spolsky-joel@CS.Yale.EDU (Joel Spolsky) (03/09/89)
System: SCO Xenix 2.2, on a Compaq 386/20. Is there ANY way to get a better shell than the crappy mini-C shell that comes with SCO Xenix? Has anybody gotten the Tcsh to work with Xenix, or are there ANY shells with cursor-key history editing and file name completion? A la Ksh, etc. Many thanks, +----------------+----------------------------------------------------------+ | Joel Spolsky | bitnet: spolsky@yalecs.bitnet uucp: ...!yale!spolsky | | | internet: spolsky@cs.yale.edu voicenet: 203-436-1483 | +----------------+----------------------------------------------------------+ #include <disclaimer.h>
daveh@marob.MASA.COM (Dave Hammond) (03/11/89)
In article <53184@yale-celray.yale.UUCP> spolsky-joel@CS.Yale.EDU writes: >System: SCO Xenix 2.2, on a Compaq 386/20. Is there ANY way to get a >better shell than the crappy mini-C shell that comes with SCO Xenix? >[...] >A la Ksh, etc. Aspen Software markets Ksh for Xenix, as does (I believe) MKS. Tcsh requires source to 'csh', so that is unlikely to exist on too many Xenix machines. -- Dave Hammond daveh@marob.masa.com
todd@stiatl.UUCP (Todd Merriman) (03/11/89)
In article <53184@yale-celray.yale.UUCP> spolsky-joel@CS.Yale.EDU (Joel Spolsky) writes: >System: SCO Xenix 2.2, on a Compaq 386/20. Is there ANY way to get a >better shell than the crappy mini-C shell that comes with SCO Xenix? >Has anybody gotten the Tcsh to work with Xenix, or are there ANY >shells with cursor-key history editing and file name completion? >A la Ksh, etc. > Korn Shell from Aspen Scientific P.O. Box 72 Wheat Ridge, CO 80034-0072
mhlevy@sbee.sunysb.edu (Mark Levy) (03/12/89)
In article <53184@yale-celray.yale.UUCP>, spolsky-joel@CS.Yale.EDU (Joel Spolsky) writes: > System: SCO Xenix 2.2, on a Compaq 386/20. Is there ANY way to get a > better shell than the crappy mini-C shell that comes with SCO Xenix? > Has anybody gotten the Tcsh to work with Xenix, or are there ANY > shells with cursor-key history editing and file name completion? > A la Ksh, etc. Mortice Kern Systems has KSH available in their trilogy package. Though I haven't purchased it yet, I have a version in the messy dos MKS tool kit. Also available is one from ASPEN systems (?) Please note that I am not personally familliar with either product, nor am I in any way connected with either company. I am very pleased wit h the MKS tool kit, and am very unhappy with the XENIX csh. Does anybody out there is comp.unix.xenix-land know if any available shell product offers job control features similar to those in the BSD csh ? thanks, Mark -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark Levy { mhlevy@sbccvm.BITNET } % DISCLAIMER??? HA!!! { mhlevy@sbee.sunysb.edu } % I admit it! Go ahead, blame me, { mhlevy@ccvm.sunysb.edu } % everyone else does!!!!
vijay@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV (Vijay Subramaniam) (03/12/89)
I found a public dommain Korn Shell on a ftp site with anonymous ftp
and thee README said it works on bsd 4.2 and SYSV
so i guess it should not be hard to port to Xenix...even if you have to modify anything
If a lot of people want it i will put it in anonymous ftp or can mail it to you
The Readme said it was Public Domain ...so if it is not , it is not my fault
Vijaykarish@forel.stanford.edu (Chuck Karish) (03/13/89)
In article <21832@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> vijay@lll-winken.llnl.gov (Vijay Subramaniam) wrote: >I found a public dommain Korn Shell on a ftp site with anonymous ftp... >If a lot of people want it i will put it in anonymous ftp or can mail it to you >The Readme said it was Public Domain ...so if it is not , it is not my fault If you redistribute it, it very definitely IS your fault. Ask your employer how anxious they are to be sued by AT&T. Yes, they WILL sue the government. Chuck Karish karish@denali.stanford.edu hplabs!hpda!mindcrf!karish (415) 493-7277
daveh@marob.MASA.COM (Dave Hammond) (03/13/89)
In article <21832@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> vijay@lll-winken.llnl.gov writes: > >I found a public dommain Korn Shell on a ftp site with anonymous ftp >and thee README said it works on bsd 4.2 and SYSV >so i guess it should not be hard to port to Xenix...even if you have to modify anything > >If a lot of people want it i will put it in anonymous ftp or can mail it to you > >The Readme said it was Public Domain ...so if it is not , it is not my fault > > Vijay The subject of public domain Korn shell sources has been tossed about in unix.questions and unix.wizards, and the One True Answer is that 'ksh' is very definitely Copyright (c) Bell Labs (and very definitely 3 grand for the sources). I might check the sources for copyright info, carefully, before offering to distribute copies. -- Dave Hammond daveh@marob.masa.com
rac@sherpa.UUCP (Roger A. Cornelius) (03/13/89)
From article <3694@stiatl.UUCP>, by todd@stiatl.UUCP (Todd Merriman):
< In article <53184@yale-celray.yale.UUCP> spolsky-joel@CS.Yale.EDU (Joel Spolsky) writes:
<>System: SCO Xenix 2.2, on a Compaq 386/20. Is there ANY way to get a
<>better shell than the crappy mini-C shell that comes with SCO Xenix?
<>Has anybody gotten the Tcsh to work with Xenix, or are there ANY
<>shells with cursor-key history editing and file name completion?
<>A la Ksh, etc.
<>
< Korn Shell from
< Aspen Scientific
< P.O. Box 72
< Wheat Ridge, CO 80034-0072
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is not the company that makes ksh.
The correct info is:
ASPEN Technologies, Inc.
PO Box 5727
Parsippany, NJ 07054
201-316-0866
--
Roger Cornelius rac@sherpa
uunet!sherpa!racjack@turnkey.TCC.COM (Jack F. Vogel) (03/13/89)
In article <1174@sbee.sunysb.edu> mhlevy@sbee.sunysb.edu (Mark Levy) writes: > > Does anybody out there is >comp.unix.xenix-land know if any available shell product offers job control >features similar to those in the BSD csh ? > It is not really the product like the csh that determines whether or not you can have job control. In order to provide job control the kernel must support it. As a matter of fact later versions of the ksh also allow job control, similarly the bsh or BRL enhanced bourne shell also have job control available. And I must say, having recently been working in an environment that has job control, I sorely miss it using SCO. What I am really interested in knowing is whether SCO UNIX 3.2 will have it or not, someone from SCO care to comment?? -- Jack F. Vogel Turnkey Computer Consultants, Westchester,CA UUCP: ...{nosc|uunet|gryphon}!turnkey!jack Internet: jack@turnkey.TCC.COM
jeremy@enosh.prime.com (Jeremy Nussbaum) (03/15/89)
For whatever it's worth, here is a very recent posting from comp.archives claiming that the ksh from gpu is indeed public domain: Begin quote Article 120 of comp.archives: >From: emv@mailgw.cc.umich.edu (Ed Vielmetti) Newsgroups: comp.archives Subject: Public domain version of ksh is available Message-ID: <8903111800.AA22239@mailgw.cc.umich.edu> Date: 11 Mar 89 18:00:36 GMT Sender: comparc@twwells.uucp Reply-To: schoenin%s.cs.uiuc.edu@a.cs.uiuc.edu (Charles Schoening) Lines: 17 Approved: bill@twwells.uucp (T. William Wells) >From: schoenin%s.cs.uiuc.edu@a.cs.uiuc.edu (Charles Schoening) Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun Subject: Public domain version of ksh is available Keywords: Software Message-ID: <8902271718.AA27944@s.cs.uiuc.edu> Date: 11 Mar 89 03:43:49 GMT Organization: Sun-Spots Approved: Sun-Spots@rice.edu Original-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 89 11:18:55 CST X-Sun-Spots-Digest: Volume 7, Issue 193, message 7 of 18 For those interested in a public domain version of ksh, there is one available by anonymous FTP from the site `gpu.utcs.toronto.edu'. It was not derived from the AT&T sources. brad schoeing schoenin@cs.uiuc.edu End quote
curtj@pogo.GPID.TEK.COM (Curt "jutz" Jutzi) (03/22/89)
In article <53184@yale-celray.yale.UUCP> spolsky-joel@CS.Yale.EDU (Joel Spolsky) writes: >Has anybody gotten the Tcsh to work with Xenix, or are there ANY >shells with cursor-key history editing and file name completion? >A la Ksh, etc. I have gott'n ksh up and running on my XENIX machine. It was a little bit of a pain.. but it runs.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- __ __ /| Curt Jutzi (Jutz) Tektronix Inc. ((__ \ \'o.O` tektronix!curtj@pogo.WV Del. St. 63-356 \\ ! =(___)= (503) 685-3723 P.O. Box 1000 !!! U Wilsonville,OR 97070
wab@reed.UUCP (Bill Baker) (03/23/89)
In article <589@marob.MASA.COM> daveh@marob.masa.com (Dave Hammond) writes: >Aspen Software markets Ksh for Xenix, as does (I believe) MKS. > Wait a minute. As of fall '87 SCO was distributing a ksh floppy (undocumented and unsupported) to interested customers. Is this no longer the case? Has anyone called the Hotline to ask? I think it was even gratis but I could be wrong. ------------ Bill Baker {backbone}!tektronix!reed!wab The difference between an 800-pound gorilla and an SCO Vice-President is purely cosmetic. --from the Great Book of SCO Koans.
daveh@marob.MASA.COM (Dave Hammond) (03/24/89)
In article <589@marob.MASA.COM> I wrote: >>Aspen Software markets Ksh for Xenix, as does (I believe) MKS. In article <12134@reed.UUCP> wab@reed.UUCP (Bill Baker) writes: >Wait a minute. As of fall '87 SCO was distributing a ksh floppy (undocumented >and unsupported) to interested customers. Is this no longer the case? If that were the case, I think many more of us would have known about it and it would have been in wide circulation at this point ... >Has anyone called the Hotline to ask? I think it was even gratis but ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ... especially if THIS was true! 8-) -- Dave Hammond daveh@marob.masa.com
pete@romed.UUCP (Pete Rourke) (03/25/89)
In article <12134@reed.UUCP> wab@reed.UUCP (Bill Baker) writes: >Bill Baker >{backbone}!tektronix!reed!wab >The difference between an 800-pound gorilla and an SCO Vice-President >is purely cosmetic. --from the Great Book of SCO Koans. I take great offense at your signature line. Of course the difference between an 800 -pound gorilla and a reed!wab is that the gorilla is closer to sentience. -- ..rutgers!okstate!romed!pete ..sun!texsun!romed!pete ..texbell!romed!pete ..ucsd!romed!pete
wab@reed.UUCP (Bill Baker) (03/27/89)
In article <598@marob.MASA.COM> daveh@marob.masa.com (Dave Hammond) writes: >In article <589@marob.MASA.COM> I wrote: >>>Aspen Software markets Ksh for Xenix, as does (I believe) MKS. > >In article <12134@reed.UUCP> wab@reed.UUCP (Bill Baker) writes: >>Wait a minute. As of fall '87 SCO was distributing a ksh floppy (undocumented >>and unsupported) to interested customers. Is this no longer the case? > >If that were the case, I think many more of us would have known about it >and it would have been in wide circulation at this point ... You're probably right and it probably isn't SCO's policy anymore, but it was at one time because I myself checked such a floppy out of SCO's product engineering cabinet. Easy to check, though, since the SCO Hotline folks read this newsgroup. Ross, is this no longer the case? ------------ Bill Baker {backbone}!tektronix!reed!wab "When developing a software clone, an SCO employee and his conscience are soon parted." --From the Great Book of SCO Koans.
wab@reed.UUCP (Bill Baker) (03/27/89)
In article <408@romed.UUCP> pete@romed.UUCP (Pete Rourke) writes: >In article <12134@reed.UUCP> wab@reed.UUCP (Bill Baker) writes: >>Bill Baker >>{backbone}!tektronix!reed!wab >>The difference between an 800-pound gorilla and an SCO Vice-President >>is purely cosmetic. --from the Great Book of SCO Koans. > > > I take great offense at your signature line. Hey, boob! I speak from experience. If you don't, then that is to say that you do not speak at all. Actually, I get a kick out of SCO's Vice-Presidents. They are real people, not the corporate cogs most big companies use as upper-level management. Altogether, SCO's Vice-Presidents are a fun and personable, if not particularly trustworthy, lot. Think of your Uncle Jack (every family has one) who was always such fun at parties but whom your mother wouldn't leave alone in the same room as your little sister and you'll get the idea. > Of course the difference between an 800 -pound gorilla and a reed!wab > is that the gorilla is closer to sentience. > Ow! I'm hit, I'm hit! Medic! Somebody give me the last rites. My armor is clattering about me. C'mon, Pete! If you're gonna zing someone on the net, you've got to have a better line than that. In the parlance of the trade, the net is a tough house. But then I suppose a lack of talent is typical of the type of person who would come to the defense of some nameless, faceless and soulless Vice-President In Charge Of Wang Wiggling. Don't despair, Pete. As part of his program for a "Kindler, Gentler America" President Lush appointed the biggest goon he could find as Vice-President of the United States so that people such as yourself, crippled by a lack of humor, would have a sitting duck. By the by, Webster's defines sentience as "feeling or sensation as distinguished from perception or thought." So you've accused me of being less hedonistic and more introspective than a gorilla, essentially the reverse of what you intended to say. Very good, Pete. You've made a fool out of yourself in front of thousands of people. In the parlance of the trade, once again, this is known as stepping in deep doo-doo. ------------ Bill Baker {backbone}!tektronix!reed!wab An idiot and his credibility are soon parted. --From the Great Book of Romed Research Koans.
dyer@spdcc.COM (Steve Dyer) (03/28/89)
In article <12195@reed.UUCP> wab@reed.UUCP (Bill Baker) writes: >Hey, boob! I speak from experience. If you don't, then that is to say >that you do not speak at all. >[blather] Hey, who left the VAX running at Reed during Spring Break? Seriously, little boy, if you want to entertain your pals, do it elsewhere. No one here is interested in your smart-ass wisecracks. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer dyer@arktouros.mit.edu
rosso@sco.COM (Ross Oliver) (04/14/89)
In article <12189@reed.UUCP> wab@reed.UUCP (Bill Baker) writes: >>In article <12134@reed.UUCP> wab@reed.UUCP (Bill Baker) writes: >>>Wait a minute. As of fall '87 SCO was distributing a ksh floppy (undocumented >>>and unsupported) to interested customers. Is this no longer the case? >> >>If that were the case, I think many more of us would have known about it >>and it would have been in wide circulation at this point ... > >You're probably right and it probably isn't SCO's policy anymore, but it was at >one time because I myself checked such a floppy out of SCO's product >engineering cabinet. Easy to check, though, since the SCO Hotline >folks read this newsgroup. Ross, is this no longer the case? SCO Support has never distributed any version of the Korn shell. I believe it is licensed by AT&T as an entirely seperate product (for more $$$), and is therefore not included in a UNIX license. Ross Oliver Technical Support The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.