nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) (04/05/90)
In article <1990Apr4.015351.25597@dasys1.uucp> mls@dasys1.uucp (Michael Siemon) writes: > >I'd like to request discussion towards creating a new group to be called >comp.windows.openlook, intended for programming and product discussions >of stuff built on the Open Look(*) X11 toolkit. The idea is to keep such *Which* Open Look X11 toolkit? XView or Xt+? The current move seems to be towards: comp.windows.x.motif comp.windows.x.xview presumably if there is demand you could do comp.windows.x.xt+ >My understanding is that comp.windows.x (a.k.a. xpert) is not easily >splittable, being in its primary incarnation not a USENET group at all, It is splitable in that a second mailing list can be created people can be redirected to use that for appropriate discussions. If comp.windows.x.motif is created I'll redirect it to/from the motif@alphalpha.com mailing list. Presumbably someone can do the same for xview/xt+ >but a mailing list maintained by the X Consortium people at MIT. It >seems to me to make sense to keep discussions of the specific toolkits >(as opposed to more generic software like the intrinsics, or XView) >out of xpert. Hence, if discussion seems favorable, I will run a vote Yes, but. XView isn't "more generic software". Did you mean to imply that it belonged in or out of the xpert mailing list? -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Alphalpha Software, Inc. | Voice/Fax: 617/646-7703 | Home: 617/641-3805 | | 148 Scituate St. | Smart fax, dial number. | | | Arlington, MA 02174 | Dumb fax, dial number, | BBS: 617/641-3722 | | nazgul@alphalpha.com | wait for ring, press 3. | 300/1200/2400 baud | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
niklas@appli.se (Niklas Hallqvist) (04/09/90)
In <1990Apr5.130434.11677@dasys1.uucp> Michael Siemon writes: > ... My > own preference is for a single openlook group, independent of the X11 > groups. Well, why not create a root group for Graphical User Interfaces (GUI) named comp.gui and make off-springs for every often-discussed GUI, like comp.gui.openlook, comp.gui.pm, comp.gui.mac etc.? This newsgroup structure would encapsulate "look and feel" discussions. In the root group would general GUI discussions reside, like "What feels best, multi-clicking on one mouse button vs. single-clicking on multiple mouse buttons?". Niklas
jdm@gssc.UUCP (John David Miller) (04/11/90)
Count my vote as a "yay" for an OPEN LOOK newsgroup. I will probably be a regular contributor, as my book on OPEN LOOK Toolkit programming is due out the first part of May: tm tm Title: An OPEN LOOK at UNIX: A Developer's Guide to X Author: John David Miller Publisher: M&T Publishing (publishers of Dr. Dobb's Journal) Topic: Comprehensive programming tour of the AT&T OPEN LOOK X Toolkit, including nearly 13,000 lines of C code. Ch 1 : Overview of the OPEN LOOK GUI as it affects app style Ch 2 : Concise summary of X from the app-developer's view Ch 3 : Intro to Object-Oriented Programming Ch 4 : App-developer's guide to the Xt Intrinsics Ch 5 : The OPEN LOOK widget and gadget set, demo'ing every one Ch 6 : Turning programs into real apps: ICCCM, Xrm, OL GUI Ap A : The Xtutil Utility Library: the things Xt forgot I worked on this book for over a year, and during that time watched OPEN LOOK evolve from a spec with a weak implementation to an extremely powerful and usable user- and programmer-interface. The folks at AT&T are to be commended on their outstanding work. Certainly, UI design is highly-subjective, but for my $.02, I prefer many OPEN LOOK UI policies to those of the NeXT machine I am using to type this. If you do buy the book, please feel free to contact me with any questions and comments. -- jdm -- John David Miller jdm@gss.com Graphic Software Systems uunet!gssc!jdm 9590 S.W. Gemini Dr. (503) 641-2200 (voice) Beaverton, OR 97005-7161 (503) 643-8642 (FAX)