sadeghi@oxy.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) (11/21/89)
>The following message was forwarded from NEWS.GROUPS for further >discussions. > >Is Iranian culture that much different from that of neighboring Islamic >states? If not, why not start with a soc.culture.mideast or >soc.culture.islam? If you are going to allow Iraqi or Saudi contributions >anyway, this would be an obvious change. If not, why not? Iranian culture is surely much different from the neighboring Arab states. As a matter of fact, many Iranains get upset when they are mistakenly referred to as Arabs. Not that we have anything against our Arab borthers and sisters; it is just that we are not Arabs and would not like to be lumped with them (just likes the English probably would not like to be called French!). To mention a few differences: language, literature, religious sect, calendar, new year, social customs, ... For the discussion of Arab cultures soc.culture.arabic exists. As there are more commonalities between Iran and Afghanistan, I think soc.culture.iranian would definitely be nice place for the discussion of Afghani cultural issues. Especially since no newsgroups exists for this purpose. Pakistan is another neighbor of Iran, but soc.culture.indian covers Pakistan. And for the discussion of Turkish culture, soc.culture.turkish exists. If we are going to create a "soc.culture.mideast," then we should dismantle all these other newsgroups. But I don't think that would be feasible. Sincerely, Behnam Sadeghi
kamvar@cbnewsi.ATT.COM (simin.kamvar) (02/13/90)
I vote yes for the creation of soc.culture.iranian. I hope to see some discussion about iranian litrature and poetry, art, folklore, and music in this newsgroup. Simin Kamvar
mmpam@amdcad.AMD.COM (Ali Moayedian) (02/15/90)
I vote YES for the creation of the SOC.CULTURE.IRANIAN.
I believe this newsgroup can be a good tribune for
Iraninans and non-Iraninans to discuss issues related
to Iran and Iranians. It seems there is a lot of
interest in creating this group and I hope it will
be created soon.
Here is a list of possible discussion topics for the SCI:
- Cultural, social and political issues
- Literature
- Marriage and divorce. Family problems encountered
by Iranian families abroad.
- Psychological problems of Iranians abroad.
- Clash of cultures.
- Do we feel at home, at work or otherwise
- What can we do to help Iran(or Iranians).
- Do we stay in touch with Iran & Farsi language? How?
- Can we or will we ever go back to Iran?
- How our lives have been affected by living abroad?
- Types of work we do. Do we enjoy it?
- When we were last in Iran. Any memories?
- etc, etc, etc ...
********************************************************bahman@nixtor.uucp (Bahman Koohestani) (02/15/90)
I am in favor of the formation of soc.culture.iranian. -- Bahman Koohestani Nixdorf Computer Canada, Ltd. bahman@nixtor uunet!jtsv16!geac!nixtor!bahman
ertem@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Tuna Ertemalp) (02/19/90)
I strongly support the creation of soc.culture.iranian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mr. Tuna Ertemalp | Manzanita Park 26X | Small things together | | Stanford University | Stanford University | form the quality, | | Computer Science MS | Stanford, CA 94305, USA | But quality is not a | | Ertem@Cs.Stanford.Edu | (415) 328-8515 | small thing! | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
eederavi@cybaswan.UUCP (Farzin Deravi) (02/19/90)
The creation of this newsgroup (soc.culture.iranian) is long overdue.
It is essential that the newsgroup should remain unmoderated.
Lets do it.
Farzin Deravi
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I vote YES to the creation of the soc.culture.iranian. I hope to see some very informative discussion and information in this newsgroup about all aspects of Iranian culture and history; in particular about Iranian cookery. Nader Mehrvari nader@homxa.att.com
tjarc@sleepy.bmd.trw.com (02/20/90)
In article <1896@cbnewsi.ATT.COM>, kamvar@cbnewsi.ATT.COM (simin.kamvar) writes: > I vote yes for the creation of soc.culture.iranian. > I hope to see some discussion about iranian litrature and poetry, > art, folklore, and music in this newsgroup. DISCLAIMER: the following opinion is solely mine! I vote NO for any sort of soc.culture.iranian until such time as the Iranian controlled United States and all other foreign hostages are released from Lebanon. No offense to you domestic or imported folks who have so successfully assimilated yourselves into the American culture. To those Iranians, who come to this country to get an education, and then demonstrate against the great Satan United States, I say get your ass outta here. I'm not trying to offend anyone directly here. I'd just feel a lot better about things if the govern- ment of Iran would quit dickin' around, get the hostages released - which I firmly believe they could instantly accomplish, and lets get on with life. Iran has problems, the United States has problems, HELL, we ALL have problems. Hasen't this shit gone on long enough? Until such time as the crisis is resolved, I vote NO!
wisner@hayes.fai.alaska.edu (Bill Wisner) (02/20/90)
I wish to say here that I completely and wholeheartedly support the timely creation of soc.culture.iranian. It should prove to be an extremely valuable forum for Iranians and those who are merely interested in that great country. Please record my YES vote. Thank you. Yours very sincerely, Bill Wisner <wisner@hayes.fai.alaska.edu> Gryphon Gang Fairbanks AK 99775
hashemi@leadsv.UUCP (Rahmat O. Hashemi) (02/20/90)
strongly support creation of SOC.CULTURE.IRANIAN.
jamshid@maxwell.mmwb.ucsf.edu (Jamshid Naghizadeh) (02/20/90)
Once more I strongly support the creation of soc.culture.iranaian. This topic has attracted more interest in recent weeks, in view of the recent cultural upheaval in the southern republics of the USSR. jamshid@maxwell.mmwb.ucsf.edu
ska@cbnewsh.ATT.COM (siroos.k.afshar) (02/20/90)
Yes! I think it's a VERY good idea and I support the creation of the soc.culture.iranian. -Siroos Afshar
scott@mccall.uucp (02/20/90)
I vote no. As to Bill Wisner, next time be a bit more careful where you post. -- Scott Davis (800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041 The McCall Pattern Company, 615 McCall Rd., Manhattan, KS 66502, USA UUCP: rutgers!ksuvax1!mccall!scott Internet: scott%mccall@ksuvax1.cis.ksu.edu
dragon@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Sam Conway) (02/20/90)
In article <1990Feb19.220948.21739@hayes.uucp> wisner@hayes.fai.alaska.edu (Bill Wisner) writes: >I wish to say here that I completely and wholeheartedly support the timely >creation of soc.culture.iranian. It should prove to be an extremely >valuable forum for Iranians and those who are merely interested in that >great country. Please record my YES vote. Thank you. > >Yours very sincerely, > >Bill Wisner <wisner@hayes.fai.alaska.edu> Gryphon Gang Fairbanks AK 99775 What the bloody Hell is THIS doing in this newsgroup? Have I missed something? (like the taking of a number of American hostages in Iran in 1979, a death sentence imposed upon a British subject, or the active support of world terrorism....but let's not get started on THAT.) -- Sam Conway * dragon@eleazar.dartmouth.edu * Don't mention the war! Chemistry Dept., Dartmouth College, NH * I mentioned it once, but I Vermont Raptor Center (VINS) * think I got away with it...
mosley@peyote.cactus.org (Bob Mosley III) (02/21/90)
In article <1990Feb19.220948.21739@hayes.uucp>, wisner@hayes.fai.alaska.edu (Bill Wisner) writes: > I wish to say here that I completely and wholeheartedly support the timely > creation of soc.culture.iranian. It should prove to be an extremely > valuable forum for Iranians and those who are merely interested in that > great country. Please record my YES vote. Thank you. > > Yours very sincerely, > > Bill Wisner <wisner@hayes.fai.alaska.edu> Gryphon Gang Fairbanks AK 99775 Two things: 1) This does NOT belong on r.a.comics. It belongs in e-mail, addressed to whatever radical is attempting to create this group. 2) Also, I would like to register my vote against the creation of this newsgroup. Why? Because...the sky is blue....aaaaauhahhaaaa... Yours very sarcastically, OM <mosley@peyote.cactus.org> "After the body of the Ayatollah was partially ripped to shreds by the mob attending his funeral, it was decreed by his successor that anyone caught with any part of the deceased leader in his or her possession would be put to death..." From a UPI wire story :x
zardoz@apple.com (The One Eyed Man) (02/21/90)
Iranian culture...military justice...governmental restraint...jumbo shrimp... What to all these have in common? ************************************* * When you do it to me, it's discrimination * When I do it to you, it's AA ************************************* -- These are my ideas. Oy vey, are they mine. -- zardoz
towfiq@interlan.Interlan.COM (Mark Towfigh) (02/21/90)
I support the creation of soc.culture.iranian. I think it will provide a nice place to discuss aspects of Iranian culture, such as poetry, rules of social interaction, and differences with the West, away from political flame wars. -- Mark Towfigh, Racal Interlan, Inc. towfiq@interlan.Interlan.COM W: (508) 263-9929 H: (617) 488-2818 uunet!interlan!towfiq "The Earth is but One Country, and Mankind its Citizens" -- Baha'u'llah
dragon@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Sam Conway) (02/21/90)
I have received e-mail which has indicated that the initial posting about the new "soc.culture.iranian" was intended as a joke. An inside joke, it would seem, which makes it uniquely inappropriate to be posted to a worldwide network. If this is the case, I am disappointed that the originator hasn't made mention of this fact, but rather allows the Net to be clogged up with followups from those who believe it to be sincere. Let us assume it is a joke, as indeed it must be, and allow it to pass quietly into memory. -- Sam Conway * dragon@eleazar.dartmouth.edu * Don't mention the war! Chemistry Dept., Dartmouth College, NH * I mentioned it once, but I Vermont Raptor Center (VINS) * think I got away with it...
ra0746@cec1.wustl.edu (Ramin Aghevli) (02/21/90)
I vote YES for the creation of soc.culture.iranian. This should create a great forum to discuss social, cultural, and political issues pertaining to Iran.
mack@portia.Stanford.EDU (Siamak Hashemi) (02/21/90)
In article <132.25dffba9@sleepy.bmd.trw.com> tjarc@sleepy.bmd.trw.com writes: > >I vote NO for any sort of soc.culture.iranian until such time as the Iranian >controlled United States and all other foreign hostages are released from >Lebanon. What do politics and soc.culture have to do with each other? As if we in the U.S. are controlling the situation. >No offense to you domestic or imported folks who have so successfully >assimilated yourselves into the American culture. To those Iranians, who come >to this country to get an education, and then demonstrate against the great >Satan United States, I say get your ass outta here. So those Americans who demostrate against the government should get their asses out of here as well? See how ridiculous your argument is? >I'm not trying to offend anyone directly here. Instead you're insulting a coutry as a whole! >Iran has problems, the United States has problems, HELL, we ALL have problems. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I should have guessed! -- Siamak Hashemi Electrical Engineering Department Stanford University
mack@portia.Stanford.EDU (Siamak Hashemi) (02/21/90)
In article <19557@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> dragon@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Sam Conway) writes: > >What the bloody Hell is THIS doing in this newsgroup? Have I missed >something? > For your information, news.groups is a forum for the discussion on the (modification)creation of the (existing)newsgroups. Any problems with that? >Sam Conway * -- Siamak Hashemi Electrical Engineering Department Stanford University
mack@portia.Stanford.EDU (Siamak Hashemi) (02/21/90)
I will quote a couple of postings in news.groups for you, which strangely enough were written by the same person! Our dear Sam Conway (the hero of our story) writes: In article <19557@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> dragon@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Sam Conway) writes: [on the postings for the creation of soc.culture.iranian] >What the bloody Hell is THIS doing in this newsgroup? Have I missed >something? > >(like the taking of a number of American hostages in Iran in 1979, a >death sentence imposed upon a British subject, or the active support of >world terrorism....but let's not get started on THAT.) > And a short while later he writes: In article <19568@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> dragon@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Sam Conway) writes: >I have received e-mail which has indicated that the initial posting about >the new "soc.culture.iranian" was intended as a joke. An inside joke, After having seen his two postings, I tend not to believe him, since it seems like he is biased in his opinions which would directly affect his postings. Sam, you could have posted a copy of the e-mail that you received, so all of us would have been enlightened. >If this is the case, I am disappointed that the originator hasn't >made mention of this fact, but rather allows the Net to be clogged up >with followups from those who believe it to be sincere. If everyone has responded to his call (even if it were a joke), then he must have been wise not to mention of his purpose. It seems like everyone was just waiting for someone to bring up the issue, and if he is not going to take responsibility of counting the votes (I assume that you would know about that since he or someone else who knows him well informed you by e-mail!) I am willing to take over the responsibilities. >Let us assume it is a joke, as indeed it must be, and allow it to pass >quietly into memory. Let us not. With the number of people who have been posting responses recently, I think we should take it more seriously. (only for those who haven't taken it seriously so far, e.g. people like you who have secret e-mail info!) >Sam Conway * -- Siamak Hashemi Electrical Engineering Department Stanford University
mosley@peyote.cactus.org (Bob Mosley III) (02/21/90)
In article <6807@internal.Apple.COM>, zardoz@apple.com (The One Eyed Man) writes: > > Iranian culture...military justice...governmental restraint...jumbo > shrimp... > > What to all these have in common? ....they're part of John Byrne's new origin for Richie Rich? OM
monnie@thumper.bellcore.com (Nariman Shambayati) (02/22/90)
I vote yes for the creation of soc.culture.iranian as
proposed. Unmoderated.
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....bellcore!rruxh!monnie or
rruxh!monnie@thumper.bellcore.combahman@nixtor.uucp (Bahman Koohestani) (02/22/90)
dragon@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Sam Conway) writes: >I have received e-mail which has indicated that the initial posting about >the new "soc.culture.iranian" was intended as a joke. An inside joke, >it would seem, which makes it uniquely inappropriate to be posted to >a worldwide network. >If this is the case, I am disappointed that the originator hasn't >made mention of this fact, but rather allows the Net to be clogged up >with followups from those who believe it to be sincere. >Let us assume it is a joke, as indeed it must be, and allow it to pass >quietly into memory. Hmm..... I sense a racial hostility here. I wonder, is it only Iranians that you are against or it is also (Indians, Blacks, Russians, etc.). Or are you one of those people who thinks that Americans are the best thing happened to the world since the invension of sliced bread ? (NO OFFENSE INTENDED TO AMERICANS) Or perhaphs you think that American men are the best race in the world? The curiosity is killing me. You and I should get together and do lunch. I can see that I really can learn so much from you. Oooooh, I get it. You don't like the actions of the Iranian government. Oh, well, I am sure that a lot of people don't like the action of the U.S. government or the ... government. But, hell, I say let's judge races and people by the action of their governments (or "so called" reps). Then the whole world will hate each other and YOU'll have so much fun. Jeee... Let me give you some fantesies: Nuc Iran (how is that, you like that, I thought you would) Kill all Iranian children (wipe out the race, how was that?) Rape all the Iranian women and kill the men ? Well, I tried to use small words so you can understand what I am trying to get across. If you have missed my point, I am sorry, but you are hopeless. You will leave a life of hate for you fellow mankind (today is Iranians and tomorrow is somebody else). PEOPLE LIKE YOU KEEP HITLER ALIVE. -- Bahman Koohestani Nixdorf Computer Canada, Ltd. bahman@nixtor uunet!jtsv16!geac!nixtor!bahman
malc@tahoe.unr.edu (Vampire In The Sun) (02/22/90)
In article <19568@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> dragon@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Sam Conway) writes: >I have received e-mail which has indicated that the initial posting about >the new "soc.culture.iranian" was intended as a joke. An inside joke, >it would seem, which makes it uniquely inappropriate to be posted to >a worldwide network. It's not an inside joke at all. Think about it for a while and you'll see. And once you've gotten the point, I think you may come to agree that the sentiments expressed are very appropriate indeed for distribution in a world- wide network... Malcolm L. Carlock malc@unrvax.unr.edu uunet!unrvax!malc -- "Dad, what's that building?" "That's an ancient Norman watchtower... where they would watch for Norman! They haven't spotted him yet..." -- actual conversation between my Dad & me
gae@computing-maths.cardiff.ac.uk (Geraint A Edwards) (02/23/90)
In article <132.25dffba9@sleepy.bmd.trw.com> tjarc@sleepy.bmd.trw.com writes: >[deleted bit about hostages in Iran] >Hasen't this shit gone on long enough? Until such time as the crisis is >resolved, I vote NO! I'm sorry to hear such a negative attitude. Those who wish to create S.C.I are not necessarily directly involved with the hostage-takers and are not all members or voters for the Iranian Govt by a long chalk. From the input to other S.C.* groups that I trace, these contributors comprise mostly of N.Americans who have an interest in the particular subject. Don't penalise people for things that are beyond their control: should the ng S.C.british have been setup whilst the British are in N.Ireland? I agree that the situation in Iran is terrible regarding hostages, but blaming & punishing others is my idea of reactionary tripe. Only trying to help, Geraint. JANet: gae@uk.ac.cf.cm
mbanan@bcsaic.UUCP (Mohsen Banan) (02/23/90)
In article <13134@cgl.ucsf.EDU> jamshid@maxwell.mmwb.ucsf.edu (Jamshid Naghizadeh) writes: >Once more I strongly support the creation of soc.culture.iranaian. >This topic has attracted more interest in recent weeks, in >view of the recent cultural upheaval in the southern republics >of the USSR. > >jamshid@maxwell.mmwb.ucsf.edu Me too. I stopped reading soc.culture.misc a few month ago. One of my friends mentioned about this soc.culture.iranian discussion, so I am back. My primary interest in this group is middle east and Iran. soc.culture.misc is too much to read particularly when some specific event becomes hot. Let's go for soc.culture.iranian. Me and lots of others like me get to read what we are interested in.
bradley@andromeda.rutgers.edu.rutgers.edu (Eugene Bradley) (02/23/90)
I also think it's time that USENET learned about Iranian culture, so count
my vote as *yes* for an _unmoderated_ soc.culture.iranian.
P.S. About my rec.sport.pro-wrestling query: this was my first posting to
this particular newsgroup.
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"What you gonna do...when Hulkamania, the Ultimate Challenge, Indiana U.
basketball, Usenet, and Eugene Bradley run wild on you?!?! Pant, pant...charleen@zodiac.ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) (02/23/90)
In article <Feb.22.18.14.01.1990.20702@galaxy.rutgers.edu> bradley@andromeda.rutgers.edu.UUCP (Eugene Bradley) writes: >I also think it's time that USENET learned about Iranian culture, so count >my vote as *yes* for an _unmoderated_ soc.culture.iranian. Repeat after me: posted votes do not count...posted votes do not count...posted votes do not count... Getting the hang of it yet? Considering the rash of posted votes for soc.culture.iranian, I'm beginning to sympathize with the guy who proposed that a posted vote cancels a later mailed vote. Discussion? Sure. Let's discuss soc.culture.iranian on its merits (or lack of them). But this stream of "me too!" posted votes is silly. Charleen -- Last night, I came home and realized that everything in my apartment had been stolen and replaced with an exact duplicate. I told this to my friend -- he said, `Do I know you?' -- Steven Wright
lewandow@sabertooth.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski (TA of Doom)) (02/23/90)
In article <414@peyote.cactus.org> mosley@peyote.cactus.org (Bob Mosley III) writes: >In article <6807@internal.Apple.COM>, zardoz@apple.com (The One Eyed Man) writes: >> Iranian culture...military justice...governmental restraint...jumbo >> shrimp... >> What to all these have in common? > >....they're part of John Byrne's new origin for Richie Rich? > Uh oh, this does not bode well for Richie's girlfriend... (What was her name anyway? Now I have to go check...) -- gary lewandow@cs.wisc.edu "Knowledge is a fractal." -- Samuel Bates