rick@pavlov.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller) (03/16/91)
In article <-6%=NK-@rpi.edu> handhelds@vax.anes.tulane.edu writes: >CALL FOR VOTES: > >comp.sys.hp48 (moderated: source, informative postings) >comp.sys.hp48.d (unmoderated: general discussion) > I urge everyone to vote no for this proposal. 1) there has been no discussion about this proposal in news groups and I do not remember a RFD for a moderated group in news.announce.newgroups. If someone wants a group, follow the guidelines which include a discussion of the name and moderation status in news groups. 2) I oppose the moderation aspect. There is no need to moderate the group. Almost all other news groups in the comp.sys tree are unmoderated, this one should be 3) There is no need for a separate discussion group. I would like to have the proponents of the proposal withdraw this premature CFV and issue a real RFD [Request for Discussion] as the guidelines require. -- Richard H. Miller Email: rick@bcm.tmc.edu Asst. Dir. for Technical Support Voice: (713)798-3532 Baylor College of Medicine US Mail: One Baylor Plaza, 302H Houston, Texas 77030
streeter@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Kenneth B. Streeter) (03/16/91)
In article <4720@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> rick@pavlov.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller) writes: >In article <-6%=NK-@rpi.edu> handhelds@vax.anes.tulane.edu writes: >>CALL FOR VOTES: >> >>comp.sys.hp48 (moderated: source, informative postings) >>comp.sys.hp48.d (unmoderated: general discussion) >I urge everyone to vote no for this proposal. >1) there has been no discussion about this proposal in news groups and I >do not remember a RFD for a moderated group in news.announce.newgroups. If >someone wants a group, follow the guidelines which include a discussion of >the name and moderation status in news groups. There was a CFD issued in news.groups (or, at least in news.announce.newgroups) in excess of two weeks ago. The original CFD was crossposted to comp.sys.handhelds. Almost all of the ensuing discussion has taken place in comp.sys.handhelds, with only a few articles being crossposted to news.groups. The discussion in comp.sys.handhelds has been extensive (and heated at times.) The "consensus" (if one can call it that) from the discussion has been to create the above two newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48, and comp.sys.hp48.d The above two groups are being being suggested as a "splitoff" of comp.sys.handhelds. The hp48 is a "handheld" programmable calculator, although it is much more powerful than what one considers a typical programmable calculator to be -- in many ways it can be considered to be a handheld computer. In any case, the hp48 has generated significant traffic in comp.sys.handhelds, drowning out nearly everything else. These two new groups are being voted on to address this issue. The structure that is being voted on has been extensively discussed in comp.sys.handhelds -- the news users that are most directly concerned with the issue. If your site hasn't yet expired the original CFDs posted to news.announce.newgroups, you will see the original CFD there. The fact that the discussion migrated to comp.sys.handhelds, and that you missed the crossposts to news.groups could be because the raging rec.music.christian discussion in news.groups drowned it out. In much the same way as the c.s.h.hp48 discussion was overwhelmed by r.m.c, hp48 discussions have drowned out other traffic in comp.sys.handhelds. To permit comp.sys.handhelds to once again become a forum for "miscellaneous" handhelds, a vote for comp.sys.hp48 is strongly encouraged. -- Kenneth B. Streeter | ARPA: streeter@im.lcs.mit.edu MIT LCS, Room NE43-350 | UUCP: ...!uunet!im.lcs.mit.edu!streeter 545 Technology Square | (617) 253-2614 (work) Cambridge, MA 02139 | (617) 225-2249 (home)
streeter@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Kenneth B. Streeter) (03/16/91)
In article <4720@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> rick@pavlov.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller) writes: >In article <-6%=NK-@rpi.edu> handhelds@vax.anes.tulane.edu writes: >>CALL FOR VOTES: >> >>comp.sys.hp48 (moderated: source, informative postings) >>comp.sys.hp48.d (unmoderated: general discussion) >I urge everyone to vote no for this proposal. >1) there has been no discussion about this proposal in news groups and I >do not remember a RFD for a moderated group in news.announce.newgroups. If >someone wants a group, follow the guidelines which include a discussion of >the name and moderation status in news groups. There was a CFD issued in news.groups (or, at least in news.announce.newgroups) in excess of two weeks ago. The original CFD was crossposted to comp.sys.handhelds. Almost all of the ensuing discussion has taken place in comp.sys.handhelds, with only a few articles being crossposted to news.groups. The discussion in comp.sys.handhelds has been extensive (and heated at times.) The "consensus" (if one can call it that) from the discussion has been to create the above two newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48, and comp.sys.hp48.d The above two groups are being being suggested as a "splitoff" of comp.sys.handhelds. The hp48 is a "handheld" programmable calculator, although it is much more powerful than what one considers a typical programmable calculator to be -- in many ways it can be considered to be a handheld computer. In any case, the hp48 has generated significant traffic in comp.sys.handhelds, drowning out nearly everything else. These two new groups are being voted on to address this issue. The structure that is being voted on has been extensively discussed in comp.sys.handhelds -- the news users that are most directly concerned with the issue. If your site hasn't yet expired the original CFDs posted to news.announce.newgroups, you will see the original CFD there. The fact that the discussion migrated to comp.sys.handhelds, and that you missed the crossposts to news.groups could be because the raging rec.music.christian discussion in news.groups drowned it out. In much the same way as the c.s.h.hp48 discussion was overwhelmed by r.m.c, hp48 discussions have drowned out other traffic in comp.sys.handhelds. To permit comp.sys.handhelds to once again become a forum for "miscellaneous" handhelds, a vote for comp.sys.hp48 is strongly encouraged. -- Kenneth B. Streeter | ARPA: streeter@im.lcs.mit.edu MIT LCS, Room NE43-350 | UUCP: ...!uunet!im.lcs.mit.edu!streeter 545 Technology Square | (617) 253-2614 (work) Cambridge, MA 02139 | (617) 225-2249 (home)
rick@pavlov.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller) (03/16/91)
In article <1991Mar15.193522.21919@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> streeter@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Kenneth B. Streeter) writes: > >There was a CFD issued in news.groups (or, at least in >news.announce.newgroups) in excess of two weeks ago. The original CFD >was crossposted to comp.sys.handhelds. Almost all of the ensuing >discussion has taken place in comp.sys.handhelds, with only a few >articles being crossposted to news.groups. The discussion in >comp.sys.handhelds has been extensive (and heated at times.) The >"consensus" (if one can call it that) from the discussion has been to >create the above two newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48, and comp.sys.hp48.d Yes, I remember that discussion and then it disappeared. Now we see a call for vote on a topic which the net at large [or those who follow such things in the appropriate news.groups] has had no input on. It has been blindly presented to us and we are expected to vote on it. Wrong! What you should have done us what the people in comp.sys.amiga did. They had the discussion within their own news group and when they had reached a [sort/of] consensus on what they wanted to do, a long Call for Discussion was placed in news.announce.newgroups and additional discussion was held with the rest of the interested parties. The Call for Vote was then issued about a month later and it passed. What you should do it cancel the CFV and put out a new RFD with a summary of the discussion within comp.sys.handhelds. Then allow people who have other interests to participate in the discussion. A blind CFV with no frame of reference is a very bad mistake. As I said, I believe that you probably have a case for splitting the group but the specifics need to be discussed. -- Richard H. Miller Email: rick@bcm.tmc.edu Asst. Dir. for Technical Support Voice: (713)798-3532 Baylor College of Medicine US Mail: One Baylor Plaza, 302H Houston, Texas 77030