GNU Ghostscript interpreter bugs.
! gnu.test GNU's Not Usenet alternative sub-network testing
! gnu.utils.bug Bugs in GNU utility programs (e.g., gnumake)
--- 192,196 -----
gnu.ghostscript.bug GNU Ghostscript interpreter bugs.
! gnu.misc.discuss Serious discussion about GNU and freed software.
! gnu.test GNU's Not Usenet alternative sub-network testing.
! gnu.utils.bug Bugs in GNU utility programs (e.g., gnumake, gawk).
***************
*** 192,194
! Usenet sites carrying the gnu.all newsgroups include bloom-beacon.mit.edu,
cs.bu.edu, decwrl.dec.com, cs.utexas.edu, mailrus.cc.umich.edu,
--- 196,198 -----
! Sites carrying the gnu.all newsgroups include bloom-beacon.mit.edu,
cs.bu.edu, decwrl.dec.com, cs.utexas.edu, mailrus.cc.umich.edu,
***************
*** 194,199
cs.bu.edu, decwrl.dec.com, cs.utexas.edu, mailrus.cc.umich.edu,
! mandrill.ces.cwru.edu, osu-cis, cs.purdue.edu, rutgers.edu, telly.on.ca,
! tut.cis.ohio-state.edu, uccba.uc.edu, and uunet.uu.net, and many more. Ask
! usenet@any of these sites for a feed, or send mail to
! gnu.config@cis.ohio-state.edu to find someone who can offer them you.
--- 198,204 -----
cs.bu.edu, decwrl.dec.com, cs.utexas.edu, mailrus.cc.umich.edu,
! mandrill.ces.cwru.edu, osu-cis, cs.purdue.edu, rutgers.edu,
! telly.on.ca, tut.cis.ohio-state.edu, uccba.uc.edu, and uunet.uu.net,
! and many more. Ask usenet@any of these sites for a feed, or send mail
! to gnu.config@cis.ohio-state.edu to find someone who can offer them to
! you.
***************
*** 272,275
! ddn.mgt-bulletin The DDN Management Bulletin from SRI-NIC.
! ddn.newsletter The DDN Newsletter from SRI-NIC.
--- 277,280 -----
! ddn.mgt-bulletin The DDN Management Bulletin from NIC.DDN.MIL (Moderated)
! ddn.newsletter The DDN Newsletter from NIC.DDN.MIL (Moderated)
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafspaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (10/17/89)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of
the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to the
news.announce.newusers group, and the version posted a few weeks ago.
It is intended to enable experienced users to track changes to the
regularly posted Usenet documents.
*** /tmp/fo123153 Tue Oct 17 00:32:59 1989
--- /tmp/fo223153 Tue Oct 17 00:33:00 1989
***************
*** 7,9
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 3 Sep 1989 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
--- 7,9 -----
Original-from: hoptoad!gnu (John Gilmore) and spaf@purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
! [Most recent change: 16 Oct 1989 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)]
***************
*** 92,94
alt.sources Alternative source code, unmoderated. Caveat Emptor.
! alt.sources.amiga Technically-oriented Amiga PC sources. (Moderated)
alt.sources.d Discussion of posted sources.
--- 92,94 -----
alt.sources Alternative source code, unmoderated. Caveat Emptor.
! alt.sources.amiga Technically-oriented Amiga PC sources.
alt.sources.d Discussion of posted sources.
***************
*** 94,95
alt.sources.d Discussion of posted sources.
alt.test Alternative subnetwork testing.
--- 94,96 -----
alt.sources.d Discussion of posted sources.
+ alt.sys.sun Technical discussion of Sun Microsystem products.
alt.test Alternative subnetwork testing.
***************
*** 100,104
- Submissions to the moderated Amiga sources group should be mailed to
- amiga-sources@sugar.uu.net
-
You can join the "alt subnet" by finding a site in your area that
--- 101,102 -----
You can join the "alt subnet" by finding a site in your area that
***************
*** 254,255
comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains Topics related to Domain Style names.
comp.soft-sys.andrew The Andrew system from CMU.
--- 252,254 -----
comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains Topics related to Domain Style names.
+ comp.security.announce Announcements from the CERT about security. (Moderated)
comp.soft-sys.andrew The Andrew system from CMU.
***************
*** 305,307
turned into a newsgroup hierarchy, and more and more sites began to
! carry the groups; hundreds of sites now carry these groups. To recieve
them, you need to contact a site already getting them; att, gatech,
--- 304,306 -----
turned into a newsgroup hierarchy, and more and more sites began to
! carry the groups; hundreds of sites now carry these groups. To receive
them, you need to contact a site already getting them; att, gatech,
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spaf