evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) (02/28/90)
Well, the vote is in.
FOR: 508
AGAINST: 38
My apologies to those whose votes may have bounced. Obviously, many
did made it through. I must admit I was pleasantly surprised at the
lack of controversy surrounding this issue.
After an appropriate waiting period, I'd ask Chuq to make the
necessary newgroup message, and set the appropriate mailpaths entries
to direct postings to "erotica@telly.on.ca".
The first posting will be an introduction. Following that, metlay has
graciously offered to inaugurate the group with a new, improved version
of the "Bandit" stories.
A number of points were raised during the vote:
NAME:
It was, in retrospect, a mistake for me to suggest a name change from
rec.arts.erotica to rec.arts.eros in mid-vote. I had hoped that this
kind of thing would have come up during the discussion period, but such
is life.
Regardless, the opinions received were predominently in favour of
"erotica". I won't try to put words in people's mouths, but the feeling
seemed to be that it's better to be honest about what we're doing than
to dance around the issue. Gawd knows I've had my fill of dishonest
group names...
OFFENSIVE POSTINGS/ROT13/CENSORSHIP:
I will do my best to put, in the Keywords: line, some small description
of the nature of the postings. Anything explicit will be rot13'd.
As for what to do if someone sends in another "Cindy's Torment", opinion
was very mixed.
- Some said "please don't post it at all, it's sure to get
*at least* that group yanked".
- Others said I have no right doing anything but keeping out the
blather and flames from alt.sex.
- One person put it another way (paraphrased): "If someone sent you
a detective story, would you post it? No. If someone sends you a story
of violence, you have no obligation to post it. If there is interest
in a group for violent stories, let someone create one."
It's certainly touchy, and I can't please everyone. I don't consider
this a censorship issue (please, let's not start one of THESE threads
again!), because there are many unmoderated groups in which there are
no limitations.
I intend to trust my own instincts, and to play it by ear. Thanks to all
who offered comments.
ALIASES:
As I said, no anonymous postings. But there were two replies to my
request for a site to maintain a list of confodential aliases, and I'm
looking for others. Details to follow.
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION:
Two posters from AT&T said if their system(s) carried rec.arts.erotica
that they'd be subject to affirmative action complaints from co-workers.
The analogy offered was to someone putting up a centrefold in his/her
office.
I believe a detailed and valid argument could be made against that
position, but I won't go into it here. If an erotica newsgroup is
supposed to be demeaning to women, why did most of the women who voted
said they wanted the group?
MAILING LIST:
There was interest expressed in creating a mailing list for those people
who won't be able to receive this as a newsgroup. I'm all in favour,
though I do not have the time or resources to maintain that here. Any
volunteers?
VOTER LIST:
YES - 508
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