hoenig@ti-csl.csc.ti.com (Mike Hoenig) (12/13/89)
I haven't read the rec.arts.startrek forum yet. Since I have not unsubscribed, I will vote in favor of separating the informational postings from the rest. To date, the main reason I haven't read the forum is that there are so many messages for me to catch up with. I don't want to 'c' that forum, so I'm waiting until I can call in from home to read it all. Mike Hoenig
mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) (12/13/89)
I think that this is a good idea because although I'm a big fan of Star Trek, I really don't have the time to follow all the discussion in r.a.s. There is a *lot* of stuff in that group to tudge through for the factual postings. -- "Supreme executive power derives from | Mark Mitchell Georgia Tech a mandate from the masses, not from | GTRI/STL/MSD Atlanta, GA some farcical aquatic ceremony!" | mm42@prism.gatech.edu
louise@pravda.gatech.edu (Louise Penberthy) (12/14/89)
I also think this is a good idea. -- Louise Penberthy | "... as well as several small areas of thermal School of ICS, Georgia Tech | radiation and carbon dioxide emissions Atlanta, GA 30332 | indicative of combustion." "*Campfires*, louise@pravda.gatech.edu | Data." "Is that not what I said?"
denbeste@bgsuvax.UUCP (William C. DenBesten) (12/14/89)
From article <8912121501.AA11524@talos.uu.net>, by kjones%talos@uunet.UU.NET (Kyle Jones): > I propose a new moderated newsgroup rec.arts.startrek.info, that will be > devoted to Star Trek related postings that can be unambigously classified > as informational. How about the name rec.arts.startrek.announce, which follows in the vein of comp.security.announce gnu.announce news.announce.newgroups news.announce.newusers news.announce.important news.announce.conferences
cew@venera.isi.edu (Craig E. Ward) (12/14/89)
This is fine as far as it goes, but would an announcement of a SF con not directly related to Star Trek be allowed? How about one that was more oriented to Dr Who or Fantasy? (For that matter, would the next National Space Society's International Space Development Conference be admitted? After all, Roddenberry is on the NSS Board of Governors and will try to bring cast members to the conference. Last years conference featured Jonathan Frakes. For the Neptune Encounter, NSS held a reception at Cal Tech with the Roddenberrys, Grace Lee Whitney, Walter Koenig and others (I thought it funny that the Star Trek actors got more attention than Buzz Aldrin.) in attendance and the next day Paramount hosted a NSS fund raiser ($1000 a plate) on the set of the new show with the new cast.) -- Craig E. Ward <cew@venera.isi.edu> Slogan: "nemo me impune lacessit" USPS: USC Information Sciences Institute 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 1100 Marina del Rey, CA 90292
gentry@kcdev.UUCP (Art Gentry) (12/14/89)
I like it! I am a huge ST fan, but find the amount of traffic in rec.arts.startrek overwhelming. I typicaly receive 250-300 new items in there each day. Trying to browse thru the header list, for the stuff I'm tryuly interested in can be quite agrivating at times. The idea of moving, (and notice I said 'moving', not x-posting!) the info type items, I think is an excellent one. -- | R. Arthur Gentry AT&T Communications Kansas City, MO 64106 | | Email: gentry@kcdev ATTMail: attmail!kc4rtm!gentry | | The UNIX BBS: 816-221-0475 The Bedroom BBS: 816-637-4183 | | $include {std_disclaimer.h} "I will make a quess" - Spock - STIV |
jmc@PacBell.COM (Jerry Carlin) (12/14/89)
In article <8912121501.AA11524@talos.uu.net> kjones%talos@uunet.UU.NET writes: >I propose a new moderated newsgroup rec.arts.startrek.info:... > * Convention announcements > * Program guides > * Program synopses and credit listings > * Schedule listings I am 100% in agreement with this idea. I would like it even better if it were moderated! -- Jerry Carlin (415) 823-2441 {bellcore,sun,ames,pyramid}!pacbell!jmc To dream the impossible dream. To fight the unbeatable foe.
peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) (12/14/89)
In article <4351@hydra.gatech.EDU> louise@pravda.UUCP (Louise Penberthy) writes: > I also think this is a good idea. Well, I think it's a really screwy idea. What you're gonna get is everyone thinking their stuff is 'info' and post to .info... or to both groups. It's bad enough with the comparitively (compared to this proposal anyway) well defined .tech groups in comp.sys.*. If you want to improve the s/n ratio, there are a number of alternatives: rec.arts.startrek.movies rec.arts.startrek.books rec.arts.startrek.original rec.arts.startrek.new Also, you could try a moderated subgroup, a-la rec.humor.funny: rec.arts.startrek.announce (moderated) rec.arts.startrek.mod (moderated) rec.arts.startrek.info (moderated) Or, you could segregate the flames into a seperate part of the hierarchy: talk.startrek alt.startrek rec.arts.startrek.trekkie rec.arts.startrek.trekker In fact, you can go ahead and set up any structure you want in alt and try it out, before coming up with a proposal. -- `-_-' Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. <peter@ficc.uu.net>. 'U` Also <peter@ficc.lonestar.org> or <peter@sugar.lonestar.org>. "Scientific progress is predicated on name-calling and intolerance, not to mention asking lots of stupid questions." -- Mark S Madsen
kjones@talos.uu.net (Kyle Jones) (12/15/89)
Craig E. Ward writes: > This is fine as far as it goes, but would an announcement of a SF con > not directly related to Star Trek be allowed? How about one that > was more oriented to Dr Who or Fantasy? Such announcements would be permitted if sufficient interest to Star Trek fandom could be shown. A major Trek actor making an appearance or a significant presentation related to Trek would be sufficient. > (For that matter, would the next National Space Society's > International Space Development Conference be admitted? After all, > Roddenberry is on the NSS Board of Governors and will try to bring > cast members to the conference. Last years conference featured > Jonathan Frakes. This is a maybe. Such a posting would need to be worded more as an announcement that Jonathan Frakes will be at such and such conference, rather than a massive announcement of the conference itself with a brief mention of Jonathan Frakes' appearance somewhere therein.
kjones@talos.uu.net (Kyle Jones) (12/16/89)
E-mail response as well as the responses in this group has been favorable. Two major issues need to be addressed: Name: rec.art.startrek.info vs. rec.arts.startrek.announce Moderator: who? Also I have received mail messages suggesting that psot-mortem convention reports be permitted in the group. This seems reasonable, provided the submitters actually went to the con, and they do not lace their reports with discussion.
brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) (12/16/89)
In article <8912121501.AA11524@talos.uu.net> kjones%talos@uunet.UU.NET writes:
<I propose a new moderated newsgroup rec.arts.startrek.info, that will be
<devoted to Star Trek related postings that can be unambigously classified
<as informational. In my mind, these postings fall into one of these
<categories:
<
< * Convention announcements
< * Program guides
< * Program synopses and credit listings
< * Schedule listings
<
<These types of article are posted regularly to rec.arts.startrek. However,
<they are a trickle in comparison to the volume of the rest of the group.
<The volume of rec.arts.startrek is high enough that the separation of
<informational postings would be useful. A short survey was taken in
<rec.arts.startrek before this call was issued, and the e-mail response was
<favorable (15 to 1).
Yes, but who will the moderator be? I'm in favor, but we need this question
answered.
--
harvard\ att!nicmad\
Vidiot ucbvax!uwvax..........!astroatc!vidiot!brown
rutgers/ decvax!nicmad/
ARPA/INTERNET: <@spool.cs.wisc.edu,@astroatc:brown@vidiot>brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) (12/16/89)
In article <10963@venera.isi.edu> cew@venera.isi.edu.UUCP (Craig E. Ward) writes:
<This is fine as far as it goes, but would an announcement of a SF con not
<directly related to Star Trek be allowed? How about one that was more
<oriented to Dr Who or Fantasy? (For that matter, would the next National
<Space Society's International Space Development Conference be admitted? After
<all, Roddenberry is on the NSS Board of Governors and will try to bring cast
<members to the conference. Last years conference featured Jonathan Frakes.
<For the Neptune Encounter, NSS held a reception at Cal Tech with the
<Roddenberrys, Grace Lee Whitney, Walter Koenig and others (I thought it funny
<that the Star Trek actors got more attention than Buzz Aldrin.) in attendance
<and the next day Paramount hosted a NSS fund raiser ($1000 a plate) on the
<set of the new show with the new cast.)
To me, anything remotely having to do with ST:TOS or ST:TNG, movies, cast or
crew con announcements would go here.
--
harvard\ att!nicmad\
Vidiot ucbvax!uwvax..........!astroatc!vidiot!brown
rutgers/ decvax!nicmad/
ARPA/INTERNET: <@spool.cs.wisc.edu,@astroatc:brown@vidiot>rja@edison.cho.ge.com (rja) (12/17/89)
The proposal for r.a.si doesn't indicate the new group will be moderated. If it isn't, the discussion in r.a.s will spill over (as has been demonstrated on USENET in the past) and the whole point of creating a new group will be lost. The proposal needs to be rethought.
kjones@talos.uu.net (Kyle Jones) (12/18/89)
In the call for discussion for rec.arts.startrek.info I write: > I propose a new moderated newsgroup rec.arts.startrek.info:... Several people write: > I am 100% in agreement with this idea. I would like it even better if it > were moderated! What's wrong with this picture? Ken Tindle <tindle@ms.uky.edu> has volunteered to moderate the group. Are there any objections to Ken as moderator?
carlo@electro.UUCP (Carlo Sgro) (12/19/89)
In article <5269@bgsuvax.UUCP> denbeste@bgsuvax.UUCP (William C. DenBesten) writes:
#How about the name rec.arts.startrek.announce, which follows in the vein of
# comp.security.announce
# gnu.announce
# news.announce.newgroups
# news.announce.newusers
# news.announce.important
# news.announce.conferences
I don't think that this would be a good idea since this group would not only
be for announcements. The discussion in r.a.s. indicated that it would be
for guide updates, reviews, etc.
--
Carlo Sgro Vote for your favorite .signature!
watmath!watcgl!electro!carlo Call 1-900-GOODONE ($2 on your phone bill).brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) (12/19/89)
After e-mail conversation with Jim Griffith and if the net readers approve,
we would volunteer to be co-moderators of this group.
--
harvard\ att!nicmad\
Vidiot ucbvax!uwvax..........!astroatc!vidiot!brown
rutgers/ decvax!nicmad/
ARPA/INTERNET: <@spool.cs.wisc.edu,@astroatc:brown@vidiot>griffith@con.Berkeley.EDU (Jim "The Big Dweeb" Griffith) (12/19/89)
In article <325@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes: >After e-mail conversation with Jim Griffith and if the net readers approve, >we would volunteer to be co-moderators of this group. Let me amend this a bit. We've been discussing this with Kyle and others, and co-moderatorship is not really a good idea for this group. We need *one* place to send submissions, and *one* person to wade through them and judge their suitability. However, Vidiot should have the ability to post his articles directly to the group, rather than being forced to go through the moderator. So regardless of whoever becomes moderator (and it looks like me at this point), Vidiot will also be able to post. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Griffith /--OO--\ | ...!ucbvax!scam!griffith | "Take my Worf. Please" BEWARE BATS WITHOUT NOSES! |
jp@frog.UUCP (John Pimentel) (12/22/89)
In article <8912121501.AA11524@talos.uu.net> kjones%talos@uunet.UU.NET writes: >I propose a new moderated newsgroup rec.arts.startrek.info, that will be I like the idea. >However, >they are a trickle in comparison to the volume of the rest of the group. But wading through the pile can be very laborious even for those of us who know how to manipulate our ways around the group. Even leaving the group unattended for a couple weeks it gets pretty big. Upon signing on this morning I found 735 articles to be read. This one is one of 300+ remaining to be read. To cut through and get some important stuff would be great. Then I can go back to the other group and concentrate on trying to make sense out of science-fiction. >favorable (15 to 1). And those who read this group, can guess who it was. What was the word he used.... Never mind it doesn't matter. --- Take care and have a good day. John. STANDARD DISCLAIMER APPLIES. UUCP: frog!jp
jp@frog.UUCP (John Pimentel) (12/22/89)
In article <325@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes: > >After e-mail conversation with Jim Griffith and if the net readers approve, >we would volunteer to be co-moderators of this group. I second the motion. All those in favor send them (one or the other) an E-mail and tell them so. All those opposed do the same. --- Take care and have a good day. John. STANDARD DISCLAIMER APPLIES. UUCP: frog!jp
jp@frog.UUCP (John Pimentel) (12/22/89)
In article <20805@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> griffith@con.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Jim "The Big Dweeb" Griffith) writes: >In article <325@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes: >>After e-mail conversation with Jim Griffith and if the net readers approve, >>we would volunteer to be co-moderators of this group. > >Let me amend this a bit. We've been discussing this with Kyle and others, >and co-moderatorship is not really a good idea for this group. We need >*one* place to send submissions, and *one* person to wade through them Whatever works. >However, Vidiot should have the ability >to post his articles directly to the group, rather than being forced to >go through the moderator. I still second the motion. --- Take care and have a good day. John. STANDARD DISCLAIMER APPLIES. UUCP: frog!jp
jp@frog.UUCP (John Pimentel) (12/23/89)
In article <5032@ptsfa.PacBell.COM> jmc@PacBell.COM (Jerry Carlin) writes: >In article <8912121501.AA11524@talos.uu.net> kjones%talos@uunet.UU.NET writes: >>I propose a new moderated newsgroup rec.arts.startrek.info:... >> * Convention announcements >> * Program guides >> * Program synopses and credit listings >> * Schedule listings > >I am 100% in agreement with this idea. I would like it even better if it >were moderated! Well, Jerry if you read the word right after "I propose a new" you would clearly see (or at least I do) "moderated". >-- >Jerry Carlin (415) 823-2441 {bellcore,sun,ames,pyramid}!pacbell!jmc >To dream the impossible dream. To fight the unbeatable foe. --- Take care and have a good day. John. STANDARD DISCLAIMER APPLIES. UUCP: frog!jp
jp@frog.UUCP (John Pimentel) (12/23/89)
In article <7297@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: >In article <4351@hydra.gatech.EDU> louise@pravda.UUCP (Louise Penberthy) writes: >> I also think this is a good idea. > >Well, I think it's a really screwy idea. What you're gonna get is everyone >thinking their stuff is 'info' and post to .info... or to both groups. It's That is why the proposed group from the onset was proposed as MODERATED with thus far TWO CO-MODERATORS. And if you bothered to read the proposal you too would have seen it clearly stated "I proposed a new moderated group". What ever happened to engaging brain before mouth (fingers)? >If you want to improve the s/n ratio, there are a number of alternatives: > rec.arts.startrek.movies > rec.arts.startrek.books > rec.arts.startrek.original > rec.arts.startrek.new Now you're blowing things way out of porportion! >Also, you could try a moderated subgroup, a-la rec.humor.funny: > > rec.arts.startrek.announce (moderated) > rec.arts.startrek.mod (moderated) > rec.arts.startrek.info (moderated) >Or, you could segregate the flames into a seperate part of the hierarchy: > talk.startrek > alt.startrek > rec.arts.startrek.trekkie > rec.arts.startrek.trekker What rock did you climb from under anyways :-) >-- >`-_-' Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. <peter@ficc.uu.net>. > 'U` Also <peter@ficc.lonestar.org> or <peter@sugar.lonestar.org>. >"Scientific progress is predicated on name-calling and intolerance, not to > mention asking lots of stupid questions." -- Mark S Madsen --- Take care and have a good day. John. STANDARD DISCLAIMER APPLIES. UUCP: frog!jp
jp@frog.UUCP (John Pimentel) (12/23/89)
In article <8912162235.AA13021@edison.CHO.GE.COM> rja <rja@edison.cho.ge.com> writes: >The proposal for r.a.si doesn't indicate the new group will >be moderated. If it isn't, the discussion in r.a.s will YES IT DOES. "I propose a new moderated group". C'mon people get with the program. And you guys call yourselves intelligent :-) > >The proposal needs to be rethought. And so does your response ;-) --- Take care and have a good day. John. STANDARD DISCLAIMER APPLIES. UUCP: frog!jp
jp@frog.UUCP (John Pimentel) (12/23/89)
In article <1989Dec18.155132.11353@talos.uu.net> kjones@talos.uu.net writes: >In the call for discussion for rec.arts.startrek.info I write: > > I propose a new moderated newsgroup rec.arts.startrek.info:... > >Several people write: > > I am 100% in agreement with this idea. I would like it even better if it > > were moderated! > >What's wrong with this picture? It's called in the real world as NOT engaging the brain before mouth or in this case mouth. > >Ken Tindle <tindle@ms.uky.edu> has volunteered to moderate the group. >Are there any objections to Ken as moderator? --- Take care and have a good day. John. STANDARD DISCLAIMER APPLIES. UUCP: frog!jp