[comp.misc] Hardware purchase advice request

en2j@vax1.UUCP (Thomas Purcell) (12/02/87)

This is a request for advice:  I'm trying to put together a very respectable
personal system for the next couple of years (till the Super-engineering
workstations come down to $5k.).  Its uses would include some commercial
applications (that is, business type stuff) and software development.
Preferred characteristics are:

	o	Unix -- now or very soon (avail. within 1 yr.)

	o	desktop publishing at least up to mac quality level

	ooo	multiple operating system capability, even if this
		anticipates additional processor cards  (methinks
		this is better than buying 4 different machines.?.)
	
	o	speed.  don't want my hair to turn grey while I'm
		waiting for something running on a hardware simulator,
		for example, to execute a single instruction

	o	color graphics better than IBM cga, cheaper than a
		$50k Silicon Graphics workstation

	o	full-page display would be pretty handy.

	o	Big harddrive; ample memory
		(80 meg, 2 Meg is a nice starting point, bigger better)

	o	Don't need (right now) state of the art CAD/CAM
		facilities.  Can't go much over the $10k limit.
		Or, need to aim for near to $5k for a
		stripped machine if I'm to afford the bells
		& whistles.

Multiple OS support is a goody and a biggy that I'd really like.
(Seems like this would depend on architecture and vendor's economics...)
Here's my reasoning:

	I can afford to buy ONE flexible machine, and equip it
	with some REALLY nice goodies:  a very good display,
	a massive (for one user) hard drive, similarly generous
	RAM, a backup system, and so on.: All the goodies that
	make an environment more fun!  But, once I've invested in
	all those nice things, I want to be able to work with (read/write)
	and write code for Unix, MS-DOS, and Mac's OS. (For
	starters.)  I CAN'T afford to buy three or four
	vendor's machines and equip each one of them as nicely
	as the single hypothetical machine above.

	So, even if I have to install some extra processor boards
	{which had better be REAL ones that are available or will be --
	 hypothetical boards don't run real software }, AND 
	suffer some slowdown, I think I'm much better off
	with one multifaceted machine.

If YOU can recommend (or sell to me) something that will approach
my Pipe-Dream as above, please let me know what it is and how much
it'll cost.  I welcome the suggestion of a machine which hasn't been
released yet, if it fits the bill, and WILL be released within 6 mos. to
a year.  Or, If you'd find my reasoning faulty, I invite criticisms.

Please send a copy of your response directly to me.

-thomas
en2j@vax1.ccs.cornell.edu
en2j@crnlvax1.bitnet

jdm@mit-vax.LCS.MIT.EDU (Joseph D. Morrison) (12/15/87)

In article <570@vax1.UUCP> en2j@vax1.ccs.cornell.edu writes:
>personal system for the next couple of years (till the Super-engineering
>workstations come down to $5k.).  Its uses would include some commercial
>applications (that is, business type stuff) and software development.

Sounds like you want a Mac II! Let's go through your requirements...

>	o	Unix -- now or very soon (avail. within 1 yr.)

Check! You can run "A/UX", which is Apple's Unix offering for the Mac II.

>	o	desktop publishing at least up to mac quality level

Check! By definition...

>	ooo	multiple operating system capability, even if this
>		anticipates additional processor cards  (methinks
>		this is better than buying 4 different machines.?.)

Right now, you can get the Multi-finder with a Mac, which offers
primitive multi-tasking facilities. However, I believe Apple is
planning to come out with a better Multi-finder soon.

Also, I should think the NuBus used in the Mac II would make it trivial
to add additional processors, but I don't know the details...

>	o	speed.  don't want my hair to turn grey while I'm
>		waiting for something running on a hardware simulator,
>		for example, to execute a single instruction

The Mac II uses a 68020; I'm not sure what clock speed. But the one I
played with seemed very crisp... I think you won't get much more speed
than this at your price range.

>	o	color graphics better than IBM cga, cheaper than a
>		$50k Silicon Graphics workstation

Check! (This criterion isn't hard to meet -- I think my old CoCo 2 might
give the CGA a run for its money!) Actually, the colour graphics on the
Mac II are very impressive.

>	o	full-page display would be pretty handy.

Several vendors sell oversize high-resolution displays for the Mac II.

>	o	Big harddrive; ample memory
>		(80 meg, 2 Meg is a nice starting point, bigger better)

Check.

>	o	Don't need (right now) state of the art CAD/CAM
>		facilities.  Can't go much over the $10k limit.
>		Or, need to aim for near to $5k for a
>		stripped machine if I'm to afford the bells
>		& whistles.

A stripped Mac II is in the 5k range...
I don't work for Apple, I just love this machine!!

	Joe Morrison
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