primer_b@husc4.harvard.edu (jeremy primer) (01/10/87)
Like most absurities, this one from Dr. B. Litow REALLY comes from IBM: >Report from the City of Our Lady of the Angels: (So. Pasadena) >(official statewide designators for the chief regions of California) >1. NOCAL begins at Santa Barbara and ends at the North Pole. >2. SOCAL begins around the VICTORY DRIVE exit of the PASADENA FREEWAY and >ends in the twilight zone. >3. LOCAL begins south of LA (whatever that means) and ends in Peru. IBM etymology (c. 1960): // XEQ PROGR L 2 *LOCAL SUBA,SUBB,SUBC *NOCAL DEBUG tells an IBM 1130 to load and XEQute the program PROGR, that | the subroutines SUBA, SUBB, SUBC are not needed | simultaneously, so they should be fetched from disk into the | LOCAL Load On CALl area whenever they are called. Remember, the | core memory--made of core--is only 16K or 32K. Overlay city. | Also, load DEBUG in as part of the executable image even | though PROGR never calls it--that's NO CAll Load--and we'll | NOCAL just toggle some switches on the front panel to invoke the | DEBUGger if anything goes wrong. | SOCAL is not something the programmer does, but something | the IBM 1130 does to the programmer. If s/he just said | | // XEQ PROGR | SOCAL | and didn't tell the operating system which subroutines to | [the LOCAL (overlay) and the whole thing ran out of core, the | booby object loader would create its own overlays. System load On | prize] CALl. The I/O routines come into core when PROGR wants to | do I/O, the disk I/O when PROGR does disk I/O (I haven't | told you how to do that--next posting :-), and the | arithmetic routines when PROGR is calculating. SOCALs also | happen in the presence of your LOCALs, if PROGR is Just Too | Big and Stupid (cf. Mikki 'n' Pooh's adventures). | No, it won't fit in your bedroom. Somewhere between Victory Drive and the Pasadena Freeway is where the worst bottlenecks must occur, if the So. Pasadena hack-o-crats built California as a faithful respresentation of an IBM 1130. Jeremy primer@husc4.harvard.edu
artm@phred.UUCP (01/12/87)
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The basic 1130 had all of 8K of core memory, not 16K.
Overlay city indeed! And with the world's slowest disk drive
to boot.
Actually, it would fit in your bedroom (it was about the size of an
office desk) but the air conditioner would be another matter.
Anyone out there ever summon up the guts to yank the "emergency-pull"
knob and find out what happens?
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Art Marriott
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...............................................................................brian@sdcsvax.UCSD.EDU (Brian Kantor) (01/14/87)
In article <951@phred.UUCP> artm@phred.UUCP (Art "Faster! Faster!" Marriott) writes: >The basic 1130 had all of 8K of core memory, not 16K. >... >Anyone out there ever summon up the guts to yank the "emergency-pull" >knob and find out what happens? Yeah, I did. It came off in my hand. I still have it at home, along with some parts from the CDC3600 and CDC160A that used to sit near it. Memorabilia. Oh yeah, the power did die. - Brian
mmb@lzaz.UUCP (01/14/87)
In article <980@husc6.UUCP>, primer_b@husc4.harvard.edu (jeremy primer) writes: > IBM etymology (c. 1960): > > // XEQ PROGR L 2 > *LOCAL SUBA,SUBB,SUBC > *NOCAL DEBUG > > tells an IBM 1130 to load and XEQute the program PROGR, that | not with out a job card it don't > the subroutines SUBA, SUBB, SUBC are not needed | > simultaneously, so they should be fetched from disk into the | LOCAL > Load On CALl area whenever they are called. Remember, the | > core memory--made of core--is only 16K or 32K. Overlay city. | 16k !! 32k !!!!!!!! Boy you really had a big one! My high school had one of these dream machines. The first personal computer, built in letter quality printer, built in hard drive, came with it's own desk, 4k of core, and compiled fortran(talk about disk activity). GET AWAY FROM THAT EOJ BUTTON!! Maurice M. Burns, Esq. Squire of Gothos
ken@argus.UUCP (Kenneth Ng) (01/15/87)
In article <951@phred.UUCP>, artm@phred.UUCP writes: > > *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR ANTIQUE *** > > The basic 1130 had all of 8K of core memory, not 16K. > Overlay city indeed! And with the world's slowest disk drive > to boot. Wait a minute, I think there were 16K bytes of data, but there were 8K words of core. Unfortunately my old 1130 manual is buried somewhere at my parent's house, therefore not readily available. > Anyone out there ever summon up the guts to yank the "emergency-pull" > knob and find out what happens? I HEARD that the IBM CE has to come in and reset it for starters. > Art Marriott -- Kenneth Ng: Post office: NJIT - CCCC, Newark New Jersey 07102 uucp !ihnp4!allegra!bellcore!argus!ken *** WARNING: NOT ken@bellcore.uucp *** bitnet(prefered) ken@orion.bitnet Gillian: "Are you sure you won't change your mind?" Spock: "Is there something wrong with the one I have?"
fehr@milano.UUCP (01/15/87)
In article <706@argus.UUCP>, ken@argus.UUCP (Kenneth Ng) writes: > In article <951@phred.UUCP>, artm@phred.UUCP writes: > > > Anyone out there ever summon up the guts to yank the "emergency-pull" > > knob and find out what happens? > > I HEARD that the IBM CE has to come in and reset it for starters. > > > Art Marriott I don't know about the 1130, but my old System 3's "panic button" has to be reset by means of a little disassembly. BTW, if anyone has a spare "emergency-pull" knob, please let me know. after 15 years, the plastic becomes a bit brittle... John arpa: @fehr@sw.mcc.com
ybmcu@cunyvm.bitnet.UUCP (01/15/87)
In article <951@phred.UUCP>, artm@phred.UUCP says: > >Anyone out there ever summon up the guts to yank the "emergency-pull" >knob and find out what happens? > Yes. (But only with the power off first.) It had a click stop that theoretically meant you had to call IBM to reset it. Of course, if you took off the back plate, you could easily jiggle it and reset it yourself. It was a good way to make sure that if you went away for a little while, you wouldn't come back and find somebody else using YOUR machine. Ben Yalow BITNET: YBMCU@CUNYVM Pick a gateway, any gateway ...
petel@teksce.SCE.TEK.COM (Pete Lancashire) (01/15/87)
In article <951@phred.UUCP>, artm@phred.UUCP writes: > The basic 1130 had all of 8K of core memory, not 16K. > Overlay city indeed! And with the world's slowest disk drive > to boot. > > Actually, it would fit in your bedroom (it was about the size of an > office desk) but the air conditioner would be another matter. Don't remember the need for A/C but the standard 1130 had a 3-phase power supply that if you lost a phase the power supply would do interesting things...(see next comment) > > Anyone out there ever summon up the guts to yank the "emergency-pull" > knob and find out what happens? yep, (see above), not much on the 1130. If you want to know about the kill switch, ask what happens when you hit the kill on a big 360 (if it had not been disabled). Actually there are quite a few 1130's running in homes, kind of like having a car that is the same as the one you first had or loved. I almost got one myself, you can get a loaded 1130 for free in most cases. There are still quite a few being used. Pete Lancashire petel@teksce.SCE.TEK.COM
dbb@aicchi.UUCP (Burch) (01/16/87)
My first computer job was a summer job with the school district. They had a 8K 1130, a 1442 Reader/Punch, and some sort of printer (I don't remember which). We ran RPG and had to endlessly sort cards on a beat-up 73 sorter... Gosh! And here I set at my Macintosh, just 13 years later! -- -David B. (Ben) Burch Analysts International Corp. Chicago Branch (ihnp4!aicchi!dbb) "Argue for your limitations, and they are yours"
rnewman@dasys1.UUCP (01/16/87)
In article <2454@sdcsvax.UCSD.EDU> brian@sdcsvax.UCSD.EDU (Brian Kantor) writes: >In article <951@phred.UUCP> artm@phred.UUCP (Art "Faster! Faster!" Marriott) writes: >>The basic 1130 had all of 8K of core memory, not 16K. Did you guys ever see, use, or hear of the PDP-7? A souped up version of one was the first machine to ever to run UNIX, back when it was first developed by you know who. I have a friend who had a had friend who one day came by with a truck and stored one in his garage. Ten years latter my friend decided he wanted to use his garage again, so we spend a day moving it out and back into a very big truck to bring it to a scrap metal dealer. The machine is as big as a limo, it only has 4k of some strange sort of memory, it boots on paper tape, runs on DEC tape, and contains no IC's of any kind; it's completely made of transistor logic. It has a speed knob, so you can choose your setting: slow, very slow, or super-slow. Its console is a teletype terminal of some strange variety, its visual output comes on a round screen which looks like an antique television set. It also has a light pen. Putting UNIX on such a monster was quite an accomplishment. -Richard Newman
sl@van-bc.UUCP (01/17/87)
In article <706@argus.UUCP> ken@argus.UUCP (Kenneth Ng) writes: >In article <951@phred.UUCP>, artm@phred.UUCP writes: >> to boot. > >> Anyone out there ever summon up the guts to yank the "emergency-pull" >> knob and find out what happens? > >I HEARD that the IBM CE has to come in and reset it for starters. > No, but one day after school, after the teacher had left I did try diverting all input / output to the console (a selectric type). Only problem was while there was a way to do this, there was apparently no way to go back to using the card reader, printer. That DID need an IBM CE to come and reload the disk pack! Took him about two hours as I remember, and several boxes of punch cards. -- Stuart Lynne ihnp4!alberta!ubc-vision!van-bc!sl Vancouver,BC,604-937-7532 Todays feature: The Problem of the Green Capsule, John Dickson Carr, 1939 Gideon Fell solves the "Psychologist's Murder Case". Five eye-witnesses, a film and still no one could identify the murder.
david@dhw68k.UUCP (01/17/87)
In article <980@husc6.UUCP>, primer_b@husc4.harvard.edu (jeremy primer) writes: > [...] >IBM etymology (c. 1960): > > // XEQ PROGR L 2 > *LOCAL SUBA,SUBB,SUBC > *NOCAL DEBUG > > tells an IBM 1130 to load and XEQute the program PROGR, that | > the subroutines SUBA, SUBB, SUBC are not needed | > simultaneously, so they should be fetched from disk into the | LOCAL > Load On CALl area whenever they are called. Remember, the | > core memory--made of core--is only 16K or 32K. Overlay city. | The 1130 I worked on (my first exposure to computers -- probably warped my mind permanently! :-) ) had only 8K (16-bit words, of course).... I remember getting the source for the 1130 Macro Assembler (Mod 10, I think); I couldn't assemble it -- a friend of mine found an 1130 with the unbelievably large core size of 32K and managed to assemble it. (I still have the listing...!) (You know, in many ways, it was really a "personal computer" -- single- user, and all that. Somehow, though, I like the computer I'm using now a LOT better though....) Anyone out there know what sort of relationship existed between the 1130 and the 360/44? (From what I have seen in books, it looked as if the /44 might have been designed to wean 1130 users to the s/360. I believe that USC ("C" == "California", not "Carolina") had one....) david -- David H. Wolfskill uucp: ...{trwrb | hplabs}!felix!dhw68k!david This .signature file attempts to be self-referential, but fails (or does it?). (apologies to Douglas R. Hofstadter.... :-) )
werme@alliant.UUCP (01/18/87)
In article <196@dasys1.UUCP> rnewman@dasys1.UUCP (Richard S. Newman) writes: >In article <2454@sdcsvax.UCSD.EDU> brian@sdcsvax.UCSD.EDU (Brian Kantor) writes: > >Did you guys ever see, use, or hear of the PDP-7? Careful, now this could start going way back. While I didn't use it, Harvard had a couple PDP-1s and I know there are people on USENET who've used them. One of the PDP-1s is at the Computer Museum in Boston where they fire it up for some serious Space War tournaments! The first computer I ever programmed was a process control computer my father designed areound 1960. He told people that it was so easy to program that even an 11 year-old could do it. So he gave me the manual. About the only problem I had was that he didn't tell me that I had to hold the write button down long enough for the magnetic drum to rotate up to two times to ensure the instruction got written. (It was programmed in machine code.) (Now, now, yes it was kinda slow, but in 1960 drum memory was the fastest available. It ran at 1800 RPM because the bearings would wear out after only a year at the design speed of 3600 RPM.) (That computer was also probably the first commercial parallel processor. 25 years later and what am I doing? Working on another parallel processor. Gotta get into a faster moving field.) Actually, it wasn't until I got to Carnegie Mellon in 1968 that I got seriously involved with computers. I got discouraged in '61 because I couldn't figure out the instruction set of the Packard Bell 250. Too bad, 'cause that was one of the more important machines of its day. (And there's a piece of a 250 at the computer museum too.) (But they haven't caught me yet!!!!) +-------------------------------+-----------------------------+ | The Art of Programming | Ric Werme | | needs to be tempered with | uucp: decvax!linus!alliant | | the Structure of Engineering | Phone: 603-673-3993 | +-------------------------------+-----------------------------+
ken@argus.UUCP (Kenneth Ng) (01/19/87)
In article <284@van-bc.UUCP>, sl@van-bc.UUCP (Stuart Lynne) writes: [edited old stuff about IBM 1130] > No, but one day after school, after the teacher had left I did try diverting > all input / output to the console (a selectric type). Only problem was while > there was a way to do this, there was apparently no way to go back to using > the card reader, printer. Sounds like when I made the console typewriter go from black to red, and I couldn't figure out how to get it back to black. > That DID need an IBM CE to come and reload the disk pack! Took him about > two hours as I remember, and several boxes of punch cards. Yup, it takes about 2 hours, about 20 minutes to load the first couple of trays in, and about 1.5 hours or so to load all the library routines with the @#%#^ console typing the name for each and every module. I used to play around with the 1130 quite a bit, blowing away the OS about once a week or so. Therefore the instructor showed me how to reload the OS from cards. I'm curious, did anyone ever substitute that cold start card with a card that makes the console lights blink "TILT" on some unsuspecting student? -- Kenneth Ng: Post office: NJIT - CCCC, Newark New Jersey 07102 uucp !ihnp4!allegra!bellcore!argus!ken *** WARNING: NOT ken@bellcore.uucp *** bitnet(prefered) ken@orion.bitnet Gillian: "Are you sure you won't change your mind?" Spock: "Is there something wrong with the one I have?"
petel@teksce.SCE.TEK.COM (Pete Lancashire) (01/21/87)
In article <715@argus.UUCP>, ken@argus.UUCP (Kenneth Ng) writes: > In article <284@van-bc.UUCP>, sl@van-bc.UUCP (Stuart Lynne) writes: > [edited old stuff about IBM 1130] > > I'm curious, did anyone ever substitute that cold start card with a > card that makes the console lights blink "TILT" on some unsuspecting > student? No tilt, but what fun with the 1132 printer, not very fast (damn slow) but boy could you make the thing dance... //EXEC //IOCS(1132 PRINTER, .... that's all I remember Pete Lancashire petel@teksce.SCE.TEK
petel@teksce.SCE.TEK.COM (Pete Lancashire) (01/21/87)
In article <486@dhw68k.UUCP>, david@dhw68k.UUCP (David H. Wolfskill) writes: ..... > (You know, in many ways, it was really a "personal computer" -- single- > user, and all that. Did you know there was even a 1130 clone, lot faster and smaller, can't remember their name but I have at home the manuals for their system, that company also made options for the 1130 such as an ASCII/RS-232 mux, and a pertec standard 1/2inch tape controller Just think today all you need is two 32K x 8 static RAMS to fill up the memory space. Anyone remember the 1130 APL, I still have the disks, keyboard stickers, and a letter from Iverson talking about some bug or something. Pete Lancashire petel@teksce.SCE.TEK
madd@bucsb.bu.edu.UUCP (01/30/87)
In article <895@aicchi.UUCP> dbb@aicchi.UUCP (Burch) writes: >My first computer job was a summer job with the school district. They >had a 8K 1130, a 1442 Reader/Punch, and some sort of printer (I don't >remember which). We ran RPG and had to endlessly sort cards on a beat-up >73 sorter... Gosh! And here I set at my Macintosh, just 13 years later! My first computer job was on an IBM System/32. It had <gasp> a 13Mb disk (only 3ft across, mind you) instead of puch cards by the time I got there. It also spoke (and still speaks) RPG II. I didn't know anyone else still knew RPG. How about swapping H,F,E,L,I,C, and O specs? I always liked the interesting flow-control in RPG. And what am I on now? IBM PC/AT w/ 4 slave processors. Pretty good improvement, I'd say. Jim Frost Various Employers and Associated Organizations madd@bucsf.bu.edu ..!harvard!bu-cs!bucsf!madd
rees@apollo.UUCP (01/30/87)
I used to have an IBM system 3 at home. Not quite as antique as the 1130, but still the first IBM "personal computer" on the block. It had one of those red emergency power cutoff knobs. It is indeed a pain to reset after it's been pulled, but you can do it yourself if you're clever.
peter@utah-cs.UUCP (02/13/87)
I think the 1130 clone you are talking about was the "Meta-4" (yuk, yuk), and I think the machine was built by DSC (Digital Scientific Corp.???). By the name you might guess it was to be the answer to emulating all know architectures. It was a neat little machine and provided me with my first exposure to microcode. Instead of the 1130 console it had a spiffy selectric golfball typewriter as the console. Every programmer should learn to program in that environment. You learn the "think first, hack later" rule when it takes a while (hah!) to get a compiler loaded, let alone started on compiling. It was also my first exposure to the lousy power we had in the area (South of Boston), since it needed to be cold started every day at 9:40am, whether it showed any signs of a crash or not. This turned out to be due to a daily power sag, which was not enouhg to trip the power fail circuits. Peter Ford (peter@cs.utah.edu).