fargo@pawl.rpi.edu (Irwin M. Fargo) (10/30/89)
I would like to propose a newsgroup for the purpose of discussing the problems of individuals. To give a better idea of what I am proposing, I'd like to try and create an atmosphere similar to the one Spider Robinson creates in his Callahan's Saloon series. I know, this sounds absurd, but some good ideas can originate from the most absurd places. For those unfamiliar with the Callahan's series, the atmosphere is of a place where you can speak of any troubles you may be having at all, and even if the people listening don't quite understand your griefs, they will still try to help. This is, of course, quite idealistic. But then again, no one's ever accused me of blatant pessimism either. I think that, due to the nature of the proposed group, it should be in the talk hierarchy. If a similar group already exists, please keep the flaming to a minimum. Thanks much. -- Thank you and happy hunting! Actually: Ethan M. Young ____ [> SB <] "Travel IS life" Internet: fargo@pawl.rpi.edu /__ -=>??<=- - Irwin M. Fargo Bitnet (??): usergac0@rpitsmts.bitnet / ARGO : 3000 years of regression from the year 4990
jzitt@zitt.austin.ibm.com (10/30/89)
In article <1989Oct30.115233.19455@rpi.edu> fargo@pawl.rpi.edu (Irwin M. Fargo) writes: >I would like to propose a newsgroup for the purpose of discussing the >problems of individuals. > Sounds good... maybe talk.kvetch... Joe Zitt JOEZ@AUSVM6 (512)823-5111 Office 8A-45, Building 998, IBM, Austin, TX INTERNET: ...cs.utexas.edu!ibmaus!auschs!zitt.austin.ibm.com!jzitt
jeffd@ficc.uu.net (jeff daiell) (10/31/89)
In article <1989Oct30.115233.19455@rpi.edu>, fargo@pawl.rpi.edu (Irwin M. Fargo) writes: > I would like to propose a newsgroup for the purpose of discussing the > problems of individuals. > I think that, due to the nature of the proposed group, it should be in the > talk hierarchy. > > If a similar group already exists, please keep the flaming to a minimum. As long as he's proposing placement in the talk hierarchy, I certainly see no negatives and some potential positives. And I concur with the request for minimal flaming. Several people got unnecessarily haughty several months ago during the discussion of soc.personals, and I have a feeling this one will bring out the same snidery. Jeff Daiell Notice I avoided the obvious pun: "You did well, Fargo!". INDEPENDENCE FOR TIBET -- My supervisor has 160 well-armed subordinates sworn to do whatever he tells tnem. Still want to flame me?
sartin@hplabsz.HPL.HP.COM (Rob Sartin) (10/31/89)
I find it hard to conceive of a place where I would be less likely to share my troubles and personal problems than the net. After all, <fill in your favorite rude net personality, there are certainly enough to choose from> will probably read and post to the group. It is an idealistic goal. Good luck. You probably want to choose a different name or you'll get lots of postings about Ireland.... Rob
fargo@pawl.rpi.edu (Irwin M. Fargo) (10/31/89)
In <4259@hplabsz.HPL.HP.COM> sartin@hplabs.hp.com (Rob Sartin) writes: >I find it hard to conceive of a place where I would be less likely to >share my troubles and personal problems than the net. After all, <fill >in your favorite rude net personality, there are certainly enough to >choose from> will probably read and post to the group. It is an >idealistic goal. Good luck. You probably want to choose a different >name or you'll get lots of postings about Ireland.... > Rude people might cause a problem, but then again, from a certain per- spective, they might be acting rude because they have some problem that they'd like to get off their minds. The group would be quite dependent on the type of people looking for help and the people giving help. This was one of the reasons for which I think the newsgroup should be moderated. But I also have an equal argument for an unmoderated group: people whose problems have been solved can help other people with that same problem. Also, to Joe Zitt (jzitt@awd.ibm.com ??), could you explain your reasoning as to why the group should be called talk.kvetch? Thanks. -- Thank you and happy hunting! Actually: Ethan M. Young ____ [> SB <] "Travel IS life" Internet: fargo@pawl.rpi.edu /__ -=>??<=- - Irwin M. Fargo Bitnet (??): usergac0@rpitsmts.bitnet / ARGO : 3000 years of regression from the year 4990
jzitt@zitt.austin.ibm.com (11/01/89)
> >Also, to Joe Zitt (jzitt@awd.ibm.com ??), could you explain your reasoning >as to why the group should be called talk.kvetch? > Thanks. "kvetch" is Yiddish for "complain", more or less. I shoulda used a smiley. Joe Zitt JOEZ@AUSVM6 (512)823-5111 Office 8A-45, Building 998, IBM, Austin, TX INTERNET: ...cs.utexas.edu!ibmaus!auschs!zitt.austin.ibm.com!jzitt
russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) (11/01/89)
In article <792@awdprime.UUCP> jzitt@awdprime.austin.ibm.com.UUCP () writes: >> >>Also, to Joe Zitt (jzitt@awd.ibm.com ??), could you explain your reasoning >>as to why the group should be called talk.kvetch? >> Thanks. >"kvetch" is Yiddish for "complain", more or less. I shoulda used a smiley. >Joe Zitt JOEZ@AUSVM6 (512)823-5111 Office 8A-45, Building 998, IBM, Austin, TX Oh. I thought you were serious. I also thought it was a good idea. More descriptive than talk.troubles, and more acceptable than the also very descriptive 5-letter alternative. (BTW, I still think it is a good idea.) -- Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu rrn: newsgroup "junk" full --- rerouting to news.groups
fr@icdi10.UUCP (Fred Rump from home) (11/01/89)
In article <1989Oct30.231803.16742@rpi.edu> fargo@pawl.rpi.edu (Irwin M. Fargo) writes: >In <4259@hplabsz.HPL.HP.COM> sartin@hplabs.hp.com (Rob Sartin) writes: > >Also, to Joe Zitt (jzitt@awd.ibm.com ??), could you explain your reasoning >as to why the group should be called talk.kvetch? Probably a take-off on the German word Kwatsch. Meaning a lot of nonsense or something similar. Perhaps kvetch is the jiddish equivilant? fr -- This is my house. My castle will get started right after I finish with news. 26 Warren St. uucp: ...{bpa dsinc uunet}!cdin-1!icdi10!fr Beverly, NJ 08010 domain: fred@cdin-1.uu.net or icdi10!fr@cdin-1.uu.net 609-386-6846 "Freude... Alle Menschen werden Brueder..." - Schiller
fargo@pawl.rpi.edu (Irwin M. Fargo) (11/02/89)
In <792@awdprime.UUCP> jzitt@awdprime.austin.ibm.com.UUCP () writes: >> >>Also, to Joe Zitt (jzitt@awd.ibm.com ??), could you explain your reasoning >>as to why the group should be called talk.kvetch? >> Thanks. >"kvetch" is Yiddish for "complain", more or less. I shoulda used a smiley. Just to clear up any misconceptions that may have occurred, I was not chal- lenging Mr. Zitt on his suggestion of a name. I was merely interested as to why he chose talk.kvetch. I'm sure that those who don't know Yiddish (like myself) would be a bit confused about the word kvetch. I do agree, though, that talk.kvetch certainly does sound more interesting than talk.troubles. But I am concerned that if the group is named talk.kvetch, it might not be easily intepreted as being a group to discuss one's problems. I'm sure there a number of people (and news.groups certainly wasn't in the top 5 in the recent popularity results) who don't read news.groups and will be unaware of the meaning of talk.kvetch. Thay may see it pop up one day and say, "Who knows what it is?" and hit u. Of course, I am being a bit silly about it, but it is something I am concern- ed about. And again, don't be afraid to suggest names. All I'll probably ask you is why. Thanks. -- Thank you and happy hunting! Actually: Ethan M. Young ____ [> SB <] "Travel IS life" Internet: fargo@pawl.rpi.edu /__ -=>??<=- - Irwin M. Fargo Bitnet (??): usergac0@rpitsmts.bitnet / ARGO : 3000 years of regression from the year 4990