tran@peora.ccur.com (Nhan Tran) (01/23/90)
It doesn't matter whether the name is soc.culture.vietnam or vietnamese.
Believe me, the discussion will be on anything about Vietnam and/or Vietnamese.
Although the group name has `culture' in it, culture won't be the major subject
for discussion.
Some said that we have ~4 weeks to debate whether the group should be
created. How is it decided after that period? How is the group created?
How is the voting process?
My vote for
should soc.culture.vietnamese be created: YES
when it's time to vote, my vote: YES
Nhan Tran
email: peora!tran
tran@peora.ccur.comrandall@uvaarpa.virginia.edu (Randall Atkinson) (02/06/90)
I urge everyone to vote NO to this proposal because its charter is excessively broad and in particular because the proposed charter explicitly includes politics which under the USENET guidelines and net.custom belongs in talk.politics.* rather than in a soc.culture.* group. I predict now that this group will become as noisy and flame-infested as soc.culture.china has proved to be over the past two years. Were the group moderated suitably and politics excluded, my position would change. Ran randall@virginia.edu
aitrangt@alcor.usc.edu (Aitrang Tran) (02/06/90)
Regarding the politics mentioned in the charter of soc.culture.vietnamese, I think it means to be the government & politics of Vietnam right now.. Politics also fall under the culture of one people... We are limiting to Vietnamese related issue, not just general politics......... I do agree that the issues under soc.culture.vietnamese are rather broad, but if everything fall under culture then we just have to live with it, since we can't split it up further under USENET right now.. UsC-uSc-UsC-uSc-UsC-uSc-UsC-uSc-UsC-uSc-UsC-uScU-sC-uSc-UsC-uSc-UsC-uSc-UsC-uSc University of Southern California aitrangt@chaph.usc.edu Tra^`n Ha?i Tra.ng
randall@uvaarpa.virginia.edu (Randall Atkinson) (02/06/90)
In article <7884@chaph.usc.edu> aitrangt@alcor.usc.edu () writes: >Regarding the politics mentioned in the charter of soc.culture.vietnamese, >I think it means to be the government & politics of Vietnam right now.. >Politics also fall under the culture of one people... We are limiting >to Vietnamese related issue, not just general politics......... The vote is on the charter as worded in the CALL FOR VOTES and no where in that charter does it say government and politics of Viet-Nam only and many many people will read that charter and point to it and say see here where it allows politics so American politics of the war in Viet-Nam is allowed here explicitly. >I do agree that the issues under soc.culture.vietnamese are rather broad, >but if everything fall under culture then we just have to live with >it, since we can't split it up further under USENET right now.. I do not accept that "politics" necessarily is part of culture and certainly it is NOT the case that we cannot exclude politics from soc.culture.vietnamese. Under USENET guidelines and custom, the charter could have said no politics here or only politics of Vietnamese in Vietnam (no foreign politics) or whatever. The proposer chose not to do this, but it could have been done under USENET rules. The charter should have restricted itself to culture and language and since it hasn't, I urge others to vote NO now and prevent another flamefest in the soc groups like soc.culture.china has become. Ran
dveditz@dbase.A-T.COM (Dan Veditz) (02/07/90)
randall@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU (Randall Atkinson) writes: > The vote is on the charter as worded in the CALL FOR VOTES [....] I've been watching news.announce.newgroups for this one and never saw it. Could someone please mail me the Call For Votes on soc.culture.vietnamese -- our newsfeed must have hiccupped again. -Dan Veditz {uunet,cepu}!ashtate!dveditz dveditz@dbase.A-T.com