[comp.unix.xenix] Microport - Man or Myth?

chuck@uport.UUCP (Chuck Hickey) (10/16/87)

                           People's UNIX -
                         Now More Than Ever
                      

       Recently Microport received a few critical comments on the
       net about our policies. These comments are appreciated and
       have been used by us in shaping our new policys.  In just
       the last few weeks we have made so many improvements in our
       products, and policys that I'd like to take the time here to
       fill you all in.

       The Microport philosophy from day one, has been to sell the
       high quality AT&T/Intel standard UNIX systems at a price
       that any software developer could afford.  Just barely a
       year ago we were ten guys in a garage.  Now we are over
       fifty people and we are shipping thousands of units a month
       world-wide. For the past six months or so this
       transition has been a real strain.  We've added so many new
       products, and our installed base has grown so quickly that
       it would have been a real miracle if we hadn't gotten in
       over our head in shipments and support.  We simply haven't
       been able to order phone lines, by product materials, and add
       support people fast enough.  During the startup phase, our
       primary goal was to be first to market with the latest
       products.  We are now passing out of the startup phase, into
       a more mature growth phase, where improving the quality of
       our products and services and the efficiency of our
       operation is the primary goal.

       To accelerate this process we are relying on a tried and
       true method:  Top-notch management, lots of capital, and a
       dedicated and well trained work force.  Starting just last
       month we've added three grey-haired veterans in key areas,
       and have begun a major upgrade of our operations.
       None of these guys know the C declaration for a pointer to a function
       that returns a pointer to a function, in fact they don't know C at
       all, but they know alot about running a software business.

       The most notable addition to our staff is Ted Ferguson as VP
       of marketing, with over twenty years of experience.  Ted was
       one of the first real UNIX marketing people, being involved
       with Onyx on the very first commercial port of UNIX to a
       micro.  He has quickly assembled a product marketing team to
       refine the quality and completeness of every product in our
       offering.  In just the last two weeks, one of his new
       product managers has worked closely with engineering,
       support and shipping, to make sure that the product we ship
       contains the latest revision of the software, properly
       tested and packaged.  We've never had this type of
       coordination before.

       Another new key player is Stan Phillips, also a twenty year
       veteran of this industry.  Stan, with his military
       background, is whipping our shipping, support, and order
       taking operations in line.  One of his recent
       accomplishments has been automating our inventory control
       system.  For the first time we now are generating daily back
       order reports which we are using to dramatically decrease
       our back-order situation.  To this team I've also added Don
       Fluken as CFO, a twenty five year veteran, and one of the
       top finance people in the Silicon Valley.  Early in his
       career at Ford he ran entire factories.  Don was responsible
       for straightening out many of the same problems when he was
       at Micropro as their staff increased from thirty to over
       five hundred people and sales increased twenty fold.

       The issue of support is a key one, and we are hustling to
       improve the quality of support.  As the first step, 800
       number toll-free support has been restored to support
       contract customers. We have added additional 800 telephone
       lines, and will be further expanding the Support Staff.
       More formal and comprehensive update policies are now in
       place as well.

       These changes are just the beginning of a new, more
       business-like Microport.  The vision hasn't changed - real
       UNIX at a reasonable price.  Turning this concept into a
       well run business just involves more hard work.

       I am interested in hearing your comments, particularly if in
       the past you have had problems with our products or our
       support.  Since I am on the road a lot, and cannot always
       access the net, feel free to call me with your comments at
       800/722-8649 or in California 800/822-8649.


       Charles Hickey
       President and Founder
       Microport Systems, Inc.

roy@phri.UUCP (Roy Smith) (10/16/87)

In article <163@uport.UUCP> chuck@uport.UUCP (Chuck Hickey) writes:
>                            People's UNIX -
>                          Now More Than Ever

	Isn't this type of material better suited to the corporate
background sheet that goes out in the promo folder along with the 4-color
glossy literature?  Since it seems that you are selling a new product
(namely new and improved corporate management), maybe I could see myself
stretching the limits of my imagination and just barely approving of this
on comp.newprod.  But on unix-wizards?  Give me a break!

	BTW, if Microport really is selling "People's UNIX", maybe they
should call it Bolshevix?
-- 
Roy Smith, {allegra,cmcl2,philabs}!phri!roy
System Administrator, Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016

mikep@ism780c.UUCP (Michael A. Petonic) (10/18/87)

In article <163@uport.UUCP> chuck@uport.UUCP (Chuck Hickey) writes:
>
>                           People's UNIX -
>                         Now More Than Ever
>                      
>
>       Recently Microport received a few critical comments on the
>       net about our policies. These comments are appreciated and
>       have been used by us in shaping our new policys.  In just
>       the last few weeks we have made so many improvements in our
>       products, and policys that I'd like to take the time here to
>       fill you all in.
>
>	[ blatant plugs deleted for brevity ]
>
>       Charles Hickey
>       President and Founder
>       Microport Systems, Inc.


After sifting through about 2K of raves for Chuck Hickey, I wondered
"Where's the beef."  People have real problems that they posted 
on the net in hopes for a response from people who had encountered
the problem and solved it.  Now Chuck comes on with a blatant plug
for his company.  

Note that this is one of the few times that I'm going to include
a disclaimer at the bottom of my article.  I feel that it's important
to know that I am speaking as a normal hacker as opposed to one
who works for INTERACTIVE Systems.  All of these opinions are mine
and not necessarily held by my boss nor his [ nor his ...].  If
I get fired for this, it's worth it.  I have to get this off of
my chest.

**** FLAME ON ****
We don't read comp.unix.wizards in order to understand the
organizational chart of MicroPort.  We come for information.
I try to keep out of it as much as possible, but this is too
much.  I also don't try to mention our products unless there's
a need to.

Now, on to some vehament flaming!

I've seen articles around various trade magazines  (ex, UNIX World)
that were run by Microport.  In one section they say (and I
quote) : "System V/386...developed specifically for the 386 by AT&T, 
Intel and Microport . . ."  I think the only thing that MicroPort
put into that product is their drivers.  In fact, some of the
other engineers around here posted the article on the bulletin
board for some laughs.  

What did I work on for the last X months?  Graffiti?  I was
under the impression that the hacking that I was doing at
INTERACTIVE was going into the "Official" port of 386 UNIX.
Did someone lie to me?

After all, it's pretty much common knowledge that INTERACTIVE
Systems Corp. of Santa Monica did the work for the official 
INTEL 80386 Port of UNIX System V, release 3.  To my understanding,
it's the one that all others are based off of.

If only the drivers are Microport's, then I think there should
be a *note at the bottom of the ad.  The ad gives the impression
that INTEL payed bucks to Microport to port the Operating System.
In short, it verges on blatant lies.

**** FLAME OFF ****

I don't dislike Microport.  I can understand their situation, trying
to make a name for themselves in the marketplace, etc.  But by
putting information in advertisements that may lead people into
thinking the wrong thing is too far.  Also, putting blatant plugs
into the Net is something that is uncalled for.  

Have you noticed that I haven't said our product is better or anything?  
I can't make that decision, only the buyer can.  Just because
or product really is better, doesn't mean anthing (ouch :-). ^W
Ooops, it seems that vi doesn't want to cooperate and my line
remains.  Oh well.


Ahhh, that felt good.

-MikeP
Member of the Technical Staff		213-453-8649  x3187
INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
2401 Colorado Blvd.
Santa Monica, CA. 90404.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= DISCLAIMER -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
The views that I expressed in my violent flame were just mine.  I'm just
reading the net and havin' fun.  No one put me up to it (what's that?
My twenty bucks?  Ok, I'll take it now.) and I can't guarentee that
anyone else here agrees with it, but that's the chance I take.

gk@kksys.UUCP (0000-Greg Kemnitz) (10/18/87)

In article <2964@phri.UUCP> roy@phri.UUCP (Roy Smith) writes:
>In article <163@uport.UUCP> chuck@uport.UUCP (Chuck Hickey) writes:
                 (content of Mr. Hickey's posting deleted)
>	Isn't this type of material better suited to the corporate
>background sheet that goes out in the promo folder along with the 4-color
>glossy literature?  Since it seems that you are selling a new product
>(namely new and improved corporate management), maybe I could see myself
>stretching the limits of my imagination and just barely approving of this
>on comp.newprod.  But on unix-wizards?  Give me a break!

(flame on)

Normally I would have to agree with you on this, but in this case I
think the large amount of "Microport-bashing" that has gone on in
these newsgroups recently justifies his posting.  After all, he *was*
trying to explain that they are working to resolve their internal
difficulties and be more responsive to the user community.

The recent discussions about bugs in the Microport product, while no
doubt correct, and certainly useful to readers of these news groups,
unfortunately have the potential for doing a great deal of harm to a
company who, based on Mr. Hickey's comments, is making a legitimate
effort to improve.  

Agreed, they *have* had problems with their product.  Many of these
problems are reported to be fixed in their latest release (2.3, which
is now available).  Many people are citing the existance of these
*fixed* problems as a reason *not* to purchase their product.  More
have accused them of not being responsive to users needs, in many
cases complaining about the very issues he addresses.

The man has a right to respond to criticism, IN THE FORUM IN WHICH THE
CRITICISM IS DELIVERED.

(flame off)

Please, don't condemn Microport's product without rationally considering
all the pluses and minuses, and CHECKING THE CURRENT STATUS of the
comments.  Things -DO- change.

>	BTW, if Microport really is selling "People's UNIX", maybe they
>should call it Bolshevix?

It appears you forgot the 'smiley' at the end of the last line... :-)


DIsclaimer:  I have no association with Microport other than as a
relatively satisfied user who has gone through h*ll dealing with a
company suffering growing pains, and has generally found them making a
sincere effort to fix their problems.  Now, if only they could get our
backordered Merge/286 on the way to us!  (1/2 :-) , they say they lost
track of the order and promised it would ship last Thursday)

Followups to alt.flame, please...
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Dion_L_Johnson@cup.portal.com (10/19/87)

Roy Smith  writes, speaking about the Microport president's comments
in this forum:
  "Isn't this type of material better suited to the corporate
  background sheet .....
  maybe I could see myself just barely approving of this
  on comp.newprod.  But on unix-wizards?  Give me a break!"

I think it was very much in order for Mr. Hickey to answer in this
forum, since it was here that his company had come in for some amount of
criticism about matters of support and marketing.  Furthermore, regardless
of his choice of words, I think it was a reasonably open and appealing
statement of philosophy and intentions.  Such open discussion, especially
when the vendors of systems participate, will eventually lead to a more
responsive marketplace, and better systems for us all.
Dion L Johnson
(These are my opinions only.  I hope my employer agrees.)

daveb@llama.rtech.UUCP (Dave Brower) (10/20/87)

In article <2964@phri.UUCP> roy@phri.UUCP (Roy Smith) writes:
>In article <163@uport.UUCP> chuck@uport.UUCP (Chuck Hickey) writes:
>>                            People's UNIX -
>>                          Now More Than Ever
>
>	Isn't this type of material better suited to the corporate
>background sheet that goes out in the promo folder along with the 4-color
>glossy literature?  Since it seems that you are selling a new product
>(namely new and improved corporate management), maybe I could see myself
>stretching the limits of my imagination and just barely approving of this
>on comp.newprod.  But on unix-wizards?  Give me a break!

Microport has been blasted heavily in many newsgroups over the last 6
months or so.  It seems fair to me for the president of the company  to
post a response indicating what they are doing about those gripes.

I don't remember the last time Ken Olsen or Andy Bechtolsheim defended
their companies support policies on the net.

-dB
Cogito ergo zoom...
{amdahl, cbosgd, mtxinu, ptsfa, sun}!rtech!daveb daveb@rtech.uucp