richardb@fear+loathing.UUCP (Richard Brosseau) (10/25/89)
rec.aquaria is a valid name because aquarium keeping IS a hobby. I definately do it as a hobby and NOT as a science. Maybe an examination of my OTHER hobbies is in order : - rock climbing. Rather techincal. If you don't understand the physics you'll probably die. Training is also techincal. But its just a hobby. - photography and darkroom development/printing. Getting to know all those chemicals and photographic papers is also rather techinal. Knowing how to treat the poisonous ones is a bit scientfic. Lighting also. But its just a hobby. - house construction. Again, physical principles apply and so do construction codes and conventions. How many joists per foot at what size is rather technical, but its just a hobby. - cabinetmaking. The physic of different joints in different cicumstances is rather technical. Properties of solid wood construction is a bit scientific. Different type of planer and saws in techincal. Keeping them sharp too. But its just a hobby. - Ceramic tile making/firing. Properties of clay differ according to composition. What temperature to fire. What glazes and how to make them. Can I install an electric kiln for firing in my garage. (Is my insurance paid up?). But its just a hobby. - semi-competative cycling. Buying and maintaining a decent bike. Training;LSD and intervals. Riding in groups. Food intake. Not getting lost. All rather techincal. But its just a hobby. Just goes to show you, most hobbies make use of sound scientific principles. Performing tasks inside the relm of the hobby can also seem quite techical and scientific. But its just a hobby. So cut the bullshit on sci.aquaria. Get a life, or at least not so much a montonic life. Get another hobby. -- Help wipe out sci.aquaria in your lifetime. Richard Brosseau Cognos Inc. decvax!utzoo!dciem!nrcaer!cognos!richardb
BRIDGE@rcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (JOHN BRIDGE) (10/27/89)
Richard B.,
My that was certainly interesting about all your hobbies. Johnreynard@vulpes.COM (R. W. F. Clark) (10/27/89)
In <7308@fear+loathing.UUCP> richardb@fear+loathing (Richard Brosseau) says: >rec.aquaria is a valid name because aquarium keeping IS a hobby. I'm certain my friends who keep a multi-level structure full of dolphins and squids and things like that and sell admission to it will be glad to hear that. >I definately do it as a hobby and NOT as a science. Maybe an >examination of my OTHER hobbies is in order : Oh, thank you. I'd just love to examine your OTHER hobbies. >photography and darkroom development/printing Ah, yes, I'm sure the guys who do the pictures in Life magazine will be glad to hear this is just a hobby. Those suckers actually thought they were *working*, the fools. >house construction I commend you on your choice of hobby activities. To imagine that there are bastards, sponges, parasites who actually make money on this hobby activity. >cabinetmaking >ceramic tile making/firing Well, yes. Did anyone tell you, Richard, that you have excellent taste in hobbies? What do you do for an occupation, collect stamps? fc
evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) (10/27/89)
In article <2341@vulpes.COM> reynard@vulpes.COM (R. W. F. Clark) writes: >I'm certain my friends who keep a multi-level structure full of >dolphins and squids and things like that and sell admission to >it will be glad to hear that. While you're at it, as how many of the people who pay to see 'things like that' do so for scientific purpose. It's an amusement. A recreation. >I commend you on your choice of hobby activities. To imagine >that there are bastards, sponges, parasites who actually make >money on this hobby activity. There are people who make money off EVERY hobby. You don't have to look to far in most cities to find someone who has made a career (or at least a comfortable living) from model trains. That doesn't make it a profession, let alone a sientific pursuit because he has to know about electrical resistance etc. Frankly, I admire people who are able to make a living at their favourite pastimes. Even computer programming. They're not common but they do exist. >Did anyone tell you, Richard, that you have excellent >taste in hobbies? What do you do for an occupation, collect >stamps? Some people make quite a good dollar buying and selling stamps. So what? I know professional photographers who read rec.photo and have no quibble with the name, because they expect to see it there. If there was enough traffic on specifically professional topics, they'd create rec.photo.pro or something like that. The people trying to justify sci.aquaria continue to amaze me with the ever-increasing absurdity of their logic. -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software, located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!attcan!telly!evan If you're smart enough to be a programmer, you're too smart to be a programmer
reynard@vulpes.COM (R. W. F. Clark) (10/28/89)
In <1989Oct27.122817.5028@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) says: [My stuff about critters in tanks in zoos and public aquaria and such deleted] >While you're at it, as how many of the people who pay to see 'things >like that' do so for scientific purposes. >It's an amusement. A recreation. So those marine biologists are just futzing around having a good time? It's nice to know that. Since we're talking about hobbies here, I'll mention a few of mine: Neurosurgery: It's great fun mucking about in brain tissue. I suggest that everyone do the same. I do it, of course, for amusement and recreation. Coal Mining: This is a great recreational activity enjoyed at some time by literally millions of immigrants. Munitions: A long-loved pasttime of mine. There is very little in the world as amusing as finding new uses for thermite; enemas for Richard Brousseau come to mind as possibilities. >The people trying to justify sci.aquaria continue to amaze me with the >ever-increasing absurdity of their logic. What did I say about sci.aquaria in my post? Nothing. I don't even support it, and I think Richard Sexton is an evil fascist. I just thought Brousseau had some mighty great hobby ideas. In fact, I'm going to go build a house for fun and amusement tomorrow. fc --- SEND YOUR "YES" votes on sci.aquaria to richard@gryphon.COM
gwh@sandstorm.Berkeley.EDU (George William Herbert) (10/28/89)
In article <2387@vulpes.COM> reynard@vulpes.COM (R. W. F. Clark) writes: > >Neurosurgery: It's great fun mucking about in brain tissue. > I suggest that everyone do the same. I do it, > of course, for amusement and recreation. > >Coal Mining: This is a great recreational activity enjoyed > at some time by literally millions of immigrants. > >Munitions: A long-loved pasttime of mine. There is very > little in the world as amusing as finding new > uses for thermite; enemas for Richard Brousseau > come to mind as possibilities. > YES? I personally do all sorts of things with munitions, as a hobby. I'm not happy at your satirical characterization above. I will not threaten you, as that is extremely unkind and uncouth, but would like a retraction. **************************************** George William Herbert UCB Naval Architecture Dpt. (my god, even on schedule!) maniac@garnet.berkeley.edu gwh@ocf.berkeley.edu ----------------------------------------
bondc@spdcc.COM (Asmodeus) (10/28/89)
In article <1989Oct28.004107.21449@agate.berkeley.edu> gwh@sandstorm.Berkeley.EDU (George William Herbert) writes: >I personally do all sorts of things with munitions, as a hobby. I'm >not happy at your satirical characterization above. Too bad. You'll get over it, kid. >I will not threaten you, >as that is extremely unkind and uncouth, but would like a retraction. This *is* a threat, of course, and it is meant to be taken as such. At any rate, you apparently would like an enema too, though I seriously doubt that Rob could give a shit what you would like or not like. I also suspect that your 'threat' had him rolling on the floor from hysterical laughter. >George William Herbert UCB Naval Architecture Dpt. Got any new ways to kill gooks? Napalm was so destructive to the environment, after all. Fool. -- "But it goes along with the other crap you write. Brainless mindless tripe that springs odorously from that rancid hunk of garbage on your shoulders." -- Dave Hill
oleg@gryphon.COM (Oleg Kiselev) (10/29/89)
In article <1989Oct27.122817.5028@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes: >It's an amusement. A recreation. So is peering through a telescope at a local observatory after paying your admission fee. >There are people who make money off EVERY hobby. And people will make a hobby of EVERY science (save, perhaps, high energy physics). >someone who has made a career (or at least >a comfortable living) from model trains. That's BUSINESS. Not science. Not recreation. If you wish to call for votes on biz.aquaria, do so in an appropriate group. >Frankly, I admire people who are able to make a living at their >favourite pastimes. Even computer programming. They're not common >but they do exist. Perhaps you are not familiar with the field, then. Most people who I had to work with so far would have been doing programming as a hobby if they did not get paid to do it for a living. Recreational computing is a hobby. That hardly makes computer science not a science. I get a feeling that the majority of people voting NO on sci.aquaria are those who weren't able to keep their goldfish alive when they were 10 and are still so warped by the guilt and resentment that all mention of aquaria as a serious subject causes them to react in a most peculiar way. -- "No regrets, no apologies" Ronald Reagan Oleg Kiselev ARPA: lcc.oleg@seas.ucla.edu, oleg@gryphon.COM (213)337-5230 UUCP: [world]!{ucla-se|gryphon}!lcc!oleg
fr@icdi10.UUCP (Fred Rump from home) (10/29/89)
In article <1989Oct27.122817.5028@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes: >In article <2341@vulpes.COM> reynard@vulpes.COM (R. W. F. Clark) writes: >>Did anyone tell you, Richard, that you have excellent >>taste in hobbies? What do you do for an occupation, collect >>stamps? > >Some people make quite a good dollar buying and selling stamps. So >what? Since this was brought up, are there any other philatelists out there? I just wonder why there is no rec.philately out there. Seems like every other hobby has a group and the poor stamp collectors don't. Are they too busy collecting? fr -- This is my house. My castle will get started right after I finish with news. 26 Warren St. uucp: ...{bpa dsinc uunet}!cdin-1!icdi10!fr Beverly, NJ 08010 domain: fred@cdin-1.uu.net or icdi10!fr@cdin-1.uu.net 609-386-6846 "Freude... Alle Menschen werden Brueder..." - Schiller
gwh@typhoon.Berkeley.EDU (George William Herbert) (10/29/89)
In article <371@ursa-major.SPDCC.COM> bondc@ursa-major.spdcc.COM (Asmodeus) writes: > >>I will not threaten you, >>as that is extremely unkind and uncouth, but would like a retraction. > >This *is* a threat, of course, and it is meant >to be taken as such. At any rate, you apparently >would like an enema too, though I seriously doubt >that Rob could give a shit what you would like >or not like. > >I also suspect that your 'threat' had him rolling >on the floor from hysterical laughter. The above by me was not intended to be a threat. It was written when i was tired and in a foul mood, and if it has been interpreted that way i appologize. >Got any new ways to kill gooks? Napalm was so >destructive to the environment, after all. I do not approve of the use of violence in any normal situation. The implication that i do is undeserved and insulting. >Fool. I may not be perfect. I may not have a great moral basis for having fun with ordinance. But a fool i most certainly am not. And i at least have the forwardness to sign all my postings. **************************************** George William Herbert UCB Naval Architecture Dpt. (my god, even on schedule!) maniac@garnet.berkeley.edu gwh@ocf.berkeley.edu ----------------------------------------
bondc@spdcc.COM (Asmodeus) (10/29/89)
In article <1989Oct29.020940.9331@agate.berkeley.edu> gwh@typhoon.Berkeley.EDU (George William Herbert) writes: >The above by me was not intended to be a threat. It was written >when i was tired and in a foul mood, and if it has been interpreted that >way i appologize. 'I did not mean a canine creature when I used the word 'dog' and if it has been interpreted that way i appologize [sic].' None but the most dimwitted need further interpretation. >I do not approve of the use of violence in any normal situation. >The implication that i do is undeserved and insulting. Oh, *I* see ... all those munitions you're so fond of playing with are just decorations. Of course. So sorry, I should have known. >I may not be perfect. I may not have a great moral basis for having >fun with ordinance. But a fool i most certainly am not. True, a fool you are not. You are too much a child to be a fool yet; I guess that makes you a fool-in-training. Keep it up, you're doing a great job. >And i at least have the forwardness to sign all my postings. Oh, I really can't stand it. Please. Everyone knows exactly who I am. As to the forwardness of signatures, I certainly have *nothing* on a snot-nosed brat who likes to play with guns and signs his articles: >maniac@garnet.berkeley.edu where the uid is the significant operator. Perhaps you'll stick around, G.I. Joe? You might well become too pathetic to stand later, but you're quite humorous now. -- "But it goes along with the other crap you write. Brainless mindless tripe that springs odorously from that rancid hunk of garbage on your shoulders." -- Dave Hill
tjw@unix.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood WA3VQJ) (10/31/89)
In article <476@icdi10.UUCP> fr@icdi10.UUCP (Fred Rump from home) writes: >I just wonder why there is no rec.philately out there. Seems like every other >hobby has a group and the poor stamp collectors don't. Are they too busy >collecting? >fr They send their postings via the mails. -- (UUCP) {decwrl!decvax!idis, allegra, bellcore, cadre}!pitt!cisunx!cisvms!tjw (BITNET) TJW@PITTVMS (or) TJW@PITTUNIX (Internet) tjw%vms.cis.pitt.edu@unix.cis.pitt.edu (CC-Net) CISVMS::TJW (or) 33801::TJW (or) CISUNX::tjw (or) 33802::tjw
jwi@cbnewsj.ATT.COM (Jim Winer @ AT&T, Middletown, NJ) (10/31/89)
In article <21589@gryphon.COM>, oleg@gryphon.COM (Oleg Kiselev) writes: > > I get a feeling that the majority of people voting NO on sci.aquaria are > those who weren't able to keep their goldfish alive when they were 10 and are > still so warped by the guilt and resentment that all mention of aquaria as a > serious subject causes them to react in a most peculiar way. No, Oleg, many of the people who are voting NO on sci.aquaria are those who are irritated at Richard's attempt to walk over anybody who doesn't agree with him. My NO vote is against Richard, regardless of the name he supports. Jim Winer -- The opinions expressed here are not necessarily and do not represent nor in any way imply of any other sane person and especially not employer. "My reply is that such pre-theoretical conceptual essences are often riddled with deep ambiguity and internal incoherence, despite strong convictions people have that they know what they mean." -- Aaron Sloman
hougen@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU (Dean Hougen) (11/01/89)
In article <1724@cbnewsj.ATT.COM> jwi@cbnewsj.ATT.COM (Jim Winer @ AT&T, Middletown, NJ) writes: > >My NO vote is against Richard, regardless of the name he supports. > >Jim Winer Thats just swell. You don't care what you screw up or who you screw it up for. As long as you can irritate somebody who has pissed you off, to hell with the rest of the net. Good attitude. Thanks alot Jim. I sincerely hope that when you go home tonight your psychopathic wife will thrash you within an inch of your life. Dean Hougen -- "If ya dn't eat yer meat, ya can't have any pudding! How can ya have any pudding if ya dn't eat yer meat?" -- Pink Floyd, "Another Brick in the Wall, part 2," The Wall.