[comp.unix.xenix] deep-six os/2

sccm@tcistl2.UUCP (Mason) (11/29/89)

The details of my situation are not very important, but I am faced with
having to make a presentation tomorrow morning (89/11/29 0900 hrs CST) as
to why OS/2 is inferior to xenix.  This is a surprise heaped upon me at
1600 hours this afternoon.

I have maintained an awareness of the OS/2 debate that has been raging for
years now, and I have a few specifics, but I would welcome any first-hand
experiences dealing with the problems of OS/2.

The benefits of xenix/unix (or is it unix/xenix ?) are well-known to me,
having used unix for about ten years in one form or another, and xenix 
for the last two and a half years.

Any comments appreciated.  E-mail please !

Regards,

Stephen Comfort-Mason

is813cs@pyr.gatech.EDU (Cris Simpson) (11/30/89)

In article <12@tcistl2.UUCP> sccm@tcistl2.UUCP (Mason) writes:
>The details of my situation are not very important, but I am faced with
>having to make a presentation tomorrow morning (89/11/29 0900 hrs CST) as
>to why OS/2 is inferior to xenix.  This is a surprise heaped upon me at
>1600 hours this afternoon.
>


	Gee, there's nothing like going in with an open mind...
 
 
 
 
 

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kthompso@prandtl.nas.nasa.gov (Kevin W. Thompson) (11/30/89)

In article <12@tcistl2.UUCP> sccm@tcistl2.UUCP (Mason) writes:
>The details of my situation are not very important, but I am faced with
>having to make a presentation tomorrow morning (89/11/29 0900 hrs CST) as
>to why OS/2 is inferior to xenix.  This is a surprise heaped upon me at
>1600 hours this afternoon.
>
> ...
>
>Any comments appreciated.  E-mail please !
>
>Regards,
>
>Stephen Comfort-Mason

Deep six OS/2?  Give a presentation on why OS/2 is inferior to XENIX?

I can't let this go by without commenting, even if it is too late
for your talk.  The "superiority" of an operating system depends
solely on the degree to which it accomplishes the objectives
which are important to the buyer or user.  You cannot give an 
honest presentation about why one OS is "superior" to another
unless you state the goals which must be achieved.  So you
cannot state that OS/2 is inferior to UNIX/XENIX (or vice versa)
independent of context.  You personally may not like OS/2, but
that is a different question, and likely has nothing to do with
what your audience is concerned with.

Statements about superiority of operating systems which do not
relate to a context are intellectually dishonest.  I can guarantee
that OS/2 is superior to UNIX/XENIX for certain tasks, just as I
can guarantee the opposite for others.


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Kevin W. Thompson
thompson@galileo.arc.nasa.gov

las) (12/01/89)

In article <4003@amelia.nas.nasa.gov> kthompso@prandtl.nas.nasa.gov (Kevin W. Thompson) writes:
}In article <12@tcistl2.UUCP> sccm@tcistl2.UUCP (Mason) writes:
}}The details of my situation are not very important, but I am faced with
}}having to make a presentation tomorrow morning (89/11/29 0900 hrs CST) as
}}to why OS/2 is inferior to xenix.

}Deep six OS/2?  Give a presentation on why OS/2 is inferior to XENIX?

[Discussion about the relationshiip of "superiority" to context and
criteria for evaluation omitted.]

}Statements about superiority of operating systems which do not
}relate to a context are intellectually dishonest.

But... but... my personal prejudices are laws of nature!

:-)

regards, Larry
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(With apologies to the real thing.  The above represents my views only.)
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aryeh@eddie.mit.edu (Aryeh M. Weiss) (12/01/89)

OS/2: single-user (working at console) / multi-tasking
Unix/Xenix: multi-user (logged in at multiple terminals 
	or remote networked locations) / multi-tasking

Both OS's are multi-tasking, but Unix has direct support for multiple users.

The internals concerning file i/o (read, write, etc) and process creation
(fork/exec) of OS/2 (and Dos for that matter) are modeled after Unix.

One question would be, could a suitable init/getty/login/shell set of
programs be written for OS/2 to simulate multi-user login's?  

SCO Unix/Xenix provides program cross-development for Dos and, I assume, OS/2.
(The converse is not true.)

Case History:

At the Continuum Electromechanics Group at MIT, we have two Xenix/386 systems
and three Xenix/286 systems.  The 386's support staff and students for text
processing and data crunching.  The 286's coordinate data collection from
various devices and XT's.  XT's running DOS are used as either smart terminals
or dedicated for data-taking from and control of experimental apparatus.
One 386 has 10 terminals scattered thru the lab.  The 386 also has the
printer (Apple LaserWriter).  Everyone has a common platform with Emacs,
TeX, and C and the programs that people port or write and share.
I can't imagine having ten single-user machines to maintain and giving the 
same performance.

For our equipment and budget constraints, my philosophy has been to run
Unix on one or two capable machines to give support to common tasks that
everyone requires and then dedicate cheap machines to specific tasks.
-- 
eliot%lees-rif@eddie.mit.edu (Eliot H. Frank)

bobf@lotus.com (Bob Frankston (BFrankston)) (12/06/89)

Note that there is a "comp.sys.os2".  Naturally, comp.unix.xenix is
not a place for OS/2 advocacy.  "comp.sys.ibm.pc" is not necessarily
read by OS/2 believers either.