[news.groups] The comp.periphs groups

emv@math.lsa.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) (02/25/90)

Here's a possible charter for the "comp.periphs" groups,
comments etc welcome.  I've directed followup to news.groups
and to comp.periphs, but I'd welcome mail as well

comp.periphs.* is a generally place for discussion of computer
peripherals, generally things that you plug into or stick on top of a
computer, like keyboards, mice, monitors, printers, memory modules,
interface cards, modems, fax boards, disk drives, scanners, 
etc etc.

What is "peripheral" to a system and what is essential is an open
question.  Some vendors lock you into proprietary peripheral
equipment, so it's somewhat pointless to talk about peripherals that
can't plug into two different vendor's computer lines in a generic
newsgroup; better to discuss that topic in the relevant comp.sys
system specific group.  For instance comp.periphs.s-bus, for
discussion of things which plug into the S-BUS on the Sun Sparc-1,
isn't likely to work very well; it's too far away from the rest of the
relevant discussion of the matter to make for easy cross-reference.
Much better to put that group under comp.sys.sun.* or within
comp.sys.sun or somewhere around alt.sys.sun.  On the other hand,
comp.periphs.scsi, for discussion of things which plug into the SCSI
port on Suns, Decs, Macs, IBMs et al., is likely to work out rather
nicely, since there's common interest between owners of the various
SCSI peripherals.  Proprietary equipment has little place for its own
group in comp.periphs subgroups, though if you're trying to decode
what's going on with an obscure object the general group
(comp.periphs) is as good a place as any.

Here's my assessment of existing newsgroups relevant to the
comp.periphs.* groups that exist now, and how different 
topics are actually discussed now.

keyboards.  

	Keyboards for the input of text tend to be incompatible
between systems, so discussion usually falls into the appropriate
comp.sys or comp.sys.*.hardware group.  General discussion appropriate
across all systems, like how to repair keyboards, availability of
used or third-party devices, standards for layout, termcap or
3270 mappings, etc. are scattered.  

	Start a fight about how bad Dec keyboards are in
alt.religion.computers.  Bucky bits and alpha-meta-beta-bottlecap keys
in alt.folklore.computers.  Fixing keyboard layouts in comp.windows.x.
MIDI keyboards in rec.music.synth.  

mice.

	Same comments apply as to keyboards, including Dec mice.

printers.  

	There are two "printers" groups on the net right now,
comp.periphs.printers and comp.laser-printers.  There's some overlap
but no cross-posting, not a very good situation.  All of the material
in comp.laser-printers would be suitable for comp.periphs.printers,
but maybe half of the discussion in comp.periphs.printers is totally
non-laser.  (comp.laser-printers is also Laser-Lovers, a mailing list
run from Maryland.)

	For discussions of programming in Postscript, see the group
comp.lang.postscript.  For discussions of network printing protocols
(like 'lpr'), go fish -- this one's talked about all over the place.
Font discussions to comp.fonts.  Printer drivers to the appropriate
comp.sys group.  comp.graphics for printing image data, comp.text
groups for printing text.  sci.environment for recycling of all that
paper :-(.

memory modules.

	Will SIMM modules for a Mac work in a Sun?  What's the street
price of 4MB SIMMs?  If you want to find these things out ask your
vendor or hunt in the appropriate comp.sys group.  If you ask your
vendor it'll probably cost more.

interface cards.

	Vendor or system specific some times (see the S-BUS issue),
look in the comp.sys.* or comp.sys.*.hardware group.  For more generic
buses, it's possible that it makes sense to break off a separate
group, either in the comp.periphs area or a new comp.bus area.
For comp.bus I could see c.b.ieee-488, c.b.eisa, c.b.microchannel,
c.b.nubus, c.b.vmebus, c.b.futurebus etc.  Some of this happens
in comp.arch already, and the discussion has a lot of heavyweights;
you'd do worse by just reading the bus-of-interest articles in
comp.arch.  (fuzzy here I know, this came up during the scsi vote).

modems.

	These are arguably peripherals, though the discussion is
in comp.dcom.modems.  

fax.

	By analogy with the modems group this would go in dcom;
given an expected discussion of fax machines as peripheral to
computers (rather than say a discussion of the social implications
of faxing your lunch order) this could go in comp.periphs.  Right
now it's in alt.fax, the creator ducked the issue.

disk drives.

	The proper comp.sys or comp.sys.*.hardware group, or
a group like comp.periphs.scsi.

scanners.

	Go fish, probably a comp.sys group.

This is a pretty long list, use your imagination for others.
I think a few of these would pass a vote without too much
work given a stubborn group champion.

--Ed

Edward Vielmetti, U of Michigan math dept.