[news.groups] The proposed vietnamese soc.culture newsgroup

troly@oak.math.ucla.edu (Bret Jolly) (01/20/90)

  I sent this message to Tam Nguyen, who suggested that I post it.
It explains why I think that soc.culture.vietnamese is a better
name for the proposed newsgroup than soc.culture.vietnam.

In article <21255@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> [Tam Nguyen wrote]:
>In article <2162@sunset.MATH.UCLA.EDU> troly@math.ucla.edu (Bret Jolly) 
>writes:
>>In article <130177@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> tan@Sun.COM (Tin Nguyen) writes:
>>>This is a call for discussions to start a new newsgroup.
>>>SUGGESTED NAME: soc.culture.vietnam
>>
>>soc.culture.vietnamese would be a better name.
>
>An interesting suggestion as to "vietnamese" instead of "vietnam", but 
>I don't quite understand the reasoning behind it.  "vietnam" would keep the
>naming convention of soc.culture."china, hongkong, ..." 

  Hi!  My suggestion follows the *original* naming convention for
soc.culture groups, as shown by the names soc.culture.jewish,
soc.culture.greek, soc.culture.arabic, soc.culture.indian,
soc.culture.turkish, and so forth.  

  Soc.culture.china was the first newsgroup to depart from this naming
convention.  Several months after that group was created, many people
bitterly regretted the ill-chosen name, and indeed it was nearly changed
back to soc.culture.chinese, (and would have been changed, in my
opinion, had there been an established procedure for changing the
names of existing groups.)
 
  Since the name of the group was soc.culture.*china*, some people
from the PRC started insisting that Taiwanese, Hong Kongese, and
overseas Chinese had no right to post there, and the group was
wracked by bitter and pointless flame wars.  It ended by the creation
of splinter groups for Hong Kong and Taiwan.  But didn't this defeat
the original purpose of the group, which was to provide a forum
for the discussion of chinese culture?

  Names like soc.culture.china and soc.culture.vietnam emphasize
the country rather than the culture.  These names provide an invitation
for (usually clandestine) representatives of these countries' governments
to insist that only people under the thumbs of these governments have
any business in these groups.

  There are many students sponsored by the current Vietnamese
government who, at least potentially, have net access.  [E.g.] In
Paris this summer, I had dinner with 6 Vietnamese communists (or
nominal communists), and acquired standing invitations to stay at
several households in Vietnam.  These people should be encouraged to
post to the proposed newsgroup.  But they should not be given a
pretext to try to monopolize the discussion.
                                         Regards, Bret

vqh@drutx.ATT.COM (Viet Hoang) (01/25/90)

From article <2181@sunset.MATH.UCLA.EDU>, by troly@oak.math.ucla.edu (Bret Jolly):
> 
>   Names like soc.culture.china and soc.culture.vietnam emphasize
> the country rather than the culture.  These names provide an invitation
> for (usually clandestine) representatives of these countries' governments
> to insist that only people under the thumbs of these governments have
> any business in these groups.

Hmm, I never thought of that possible consequence of the newsgroup
name.  Add my vote to create the newsgroup and name it soc.culture.vietnamese.

V. Hoang
v.hoang@att.com
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V. Hoang, AT&T Denver, vqh@dwx3bn.att.com