kent@sparky.IMD.Sterling.COM (Kent Landfield) (03/19/91)
At the Dallas USENIX conference the first Archivists BOF was held. I don't think it will be the last either. :-) During the BOF it was decided that a mailing list or newsgroup should be setup so that discussions about archive management could continue. Several complained that their mailboxes were too full already so let's do it in a newsgroup... :-) ******************************************** CALL FOR DISCUSSION ------- comp.archives.d ******************************************** Newsgroup Name: comp.archives.d Moderator: none This is a CALL FOR DISCUSSION concerning creating the newsgroup comp.archives.d. The purpose of the newsgroup is to give the community a forum for discussions relating to archives and archiving topics. Examples of potential topics to be discussed in comp.archives.d : Managing FTP archives, Tools for managing archive sites, Using archive sites, Archive User Interface issues, Archiving generated problems, Mail based archive servers, Future of archiving The discussion will occur in news.groups and will be culminated in a formal call for votes if there is no outstanding opposition on 4/17/91. ~ -- Kent Landfield INTERNET: kent@sparky.IMD.Sterling.COM Sterling Software, IMD UUCP: uunet!sparky!kent Phone: (402) 291-8300 FAX: (402) 291-4362 Please send comp.sources.misc-related mail to kent@uunet.uu.net.
emv@ox.com (Ed Vielmetti) (03/19/91)
In article <1991Mar18.221702.11225@sparky.IMD.Sterling.COM> kent@sparky.IMD.Sterling.COM (Kent Landfield) writes:
This is a CALL FOR DISCUSSION concerning creating the newsgroup
comp.archives.d.
yea!
Examples of potential topics to be discussed in comp.archives.d :
Managing FTP archives, Tools for managing archive sites,
Using archive sites, Archive User Interface issues,
Archiving generated problems, Mail based archive servers,
Future of archiving
also
discovering archive sites,
searching internet catalogs of archive information,
intercontinental coordination & mirroring,
newsgroup archives, indexes, searching and retrieval
i'm all for it.
--
Msen Edward Vielmetti
/|--- moderator, comp.archives
emv@msen.com
bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield) (03/20/91)
In article <1991Mar18.221702.11225@sparky.IMD.Sterling.COM> kent@sparky.IMD.Sterling.COM (Kent Landfield) writes:
During the [first Archivists] BOF [at the Dallas USENIX] it was
decided that a mailing list or newsgroup should be setup so that
discussions about archive management could continue. Several
complained that their mailboxes were too full already so let's do
it in a newsgroup... :-)
The forum is a good idea, and the proposed content is a good idea. I
look forward to participating. I expect some lively "discussions" (is
that a nice way to put it? :-)
However, the level of traffic is yet unknown, as is the number of
participants (both posters and listeners). Please establish a mailing
list first, to demonstrate the need. If the traffic does indeed
overwhelm our mailboxes, and if there are plenty of subscribers, then
we'll have a strong case for a Usenet newsgroup.ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) (03/20/91)
In article <1991Mar18.221702.11225@sparky.IMD.Sterling.COM> kent@sparky.IMD.Sterling.COM (Kent Landfield) writes: : > >This is a CALL FOR DISCUSSION concerning creating the newsgroup comp.archives.d. > >The purpose of the newsgroup is to give the community a forum for discussions >relating to archives and archiving topics. : Personally I am (naturally) all for this as a moderator of an FTP site. But pros and cons, anyone, if you (we) please? One question that comes to mind, is that will this topic be of sufficient general interest (I sure hope so), or is it still too specific. ................................................................... Prof. Timo Salmi Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.12.37 School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun
xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) (03/20/91)
This sounds like an excellent idea; like the recently created comp.compression, this is another group which would serve the net by its very existance. Kent, the man from xanth. <xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us>
datta@vacs.uwp.wisc.edu (David Datta) (03/20/91)
I feel a newsgroup dedicated to archiving topics would be a good thing to have, in addition to the items listed by Ed Vielmetti and Kent Landfield, it would be a good place for: A Generic FTP-How To Normalizing/genericizing archive structures -- -Dave datta@vacs.uwp.edu [....uwm!uwpvacs!datta] The moon goes around in orbit. It's the only place the moon does go. The moon only makes left turns. To get anywhere else you have to get off. WANT TO GET OFF?
zoo@aps1.spa.umn.edu (david d [zoo] zuhn) (03/20/91)
>>>>> On 19 Mar 91 16:35:56 GMT, bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield) said:
Bob> However, the level of traffic is yet unknown, as is the number of
Bob> participants (both posters and listeners). Please establish a mailing
Bob> list first, to demonstrate the need. If the traffic does indeed
Bob> overwhelm our mailboxes, and if there are plenty of subscribers, then
Bob> we'll have a strong case for a Usenet newsgroup.
Well, as one potentially interested reader/contributor, I would ask
that it not be a mailing list. I also have more mail that I like to
deal with so I would not be a participant in the list. I would
probably be a part of the group.
david d [zoo] zuhn Univ. of Minnesota Dept. of Astronomy
zoo@aps1.spa.umn.edu Automated Plate Scanner Projectsrc@scuzzy.in-berlin.de (Heiko Blume) (03/21/91)
ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: >Personally I am (naturally) all for this as a moderator of an FTP >site. But pros and cons, anyone, if you (we) please? One question >that comes to mind, is that will this topic be of sufficient general >interest (I sure hope so), or is it still too specific. at least it would be a place for a FAQ posting on how to obtain what from where, how to do it most efficiently. for instance several people here ftp'ed the isode package (7MB) from overseas because of lack of coordination and 'authoritive' archive sites. also the United Archivers (TM) might manage to convince source posters to FINALLY assign version/patchlevel numbers to EVERY piece of software... -- Heiko Blume <-+-> src@scuzzy.in-berlin.de <-+-> (+49 30) 691 88 93 public UNIX source archive [HST V.42bis]: scuzzy Any ACU,f 38400 6919520 gin:--gin: nuucp sword: nuucp uucp scuzzy!/src/README /your/home
QQ11@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK (Alan Thew) (03/23/91)
In article <EMV.91Mar18215712@poe.aa.ox.com>, emv@ox.com (Ed Vielmetti) says: > >In article <1991Mar18.221702.11225@sparky.IMD.Sterling.COM> >kent@sparky.IMD.Sterling.COM (Kent Landfield) writes: > > This is a CALL FOR DISCUSSION concerning creating the newsgroup > comp.archives.d. > ..... > discovering archive sites, > searching internet catalogs of archive information, > intercontinental coordination & mirroring, > newsgroup archives, indexes, searching and retrieval > >i'm all for it. .... a regular FAQ would be vital and sensible for this type of group....
kent@sparky.IMD.Sterling.COM (Kent Landfield) (03/24/91)
Bill Davidsen writes in article <3279@crdos1.crd.ge.COM> >It should be clarified if this is to be a group for ftp topics only, or >to include mail servers and anonymous uucp topics as well. The comments >have sort of ftp this and ftp that. From the CFD: # Examples of potential topics to be discussed in comp.archives.d : # # Managing FTP archives, Tools for managing archive sites, # Using archive sites, Archive User Interface issues, # Archiving generated problems, Mail based archive servers, # Future of archiving Ed Vielmetti writes in article <EMV.91Mar18215712@poe.aa.ox.com> # also # discovering archive sites, # searching internet catalogs of archive information, # intercontinental coordination & mirroring, # newsgroup archives, indexes, searching and retrieval David Datta writes in article <10360@uwm.edu> # # A Generic FTP-How To # Normalizing/genericizing archive structures ... as well as two other methods that have not been brought up yet, UUCP and NFS accessable archives and the methods for establishing and maintaining them. The idea is to discuss archives in general, FTP, UUCP, NFS, Mail-based servers. It is not focused on a single type of archive access. Many maintain archives as corporate resources with no external access outside of their companies. All are welcomed to participate. I hope this clarifies any confusion on the focus of the group. -Kent+ -- Kent Landfield INTERNET: kent@sparky.IMD.Sterling.COM Sterling Software, IMD UUCP: uunet!sparky!kent Phone: (402) 291-8300 FAX: (402) 291-4362 Please send comp.sources.misc-related mail to kent@uunet.uu.net.
w8sdz@rigel.acs.oakland.edu (Keith Petersen) (03/26/91)
I hope the proposed comp.archives.d isn't treated by the readers as another comp.sources.wanted. The last thing most archive administrators need is a steady stream of messages asking if such-and-such program is in their archives, when the user could find out by downloading the latest index of said archive. Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of SIMTEL20's MSDOS, MISC & CP/M archives [IP address 26.2.0.74] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil or w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND
scott@kong.gatech.edu (Scott Coulter) (03/26/91)
In article <5521@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w8sdz@rigel.acs.oakland.edu (Keith Petersen) writes: >I hope the proposed comp.archives.d isn't treated by the readers as another >comp.sources.wanted. The last thing most archive administrators need >is a steady stream of messages asking if such-and-such program is in >their archives, when the user could find out by downloading the latest >index of said archive. > >Keith I've lost the original message, but wasn't the proposal for a moderated group? If not, it should be. That would keep the group as one strictly for discussion of archive maintenance, and filter out requests for programs, etc. Scott D. Coulter "Nose against the grindstone, scott@cc.gatech.edu it feels real good; watch out! Georgia Tech Software Research Center it's Dog Eat Dog..." Weird Al