[comp.sys.intel] i486 with Netware 386

ALG106@psuvm.psu.edu (02/12/91)

The company I work for was thinking of getting a new fileserver -
we currently have a 33MHz 386.  We were thinking of a 33MHz 486 EISA
bus machine.  However, someone told us that the i486 has a bug in it
that shows up only when running Netware.

First of all, is this true?  If so, are there plans to fix it?

Any suggestions you may have on a new fileserver would be helpful -
we were thinking of getting 2 1Gig drives (fault tolerance).

                                Andy

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6600sirt@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Mike O'Brien) (02/13/91)

From article <91042.192216ALG106@psuvm.psu.edu>, by ALG106@psuvm.psu.edu:
> The company I work for was thinking of getting a new fileserver -
> we currently have a 33MHz 386.  We were thinking of a 33MHz 486 EISA
> bus machine.  However, someone told us that the i486 has a bug in it
> that shows up only when running Netware.
> 
> First of all, is this true?  If so, are there plans to fix it?
> 
> Any suggestions you may have on a new fileserver would be helpful -
> we were thinking of getting 2 1Gig drives (fault tolerance).
>

There were bugs in the early versions of both the i386 chip and the
i486 chip that affected Netware.  Netware checks for bugs in your
CPU whenever you boot it.  However, these bugs were fixed a long time
ago, so if you buy a new 486 now, you will have no problem.

Note that Netware 386 actually contains optimizations for a 486, so
there is quite a large difference in speed between Netware 386 on a
386 and on a 486.  Our Logix 486/25 file server gets a speed rating
(from the Netware 386 SPEED command) of 686!

Finally, if you plan to use more than 16 MB of memory on your server,
make sure you get an EISA machine as opposed to an ISA one.  Otherwise
Netware will not recognize the extra memory.

Mike O'Brien
6600sirt@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu

mallsop@suna.mqcc.mq.oz.au (Mark Allsop) (02/13/91)

In article <9057@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600sirt@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu writes:
>From article <91042.192216ALG106@psuvm.psu.edu>, by ALG106@psuvm.psu.edu:

<stuff deleted>

>Note that Netware 386 actually contains optimizations for a 486, so
>there is quite a large difference in speed between Netware 386 on a
>386 and on a 486.  Our Logix 486/25 file server gets a speed rating
>(from the Netware 386 SPEED command) of 686!

Could someone let me know the speed rating for a 386 server?  We also have
a 486 server and I'd be interested to know the difference.

Cheers,
+Mark.

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ckinsman@eecs.wsu.edu (Chris Kinsman - EE major) (02/14/91)

In article <1202@macuni.mqcc.mq.oz> mallsop@suna.mqcc.mq.oz.au (Mark Allsop) writes:
>In article <9057@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600sirt@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu writes:
>>From article <91042.192216ALG106@psuvm.psu.edu>, by ALG106@psuvm.psu.edu:
>
><stuff deleted>
>
>>Note that Netware 386 actually contains optimizations for a 486, so
>>there is quite a large difference in speed between Netware 386 on a
>>386 and on a 486.  Our Logix 486/25 file server gets a speed rating
>>(from the Netware 386 SPEED command) of 686!
>
>Could someone let me know the speed rating for a 386 server?  We also have
>a 486 server and I'd be interested to know the difference.
>
we have a 16Mhz Model 70 and it rates a 120.

Chris

dwd@usenet.umr.edu (Dan DeNise) (02/14/91)

In article <1202@macuni.mqcc.mq.oz> mallsop@suna.mqcc.mq.oz.au (Mark Allsop) writes:
>
>Could someone let me know the speed rating for a 386 server?  We also have
>a 486 server and I'd be interested to know the difference.
>
>Cheers,
>+Mark.

All 6 of our 33Mhz 386s get a rating of 319.

Dan DeNise
Computing Services
University of Missouri-Rolla
Missouri's Technological University
c0016@umrvmb.umr.edu

heflin@cod.NOSC.MIL (Greg R. Heflin) (02/14/91)

I have a noname, unknown 386 w/coprocessor SPEED ratting of 316.
(The computer is in a tower configuration, but was put together from
pieces by someother people here.)

-gregory heflin
NAVELEX,SD
-- 

-gregory  Just my two cents which shouldn't make a flame,
	  unless you rub them real hard.

samba@sm.sony.co.jp (Masaaki Hoshino) (02/14/91)

In article <1202@macuni.mqcc.mq.oz>, mallsop@suna.mqcc.mq.oz.au (Mark Allsop) writes:
> In article <9057@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600sirt@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu writes:
> >From article <91042.192216ALG106@psuvm.psu.edu>, by ALG106@psuvm.psu.edu:
> 
> <stuff deleted>
> 
> >Note that Netware 386 actually contains optimizations for a 486, so
> >there is quite a large difference in speed between Netware 386 on a
> >386 and on a 486.  Our Logix 486/25 file server gets a speed rating
> >(from the Netware 386 SPEED command) of 686!
> 
> Could someone let me know the speed rating for a 386 server?  We also have
> a 486 server and I'd be interested to know the difference.
> 
> Cheers,
> +Mark.
> 

Our server machine's speed rating for a 386 server are as follows.

	Model Name		 Specification			Speed rate
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Sony PCX-700DR7		486 33MHz EISA Bus    SCSI 670M HD         915
Sony PCX-300E62		386sx 16Mhz ISA Bus   SCSI 250M HD	   102

Thank you.


						Masaaki Hoshino
						samba@sm.sony.co.jp
						Engineer
						System Engineering Div.
						Supermicro System Group
						Sony Corporation
						Tokyo, Japan	

kenh@techbook.com (Ken Haynes) (02/15/91)

In article <91042.192216ALG106@psuvm.psu.edu> ALG106@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>The company I work for was thinking of getting a new fileserver -
>we currently have a 33MHz 386.  We were thinking of a 33MHz 486 EISA
>bus machine.  However, someone told us that the i486 has a bug in it
>that shows up only when running Netware.
>
>First of all, is this true?  If so, are there plans to fix it?
>
>Any suggestions you may have on a new fileserver would be helpful -
>we were thinking of getting 2 1Gig drives (fault tolerance).
>

There are several i486 systems that are approved for use as a NW fileserver.
Two are 33 Mhz, last I checked.  Most are 25Mhz.  There are reported 
problems using Bustech SCSI controllers on 486 systems running NW 3.1 with
two differing types of ethernet NICs.  So far, we haven't been able to 
isolate the problem to any one device in the machine, but we suspect the
Bustech controller, since we have had other reports as well.  Be sure
to check the IMSP bulletins for approved hardware configurations first.

Ken


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Amit.Patel@p0.f512.n157.z1.fidonet.org (Amit Patel) (02/20/91)

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root@xstor.com (Superuser) (03/22/91)

In article <1991Feb15.142012.1978@techbook.com> kenh@techbook.com (Ken Haynes) writes:
>There are several i486 systems that are approved for use as a NW fileserver.
>Two are 33 Mhz, last I checked.  Most are 25Mhz.  There are reported 
>problems using Bustech SCSI controllers on 486 systems running NW 3.1 with
>two differing types of ethernet NICs.  So far, we haven't been able to 
>isolate the problem to any one device in the machine, but we suspect the
>Bustech controller, since we have had other reports as well.

I'm about to invest in a Compaq Systempro, and I intended to use the
Bustech Controller with some Seagate Elite drives.  Anything else I should
know before I try to go live?

David Potter, Network Administrator Storage Dimensions
dpotter@xstor.com
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408/879-3368  FAX: 408/879-3382