hine@comp.vuw.ac.nz (John Hine) (09/28/87)
We don't have much experience with Microport or similar Unixes on Ats and clones. I am considering purchasing a Commodore PC-40 (AT Clone) and have had Microport Unix V/3 recommended. I would appreciate any constructive comments people are willing to give me as to completeness of the port, reliability of the software, quality of the C compiler, portability of programs like rn to 16 bit system, etc. I have one particular problem. We are being offered a special deal by Commodore. A good price on an AT clone with a 20Mb disk. To get a bigger disk costs lots more. (In NZ anyway.) Is 20Mb enough disk for reasonable use with Microport? Please reply by e-mail. Thanks for the help. jh -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ACSnet: hine@vuwcomp.nz Dept. of Computer Science UUCP: seismo!uunet!!vuwcomp!hine Victoria University PSI Mail: PSI%530147000049::JNET%"HINE@VUWCOMP" Private Bag, Wellington, NZ
Mark_G_Woodruff@cup.portal.com (10/16/87)
I'm told the object code for the complete System/VAT package is 17 megabytes (long?). I wouldn't suggest using it on less than an 8mhz box with a 70 meg drive. If you really want to know more, I can ask the people who use it at work. Reply-to: mark_g_woodruff@cup.portal.com
neighorn@qiclab.UUCP (Steve Neighorn) (10/23/87)
In article <971@cup.portal.com> Mark_G_Woodruff@cup.portal.com writes: >I'm told the object code for the complete System/VAT package is 17 >megabytes (long?). I wouldn't suggest using it on less than an 8mhz >box with a 70 meg drive. > Microport Unix V/386 uses 1 Build Disk, 9 Runtime disks, 4 Software Development system disks, 3 Text Preparation disks, 1 Link Kit disk, and 1 Unlimited User License kit disk. If you keep the old kernel around after updating, it takes about 16 megabytes. -- Steven C. Neighorn tektronix!{psu-cs,reed}!qiclab!neighorn Portland Public Schools "Where we train young Star Fighters to defend the (503) 249-2000 ext 337 frontier against Xur and the Ko-dan Armada"
wnp@killer.UUCP (Wolf Paul) (10/24/87)
In article <846@qiclab.UUCP> neighorn@qiclab.UUCP (Steve Neighorn) writes: >In article <971@cup.portal.com> Mark_G_Woodruff@cup.portal.com writes: >>I'm told the object code for the complete System/VAT package is 17 >>megabytes (long?). I wouldn't suggest using it on less than an 8mhz >>box with a 70 meg drive. >> >Microport Unix V/386 uses 1 Build Disk, 9 Runtime disks, 4 Software >Development system disks, 3 Text Preparation disks, 1 Link Kit disk, >and 1 Unlimited User License kit disk. >If you keep the old kernel around after updating, it takes about 16 >megabytes. System V/AT is a bit smaller (only about 10 disks, total), but in any case, unless you plan to use troff (have a photo-typesetter sitting around?) or fortran, there's a lot of stuff you can delete to make room on your disk. I am currently running System V/AT on a 10MHz clone with a 20MB, 85ms Microscience drive, and I have about 7MB of space left. Of course, a larger, faster drive would be nice, but it's workable as-is - still better than working at 1200 baud via modem. Wolf Paul ihnp4!killer!dcs!wnp
jmsully@uport.UUCP (John M. Sully) (10/26/87)
In article <971@cup.portal.com>, Mark_G_Woodruff@cup.portal.com writes: > I'm told the object code for the complete System/VAT package is 17 > megabytes (long?). I wouldn't suggest using it on less than an 8mhz > box with a 70 meg drive. Microport does need about 20Mb disk space as a minimum, but it will work just fine on a 40Mb drive as a single user system. If you are going to have multiple users you do need a 70Mb or better drive. Also a 10Mhz box is highly recommended. -- John M. Sully UUCP: ...!{sun | ucbvax | ihnp4}!amdcad!uport!techs Microport Systems ARPA: uport!techs@ucscc.UCSC.EDU Technical Support
Isaac_K_Rabinovitch@cup.portal.com.UUCP (10/27/87)
Wolf Paul writes
->unless you plan to use troff (have a photo-typesetter sitting around?) or
->fortran, there's a lot of stuff you can delete to make room on your disk.
A very minor correction. The CAT phototypsetter troff drives doesn't even
exist any more, but software does exist to convert CAT codes to run laser
printers. The only program I have any knowledge of was written for Imagen
printers (Imagen will have it if they haven't got sick of supporting it),
but I wouldn't be suprised if other companies have done this.
Which is not to say you shouldn't use ditroff if you can get it. (Or a
more modern formatter if you don't have to support a lot of troff documents.)
Isaac Rabinovitch
Disclaimer: Just because I think you're wrong, doesn't
mean I don't think you're a fun person!
:-)domo@riddle.UUCP (Dominic Dunlop) (10/28/87)
There's been some discussion about the size of Microport V.3 in terms of disk space needed. For what it's worth, I believe that Microport's implementation, being of Interactive Systems/AT&T parentage, uses a shared library for common libc.a functions in most of the utilities. This ought to cut down the size of the executable files by (sticking my finger in the air) perhaps 12k per utility or, to put it another way, by about two high-density diskettes for the couple of hundred utilities that now come with UN*X. Whether disk requirements are in fact reduced is a moot point: I'm pretty sure that the extra goodies that come along with V.3 -- programmer's tools for making shared libraries, for instance -- will more than take up any disk space saved by the use of the shared library. Just a thought... Dominic Dunlop domo@riddle.UUCP domo@sphinx.co.uk
neighorn@catlabs.UUCP (Steven C. Neighorn) (11/03/87)
In article <1132@cup.portal.com> Isaac_K_Rabinovitch@cup.portal.com writes:
:Wolf Paul writes
:->unless you plan to use troff (have a photo-typesetter sitting around?) or
:->fortran, there's a lot of stuff you can delete to make room on your disk.
:A very minor correction. The CAT phototypsetter troff drives doesn't even
:exist any more, but software does exist to convert CAT codes to run laser
:printers. The only program I have any knowledge of was written for Imagen
:printers (Imagen will have it if they haven't got sick of supporting it),
:but I wouldn't be suprised if other companies have done this.
:
:Which is not to say you shouldn't use ditroff if you can get it. (Or a
:more modern formatter if you don't have to support a lot of troff documents.)
Microport V/386 does not come with the fortran 77 compiler, so you won't
have much to delete in that area. Also, the Text Preparation System (ie
AT&T's Documenter's Workbench) takes about 2.5 megabytes. It contains the
Pipeline Associates Postscript filter, the di10 filter for the Imagen
IMPRINT-10, and the daps filter for the APS-5. The -me and -ms macro
sets are also included, and they seem to work with everything I have tried
so far.
On the subject of fortran, does anyone know of any fortran 77 compilers
available for V/386? I have some graphics stuff I would like to try out,
but alas, its all in f77. I know. I know, rewrite it!
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