[comp.misc] Results of ICC Conference from Moscow

crunch@well.UUCP (John Draper) (12/29/88)

  In response to all the interest generated by the earlier posting of
the ICC Convention in Moscow,   I have the first set of messages from
the USSR Computer users,  and the results of the ICC Convention.

  The ICC Convention took place about a week after the Armenian disaster,
and took up most of the topics of discussion.   Some of that was in an
earlier posting the Soviets asked me to do.   A lot of the context of the
message was personal,   so it's been difficult for me to seperate out
the personal stuff from the reports on what took place in Moscow last week.
I think I have edited out all the personal paragraphs,   what remains,
is a report on the results of this ICC meeting.

		*********** The report from Moscow ************
			     by Alexander Yegorov
			     	      &
			       Valerie Maister
Alexander Yegorov:

      Now,  I will simply try to narrate the events that
      happened  during the ICC Founding conference...  I made a
     small introductory  speech explaining how a few people  managed
     to bring together so many long-established and powerful
     organizations  in this country for the sole purpose of opening
     the door to the "computerized society". A few facts: at the
     opening of the conference we had 22 cofounder organizations -
     19 from the soviet side and 3 representing 1 USA (East-West
     Exchange Technology Transfer - Simon Furman - General
     Manager P.O.  Box 4028,  San Rafael, CA 94913, (415) 472-3493) + 1
     UK (Opus  Technology  Ltd.)  +  1  French  company  (SDS).
     They include: USSR Academy of Sciences (Velikhov), educational
     society   "Znanie"(translation   -   Knowledge),    a
     leading non-governmental publishing and news agency "Novosty",
     all 5 central State Banks of the USSR, important computing
     centers,  universities  and  institutes, industrial  establishments
     in electronics and cooperatives.

      In one month we collected ten million (!) rubles in
      entry  grants from all over the country that would be  used
     to support  initiatives in information and people  exchange.
     We had  over 600 participants in the hall with 500 seats.
     About 70 correspondents from soviet and foreign newspapers and
     TV,  two  video teams filming the conference (we would send you
     a copy  of the tape as soon as it is edited).  So  many
     people wanted  to participate that the crowd gathered near  the
     entrance eventually broke the door and we had to cover the
     damage. People were coming from all over the USSR from as far
     as Vladivostok (which is closer to you though) responding to
     our ad  in  the  newspaper.  They were  coming  directly  to
     the conference because it was impossible to get through to us
     by telephone  and receive more precise information.  We had
     two girls  answering  the phone in turns for the  last  ten
     days starting  from 6 a.m.  but clearly everything we did was
     not enough.  It seemed to us as if the whole nation suddenly
     woke up with the only idea of joining the Club.  That really
     made us crazy with joy! We did it! A new baby-movement was born
     in  this country and already screamed over all networks (with
     you help, John!).

      At  the  first  plenary sitting of  the  Conference
      the founding organizations signed a Treaty establishing ICC as
     an independent  non-governmental international organization
     and ICC Statute,  they also elected a member of the USSR
     Academy  of  sciences - Sergey Kurdumov, Director of the Institute
     of applied  mathematics  -  as  President  of  ICC,  and  I
     was nominated  to  the post of ICC Director-General.  The
     second half of the 1st day was devoted to work in sections
     including the one called "Telecommunications and networking".  I
     can't say why,  but I have the impression that people in this
     section are particularly open-minded and relaxed and
     easy-going, if you know what I mean.  May be it's a common feature of
     all those  linked-up  but I thought of mentioning it  to  you
     as something  that stroked me in the first place  and
     something that  should be nourished by our Club as a most valuable
     asset.  Do you see it the same way in the US?  I think  you
     do reading  through the E-mail of "Let's talk to  the
     Soviets"! When I announced that ICC is being tuned to the biggest
     Networks in the US and that so much interest emerged in
     getting involved,  the  Conference really responded.  And  you
     could claim, John, the best part of applause!

      We  had  a  splendid lunch at noon brake  given  by
      ICC President  and a cheerful cocktail party in the  evening
     for the  participants establishing a real Club atmosphere at
     the Conference.  The small but well organized hardware and
     software exhibition attracted a lot of people.  We ran out of
     advertising  materials  in  the first few hours  and  lost
     our voices explaining things out loud for the rest of the
     Conference.

      The second day was spent in hearing reports from
      different  sections,  proposals of various projects that  might
     be sponsored  by  the  Club,  as well as  in  negotiations
     with various  western companies attending the Conference.  It
     all finished  by a press-conference with very  positive
     articles appearing  in local press.  That's about how it all
     happened narrated in a few words.

            *****************
            
      You  have 3 or more offers from American software
      engineers to go to Moscow and set up the equipment,  offer
     training for a UNIX like system running on PC's.  Please tell
     them that they are officially invited by ICC to come and stay
     with us  as long as they wish.  We will take care of them so
     that they may do both sight-seeing and networking. All expenses
     in rubles will be payed by ICC. 
     
  Let me re-phrase that offer.   It means that you have to cover your
OWN transport to either New York,  or Wash DC.   Those are the ONLY
cities served by Aeroflot.    The Aeroflot costs will be covered,  and
living expenses while in Moscow.    Any other expenses dealing with
hard currency must be beared by the volunteer.    They also will offer
other things in trade,   to be negotiated with the ICC People in Moscow.
     
    ******** More misc messages of interest to NetNews readers *********

Valerie Maister:

      Your  Message 6 Mon Dec 12 18:28 PST.  I  fully
      support your proposal for a joint information exchange forum for
     the purpose of: a) technical information exchange; b)
     information on how to obtain Computer equipment; c) encouraging
     Americans to enter joint venture relationships.  ICC can contribute
     now by  providing  accurate  information  (electronic
     reference files)  on the legal regulations governing joint ventures
     in the  USSR and practical steps necessary to enter  the
     Soviet market,  information on the existing joint ventures  and
     requests from soviet ICC members looking for an interested
     foreign partner to establish a new joint venture,  and the
     like. We  can also post to you requests for purchases  of
     computer equipment  from soviet ICC members in order to get  the
     best offer from American suppliers.  The more we think about
     this exchange the more may come out of it.  Remember the idea
     of a Trade Partners Data Bank containing export/import profile
     of soviet and foreign ICC members that was mentioned in the
     information  material  on ICC you brought over  from
     Moscow...

     This may be the beginning of it!

 	What happened to your request to open up a New Newsgroup 
 	"misc.joint.ventures"?   As you mentioned, it would be
    useful to have a look at the representative samples of some of
    those news groups the long list of which you E-mailed us.

     
   Geee!!  Yea!! all you Net Managers,  whatever happened to that
proposal for a "misc.joint.ventures" newsgroup :=)

     
     ********** More misc messages to Net News respondees *******

	Here   is  our Hello back to the Seattle  Chapter   of
	Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility!  ICC
	certainly wants  to be  a  party to your Computers for Peace
	Groups.  Our  motto   is "Information   processing  at  the
	service   of    international dialogue"  and we want to build
	computer bridges  between people.  ICC aims are laid out in the
	Treaty establishing  ICC that we had already put on the Network
	and it  seems that CPSP and ICC  share the same ideals.  So
	let's share  the same deeds!

	Please,  John,  say  hello  from  us  to  AutoDesk  Inc.,
	Keith Gabryelski from Elgar Corporation (San Diego), Michael
	Winser  of Microsoft  Corp.  and all ICC new friend.   It's
	already  Monday night. We are dead tired and falling asleep.
	Sorry, John, we  did not manage to answer all the messages at
	once. But I look forward to the pleasure of doing it again
	soon.

     	Alexander Yegorov

     	ICC Director-General

     	Valerie Maister

     	ICC-USA Representative

   I have sent over samplings of Net News to our soviet friends after
passing the material through our "Sensitive information" filters.
They very much want to become good contributers to the Net News
community.    I'm trying to scare up an article Eric Fair wrote
about the ettequet of Net Usage,  so our Soviet friends will be
very well versed and informed if and when they ever get on Usenet.

   As you see, in the message I got from Moscow,   the Soviets are 
just discovering Computer Networking in a very big way.    I think,  that
as you read the text,   the Soviets have discovered the finer points
of communication.    They are still inexperienced,   but I'm giving
them some of the finer points in networking,  and if anyone else
wants to help,   short tutorials and articles sent to me would
really be appreciated.

   I sent them a list of some of the current issues in todays Computing
world,  such as viruses,  worms,  and uses of Computers for peaceful
purposes,  and the Soviets are now scrambling to prepare translating
some articles that currently exist into English,  plus generating some
new articles being written by Soviet students on the Existing state of
computer technology.    So we should expect to be recieving more 
interesting stuff.    Below is a list of subjects I suggested the
Soviets to concentrate on,   If I have left any out,   then please
tell me,  so I can get them added.    The Sov's have taken this list,
and plan on delegating the tasks to students,  professionals,  and 
other people who know the answers to the following issues and subjects
of interest.    Most of this was compiled from the many questions,  
I recieved from Net Readers.

How to address the Human Language problem

  a) Technically
  b) Socially
  c) Through the Media (TV and Radio)
  
What kind or programs are being developed to improve the economy.
Such as:

  a) Computer Conferencing for better organization.
  b) Resource allocation and control.
  c) Small Cooperative Management software.
  d) Desktop Publishing.
  e) TV and Radio Management software.
  f) City planning and management software.
  g) Space and Science research.
  i) Medical research.
  j) Software that optimizes distribution of goods.
  
Computer Education in the USSR

  a) On TV
  b) In schools
  c) In special "Access centers" if any exist.
  
Most popular Computer Languages (Try to make accurate survay).

  a) The C Language
  b) Pascal
  c) Basic

Programming style of the Soviets.

  a) "Top down" Design.
  b) Object Oriented concepts.

Current state of AI development.

  a) Expert systems
  b) Pattern recognition
  
Computer virus problems

  a) Detection methods.
  b) Removal methods.
  c) Prevention methods.
  
Software piracy issues

  a) Education about "Intellectual property".
  b) Protection of software.
  c) Discussions on the issues.
  d) A means of purchasing USA Software in Rubles,  and
     keeping the software prices "Affordable".
  e) "Shareware",  or "Use first,  pay later" software.

Current state of Computer Conferencing technology.

  a) Approximately how many Modems in use.
  b) Networking systems.

Descriptions of Soviet developed programming tools.

  a) For building user interfaces.
  b) For Writing operating systems and Languages.
  c) For Personal or home software or programs.

Current technology of Human Language translation.

  a) English to Russian
  b) Russian to English
  c) Voice recognition
  d) Pattern recognition.

Improvement of the Phone system to allow Data Compatability.

  a) Noise reduction
  b) Bandwidth improvements
  c) ISDN
  d) "T" Carrier or 1.544 MegBits.

The steps a Soviet Citizen must take to get on Teleport.

  a) Which government agency does a citizen have to talk to.
  b) Can ANYONE get on it??   Who can?  Who Can't??
  
Computer Networking

  a) Social networking
  b) Cooperative networking
  c) Business networking and office automation 
  
Social impact computers have on Soviet Society.

  a) In the home
  b) At the office
  c) At the store
  d) in the farm
  e) At the Cooperatives.

   According to these messages I have recieved,   I've gotten surprising
openness and self admissions about the state of Soviet PC Technology,
which would have been unheard of 3 years ago.    So be looking forward
to recieving some interesting information on this new frontier.

   So,  as far as I'm concerned,   if enough people want us to have a
new Newsgroup "misc.joint.ventures" on Usenet,   then we would move all
of our discussions over there,   otherwise,  I think "comp.misc" is as
good a place as any other.    So lets let the masses decide.    Don't mind
me,   I'm only the "messenger" so don't flame me pleese....

More later ----
John Draper 
Programmers Network