[news.groups] Formation of soc.roots.jewish

Susan.King@f270.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Susan King) (10/29/89)

This is a call for votes for the formation of a newsgroup called
soc.roots.jewish.
 
The purpose is as follows:
 
 
1) Providing all researchers of Jewish lines a means of networking
   with others on areas of particular interest to Jewish researchers
   to include....
 
   A) Jewish Geography 
   B) Identifying relatives lost in the Holocaust
   C) Finding relatives misplaced during the Holocaust
   D) Locating Yizkor Books and Landmanshaften from the old country
   
2) Providing researchers of Jewish lines access to research materials
   both in the US and abroad as they become available.
 
3) Providing researchers of Jewish lines a link to Israel where many
   of our relatives located during WWII as well as those currently
   immigrating from Russia (REFUSNIKS).
 
4) Providing an outlet for Holocaust survivors (the last generation) 
   a means of identifying their families and preserving the historical
   information that has been lost or forgotten because of the horror
   and fear that these people have had to live.
 
5) Providing source and translation information in Hebrew, Yiddish 
   and other Eastern European languages for the purpose of identifying
   family member with tombstone inscriptions in these languages as 
   well as other family historical data.
 
6) Providing a means of encouraging Jewish researchers to use this
   medium to open up research opportunities that they currently have
   not been using.
 
7) Providing a link between genealogy and the history of the Jewish
   People.
 
8) Providing a link between the Jewish Genealogical Societies throughout
   the world.
 
A Jewish Genealogy Conference currently exists on FIDONET and this 
newsgroup will be gateway'ed between the two newsgroup to open up 
an opportunity for more participation. 
 
I am receiving votes currently!

dsill@ark1.nswc.navy.mil (Dave Sill) (10/30/89)

Another in the recent gush of improper newsgroup creation attempts...

In article <1409.254B354F@urchin.fidonet.org>,
Susan.King@f270.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Susan King) writes:
> This is a call for votes for the formation of a newsgroup called
> soc.roots.jewish.

What happened to the discussion period?

Dave Sill (dsill@relay.nswc.navy.mil)

see1@tank.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) (10/31/89)

In article <1412.254B3581@urchin.fidonet.org>,
Susan.King@f270.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Susan King) writes:

>There is a call for votes in the NEWSGROUP conference for the formation 
>of a soc.roots.jewish.		[lengthy description deleted]
> 
>If you are interested...I am tallying votes by e-mail....

I would be happy to vote an unequivocal "yes" for soc.roots.jewish, but
first you have to satisfy the net.gurus by holding a proper discussion period.
Please ask again after people have had a chance to argue the suggestion.

Note that I am crossposting this to soc.culture.jewish, to give its
readers a chance to comment as well.

-- 
Ellen Keyne Seebacher                    University of Chicago Computing
see1@tank.uchicago.edu                    Instruction/Research/User Svcs.

max@lgc.UUCP (Max Heffler @ Landmark Graphics) (11/02/89)

In article <6041@tank.uchicago.edu>, see1@tank.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:
> In article <1412.254B3581@urchin.fidonet.org>,
> Susan.King@f270.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Susan King) writes:
> 
> >There is a call for votes in the NEWSGROUP conference for the formation 
> >of a soc.roots.jewish.		[lengthy description deleted]

Here is my yes vote for the newgroup soc.roots.jewish.
-- 
Max Heffler                     uucp: ..!uunet!lgc!max
Landmark Graphics Corp.         phone: (713) 579-4751
333 Cypress Run, Suite 100
Houston, Texas  77094

Susan.King@f270.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Susan King) (11/22/89)

 DS> 
 DS> From: dsill@ark1.nswc.navy.mil (Dave Sill)
 DS> Date: 30 Oct 89 14:16:53 GMT
 DS> Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Dahlgren VA
 DS> Message-ID: <210@ark1.nswc.navy.mil>
 DS> Newsgroups: news.groups
 DS> 
 DS> Another in the recent gush of improper newsgroup creation attempts...
 DS> 
 DS> In article <1409.254B354F@urchin.fidonet.org>,
 DS> Susan.King@f270.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Susan King) writes:
 DS> > This is a call for votes for the formation of a newsgroup called
 DS> > soc.roots.jewish.
 DS> 
 DS> What happened to the discussion period?
 DS> 
 DS> Dave Sill (dsill@relay.nswc.navy.mil)
 DS>  * Origin: Res Ipsa < urchin.fidonet.org > (1:106/988.0)
 DS> 

I found out REAL quick I had goofed....and quickly re-iterated my 
CALL for VOTES as a CALL for DISCUSSION and posted it here.
 
I have received lots of discussion on my MISTAKE but very little 
discussion on the CALL for Discussion. 
 
Here are some of the comments:
 
Most of the response has been very positive...in fact the only reason 
I posted this here....the idea of cross posting between FIDONET and 
USENET was that I received many inquiries from USENET folks about 
how to access the Jewish Genealogy Conference.
 
Unfortunately, just recently being gateway'd into USENET I was totally 
unaware of the procedure.
 
In fact I posted a note for help about 3 weeks before posting the 
infamous CALL for VOTES which actually included a PURPOSE statement 
on the proposed Newsgroup.
 
From what I am reading....I am wondering if the second post...the 
correction ever got into the NET. I probably have a copy of it somewhere 
here....and perhaps should re-post.
 
So....now with procedures in hand....I will again re-post a CALL 
for Discussion of the proposed newsgroup.
 
Now back to discussion:
 
I have heard the discussion of including the newsgroup with soc.roots,
however, since the discussion is specific to Jewish Research...and 
since we currently have a General Genealogy Conference on FIDONET...the 
cross posting would not work unless the soc.roots group wants to 
gateway with the NGC <National Genealogy Conference>. If there is 
interest, I can provide the names of the people they should contact.
 
The other discussion has been very favorable.
 
With a few NO's thrown in for good measure.

Susan.King@f270.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Susan King) (11/22/89)

 > 
 > From: see1@tank.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
 > Date: 30 Oct 89 19:14:12 GMT
 > Organization: University of Chicago
 > Message-ID: <6041@tank.uchicago.edu>
 > Newsgroups: soc.roots,news.groups,soc.culture.jewish
 > 
 > In article <1412.254B3581@urchin.fidonet.org>,
 > Susan.King@f270.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Susan King) writes:
 > 
 > >There is a call for votes in the NEWSGROUP conference for the
 > formation 
 > >of a soc.roots.jewish.         [lengthy description deleted]
 > > 
 > >If you are interested...I am tallying votes by e-mail....
 > 
 > I would be happy to vote an unequivocal "yes" for soc.roots.jewish,
 > but
 > first you have to satisfy the net.gurus by holding a proper discussion
 > period.
 > Please ask again after people have had a chance to argue the
 > suggestion.
 > 
 > Note that I am crossposting this to soc.culture.jewish, to give
 > its
 > readers a chance to comment as well.
 > 
 > -- 
 > Ellen Keyne Seebacher                    University of Chicago
 > Computing
 > see1@tank.uchicago.edu                    Instruction/Research/User
 > Svcs.
 > a
 > 
 > 
 > --- QM v1.00
 >  * Origin: Res Ipsa < urchin.fidonet.org > (1:106/988.0)
 > 

 
Yes, it is real clear, that the correction to my original mistake 
of 30 October....must never had made it through the net. The gateway 
in Houston was down about that time with hard disk problems....so 
I have to assume....that the reason my correction didn't get through 
and we are having this on-going discussion....!
 
Ellen thanks for your support....let's see what to do from here!!!