hac@ix1.cc.utexas.edu (Alejandro A Hu-Quixote) (10/29/89)
In message <1254@uvaarpa.virginia.edu> randall@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU (Randall Atkinson) writes: > >I am not ignorant about SE Asia or the ASEAN countries nor have I >any particular axe to grind tonight. Are you not ignorant only because you say so? Prove it. > I voted NO to soc.culture.asean >and encourage others to do likewise because SEVERAL reasonable alternative >names were proposed and a strong consensus became clear in the >official discussion period that the name was widely thought to be >a poor choice. Reasonable alternative? A strong consensus? Poor choice? That is only your and a few other's opinion. The majority of the net won't think the same way as you do. There are hundreds of ASEAN citizens who think that soc.culture.asean is the proper choice. Their absence from lobbying in news.groups doesn't give you a permit to speak as if Usenet belonged to you and your friends. I take this opportunity to tell other netters that they should not listen to the misleading "encouragements." Think twice before you vote, whatever your choice may be. Especially to the subscribers of soc.culture.misc, let me tell you in advance that, should the creation of soc.culture.asean stumble, soc.culture.misc will be flooded with endless discussions on ASEAN culture. -- Alex Hu for the creation of a liberal and unbiased soc.culture.asean
randall@uvaarpa.virginia.edu (Randall Atkinson) (10/29/89)
In article <hac.14149@ix1.cc.utexas.edu>, hac@ix1.cc.utexas.edu (Alejandro A Hu-Quixote) writes: >Are you not ignorant only because you say so? Prove it. I mentioned it to point out the absurdity of the ad hominem attacks posted by harish in his posting <13194@orstcs.CS.ORST.EDU>. Your own approach is to again resort to ad hominem attacks rather than disagreement on substantial grounds. >Reasonable alternative? A strong consensus? Poor choice? That is >only your and a few other's opinion. Actually it is the consensus that arose out of the net-wide discussion on the proposal that occurred in news.groups (as per the standard procedure which says that all discussion is to occur in news.groups). Anyone with an unexpired set of postings can grep through the postings and see the consensus develop for themselves. >think the same way as you do. There are hundreds of ASEAN citizens >who think that soc.culture.asean is the proper choice. Their absence >from lobbying in news.groups doesn't give you a permit to speak as >if Usenet belonged to you and your friends. All who felt strongly about the name and other aspects of the proposal should have taken part in the news.groups discussions (especially since there was widespread dissatisfaction with Harish's choice of names and his reasoning). If they chose not to that is fine, but they (and you ) shouldn't be upset that they weren't heard if they didn't speak when they had the chance. I suffer no delusions about how USENET exists and operates. I offer my views and the reasons for those views. If that offends you then that is too bad. It is interesting that you feel qualified to speak on behalf of "hundreds" of other people... >I take this opportunity to tell other netters that they should not >listen to the misleading "encouragements." Think twice before you >vote, whatever your choice may be. Especially to the subscribers of >soc.culture.misc, let me tell you in advance that, should the creation >of soc.culture.asean stumble, soc.culture.misc will be flooded with >endless discussions on ASEAN culture. Discussion of all cultures are welcome in soc.culture.misc. Recently there have been a number of postings about Iran and over the past year there have been postings about various places including cultures in southeast Asia. In fact, though my own unhappiness with the soc.culture.asean proposal is only because of name, many would argue that the best way to start a new group is by using the *.misc groups and demonstrating traffic. In summary, soc.culture.asean is a bad proposal and voters should vote against it on name grounds. In any event, <harish@cs.orst.edu> is the vote collector. Ran randall@virginia.edu