ellis@spar.UUCP (Michael Ellis) (05/17/86)
In article <1045@tektools.UUCP> steves@tektools.UUCP (steve shellans) writes: >In article <319@ulowell.UUCP> dobro@ulowell.UUCP (Chet Dobro) writes: >>The time has come when I have stopped asking for a "net.psi" and are going >>to do something about it. >Count me in. This might as well go to net.news.group too, since that's how such matters are done. The DrivelNet has needed a net.psi for years. How do you suppose Mr. Gwyn feels having net.sci filled with parapsychology debates? We must purge heretical doctrines from techie sanctuaries so that scientismo-behaviorrhea may wax eternally! Would you expose your Science fearing, calculator wielding progeny to the influence of mystics, psychokineticists, 60's burnouts, astral geometers, Seth enthusiasts, Santa Cruz metaphysicians, Bohmian holists, and psychotronic vibrationists? Of course not! Here are three votes for net.psi -- counting Sunny, that's four. -michael Kierkegaard identified faith with "subjectivity", a subjectivity that is the dialectical negation of the "objectivity" that has progressively and decisively evolved in history. The act of faith is a reversal of profane history. -Thomas Altizer
bzs@bu-cs.UUCP (Barry Shein) (05/19/86)
I'd be glad to see net.psi or whatever have a home. I would just like to comment that from what I have seen in net.sci etc on the topic notes like Michael Ellis': > Would you expose your Science fearing, calculator wielding progeny > to the influence of mystics, psychokineticists, 60's burnouts, > astral geometers, Seth enthusiasts, Santa Cruz metaphysicians, > Bohmian holists, and psychotronic vibrationists? Of course not! Are typical of what has been seen, contentless rhetoric that's hard to take seriously. Has it ever occurred to some of the PSI folks that you've been derided not because the readers are unreasonable but because most of the notes you present to the audience constitute completely incompetent drivel and most of us have seen far better on the subject that we have disagreed with (or agreed with?) Presuming oppression or parochialism is such a comfortable and puerile position to create for yourself (Hey, look MA! we're misunderstood! We *must* be right!) I for one am sympathetic to PSI, I just think a discussion of even the most minimal quality has yet to get started, as far as I can see all we get is a bunch of defensive psycho-babble with a few laced together buzzwords all of a distinctly adolescent bent (like the above quote.) I've spent years speaking with people and reading about subjects like Crowley, the Kabbala (I was raised by "Kabbalists"), PSI etc, nah, I haven't seen anything yet on these lists worthy of discussion, the quality is zip. You has met the enemy...and it is youse... -Barry Shein, Boston University Lorre: You know Rick, sometimes I think you don't like me Bogey: If I ever thought about you I probably wouldn't
dobro@ulowell.UUCP (Chet Dobro) (05/31/86)
In article <639@bu-cs.UUCP> bzs@bu-cs.UUCP (Barry Shein) writes: > >Has it ever occurred to some of the PSI folks that you've been derided >not because the readers are unreasonable but because most of the notes >you present to the audience constitute completely incompetent drivel >and most of us have seen far better on the subject that we have disagreed >with (or agreed with?) Presuming oppression or parochialism is such >a comfortable and puerile position to create for yourself (Hey, look MA! >we're misunderstood! We *must* be right!) That's one of the points that I plan to bring up in my first posting. > >I for one am sympathetic to PSI, I just think a discussion of even the >most minimal quality has yet to get started, as far as I can see all we >get is a bunch of defensive psycho-babble with a few laced together >buzzwords all of a distinctly adolescent bent (like the above quote.) That is going to be one of the major uses for the group: the comparison and finalizing of defintions. The determining of criterion, etc. > >I've spent years speaking with people and reading about subjects like >Crowley, the Kabbala (I was raised by "Kabbalists"), PSI etc, nah, I >haven't seen anything yet on these lists worthy of discussion, the quality >is zip. > Well, we'll see... Gryphon