reid@decwrl.UUCP (Brian Reid) (11/01/86)
USENET READERSHIP SUMMARY REPORT for Oct 86 This is a monthly posting from the Network Measurement Project at the DEC Western Research Laboratory in Palo Alto, California. This survey is based on a sample of data taken from various USENET sites. At the end of this message there is a short explanation of the measurement techniques and the meaning of the various statistics. The complete set of readership data (of which this is a summary) is posted in mod.newslists -------------------------------------------------------------------------- New this month: a version of arbitron that copes properly with all of the new newsgroups, and also a new column of information in the report. We now report the "propagation" of a newsgroup, which is how many sites get that group at all. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Reid OVERALL SUMMARY: This Estimated Sample for entire net Sites: 393 4800 Fraction reporting: 8.19% 100% Users with accounts: 53873 658000 Netreaders: 12377 151000 Average readers per site: 31 Percent of users who are netreaders: 22.97% Average traffic per day (megabytes): 1.596 Average traffic per day (messages): 663 Traffic measurement interval: last 21 days Readership measurement interval: last 75 days TOP 40 NEWSGROUPS IN ORDER BY POPULARITY +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide. | +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population | | +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all | | | +-- Recent traffic (messages per month) | | | | +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month) | | | | | +-- Participation ratio | | | | | | +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/reader | | | | | | | +-- Share: % of newsreader | | | | | | | | who read this group. V V V V V V V V 1 28000 2540 74% 17 41.3 0 0.01 20.5% net.general 2 25000 2307 64% 505 744.4 20 0.12 18.6% net.jokes 3 25000 2303 74% 114 1218.5 4 0.19 18.6% net.sources 4 24000 2186 58% 2 6.1 0 0.00 17.7% mod.announce 5 20000 1783 66% 24 807.7 1 0.16 14.4% mod.sources 6 19000 1762 67% 64 201.2 3 0.04 14.2% net.jobs 7 16000 1469 72% 245 380.1 15 0.09 11.9% net.unix 8 15000 1407 65% 108 291.9 7 0.08 11.4% net.ai 9 15000 1361 73% 357 671.1 23 0.18 11.0% net.unix-wizards 10 14000 1303 62% 2 2.0 0 0.00 10.5% net.sources.games 11 14000 1268 63% 341 523.1 24 0.15 10.2% net.micro.mac 12 14000 1260 69% 622 2342.3 44 0.66 10.2% net.micro.pc 13 14000 1253 67% 132 228.3 9 0.06 10.1% net.micro 14 14000 1249 66% 65 101.2 4 0.03 10.1% net.graphics 15 14000 1232 63% 125 362.5 8 0.10 10.0% net.arch 16 14000 1230 72% 30 64.2 2 0.02 9.9% net.sources.bugs 17 13000 1224 64% 44 44.2 3 0.01 9.9% net.wanted 18 13000 1154 71% 47 64.6 3 0.02 9.3% net.sources.d 19 13000 1152 65% 5 26.8 0 0.01 9.3% mod.conferences 20 13000 1148 66% 198 322.9 15 0.10 9.3% net.lang.c 21 13000 1139 61% 364 615.2 28 0.19 9.2% net.movies 22 12000 1066 72% 64 175.5 5 0.06 8.6% net.news.group 23 12000 1052 59% 165 281.4 13 0.09 8.5% net.audio 24 11000 1043 66% 54 78.6 4 0.03 8.4% net.news 25 11000 1022 67% 122 122.0 11 0.04 8.3% net.wanted.sources 26 11000 1017 53% 41 55.1 3 0.02 8.2% net.consumers 27 11000 1001 53% 7 20.1 0 0.01 8.1% net.announce.arpa-int 28 11000 975 46% 7 18.0 0 0.01 7.9% mod.newprod 29 10000 925 58% 35 565.9 3 0.22 7.5% net.sources.mac 30 10000 920 45% 2 18.3 0 0.01 7.4% mod.os.unix 31 10000 915 56% 68 87.2 6 0.03 7.4% net.books 32 9900 905 63% 132 218.8 13 0.09 7.3% net.emacs 33 9900 900 58% 71 152.0 7 0.06 7.3% net.misc 34 9900 899 57% 95 134.3 9 0.05 7.3% net.lang 35 9800 895 62% 25 28.6 2 0.01 7.2% net.lan 36 9800 892 55% 150 181.3 15 0.07 7.2% net.cooks 37 9800 887 54% 135 486.0 13 0.19 7.2% mod.ai 38 9700 883 54% 40 69.9 4 0.03 7.1% net.invest 39 9600 876 57% 28 41.4 2 0.02 7.1% net.micro.68k 40 9500 861 55% 5 6.0 0 0.00 7.0% net.research TOP 40 NEWSGROUPS IN ORDER BY PER-READER COST +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide. | +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population | | +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all | | | +-- Recent traffic (messages per month) | | | | +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month) | | | | | +-- Participation ratio | | | | | | +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/reader | | | | | | | +-- Share: % of newsreader | | | | | | | | who read this group. V V V V V V V V 1 44 4 1% 11 31.7 259 2.80 0.0% talk.religion.christi 2 1800 160 21% 450 1540.6 250 3.40 1.3% talk.religion.misc 3 1600 144 21% 317 1030.8 198 2.50 1.2% talk.politics.misc 4 55 5 0% 7 8.5 129 0.61 0.0% rec.arts.movies 5 1100 103 12% 137 354.2 124 1.30 0.8% misc.legal 6 5100 464 31% 620 1497.8 121 1.20 3.7% soc.singles 7 66 6 0% 7 9.2 108 0.55 0.0% rec.arts.sf-lovers 8 850 77 9% 90 155.6 105 0.72 0.6% sci.lang 9 55 5 0% 5 6.3 103 0.45 0.0% rec.aviation 10 1300 116 14% 128 225.9 98 0.68 0.9% sci.med 11 620 56 8% 51 29.4 82 0.19 0.5% misc.test 12 6700 608 44% 540 1994.2 80 1.20 4.9% net.micro.atari16 13 1800 163 16% 135 623.8 75 1.40 1.3% soc.culture.indian 14 1800 160 16% 135 316.4 75 0.69 1.3% misc.misc 15 4100 369 29% 301 441.8 73 0.42 3.0% talk.bizarre 16 4000 365 37% 295 534.1 73 0.52 2.9% net.sport.football 17 1100 103 12% 74 124.6 67 0.45 0.8% misc.kids 18 1400 131 11% 92 185.1 66 0.52 1.1% sci.math 19 4000 367 36% 260 417.2 65 0.41 3.0% net.sport.baseball 20 66 6 0% 4 4.5 64 0.27 0.0% rec.pets 21 8900 809 59% 534 862.3 60 0.38 6.5% net.sf-lovers 22 5000 454 40% 294 584.6 58 0.46 3.7% net.comics 23 9200 834 56% 521 2080.3 56 0.89 6.7% net.micro.amiga 24 1300 114 18% 72 319.4 56 0.97 0.9% talk.philosophy.misc 25 2600 237 25% 138 282.6 53 0.43 1.9% mod.music.gaffa 26 1600 148 18% 84 203.1 52 0.50 1.2% talk.abortion 27 2000 178 15% 98 92.2 49 0.18 1.4% misc.wanted 28 88 8 0% 4 16.1 48 0.72 0.1% rec.bicycles 29 9300 848 54% 428 650.7 46 0.27 6.9% net.auto 30 1300 114 12% 60 152.8 46 0.46 0.9% sci.physics 31 8900 809 54% 404 712.2 45 0.31 6.5% net.music 32 14000 1260 69% 622 2342.3 44 0.66 10.2% net.micro.pc 33 2100 193 19% 91 230.9 43 0.43 1.6% soc.motss 34 1500 141 14% 64 134.4 42 0.35 1.1% sci.astro 35 1400 125 16% 60 74.4 42 0.21 1.0% soc.culture.celtic 36 6500 589 50% 267 452.9 41 0.27 4.8% net.startrek 37 6300 576 48% 249 375.2 39 0.23 4.7% net.micro.apple 38 5300 482 41% 182 299.6 34 0.22 3.9% net.pets 39 5800 529 43% 191 354.3 33 0.24 4.3% net.aviation 40 4800 433 37% 162 252.5 33 0.21 3.5% net.ham-radio TOP 40 NEWSGROUPS IN ORDER BY MESSAGES PER READER +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide. | +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population | | +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all | | | +-- Recent traffic (messages per month) | | | | +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month) | | | | | +-- Participation ratio | | | | | | +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/reader | | | | | | | +-- Share: % of newsreader | | | | | | | | who read this group. V V V V V V V V 1 14000 1260 69% 622 2342.3 44 0.66 10.2% net.micro.pc 2 9200 834 56% 521 2080.3 56 0.89 6.7% net.micro.amiga 3 6700 608 44% 540 1994.2 80 1.20 4.9% net.micro.atari16 4 1800 160 21% 450 1540.6 250 3.40 1.3% talk.religion.misc 5 5100 464 31% 620 1497.8 121 1.20 3.7% soc.singles 6 25000 2303 74% 114 1218.5 4 0.19 18.6% net.sources 7 1600 144 21% 317 1030.8 198 2.50 1.2% talk.politics.misc 8 8900 809 59% 534 862.3 60 0.38 6.5% net.sf-lovers 9 20000 1783 66% 24 807.7 1 0.16 14.4% mod.sources 10 25000 2307 64% 505 744.4 20 0.12 18.6% net.jokes 11 7000 640 45% 14 721.2 2 0.40 5.2% mod.mac.sources 12 8900 809 54% 404 712.2 45 0.31 6.5% net.music 13 15000 1361 73% 357 671.1 23 0.18 11.0% net.unix-wizards 14 9300 848 54% 428 650.7 46 0.27 6.9% net.auto 15 1800 163 16% 135 623.8 75 1.40 1.3% soc.culture.indian 16 13000 1139 61% 364 615.2 28 0.19 9.2% net.movies 17 5000 454 40% 294 584.6 58 0.46 3.7% net.comics 18 10000 925 58% 35 565.9 3 0.22 7.5% net.sources.mac 19 4000 365 37% 295 534.1 73 0.52 2.9% net.sport.football 20 14000 1268 63% 341 523.1 24 0.15 10.2% net.micro.mac 21 7500 686 48% 20 490.9 2 0.26 5.5% mod.mac 22 9800 887 54% 135 486.0 13 0.19 7.2% mod.ai 23 6500 589 50% 267 452.9 41 0.27 4.8% net.startrek 24 4100 369 29% 301 441.8 73 0.42 3.0% talk.bizarre 25 4000 367 36% 260 417.2 65 0.41 3.0% net.sport.baseball 26 16000 1469 72% 245 380.1 15 0.09 11.9% net.unix 27 6300 576 48% 249 375.2 39 0.23 4.7% net.micro.apple 28 14000 1232 63% 125 362.5 8 0.10 10.0% net.arch 29 5800 529 43% 191 354.3 33 0.24 4.3% net.aviation 30 1100 103 12% 137 354.2 124 1.30 0.8% misc.legal 31 7200 657 56% 91 333.5 12 0.18 5.3% mod.std.unix 32 3300 299 33% 20 326.6 6 0.39 2.4% mod.politics.arms-d 33 13000 1148 66% 198 322.9 15 0.10 9.3% net.lang.c 34 1300 114 18% 72 319.4 56 0.97 0.9% talk.philosophy.misc 35 1800 160 16% 135 316.4 75 0.69 1.3% misc.misc 36 5300 482 41% 182 299.6 34 0.22 3.9% net.pets 37 4700 431 42% 134 299.0 28 0.25 3.5% net.games.frp 38 8900 808 52% 205 297.9 23 0.13 6.5% mod.computers.vax 39 9300 845 64% 14 295.9 1 0.13 6.8% mod.newslists 40 15000 1407 65% 108 291.9 7 0.08 11.4% net.ai BOTTOM 10 NEWSGROUPS IN ORDER BY POPULARITY +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide. | +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population | | +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all | | | +-- Recent traffic (messages per month) | | | | +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month) | | | | | +-- Participation ratio | | | | | | +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/reader | | | | | | | +-- Share: % of newsreader | | | | | | | | who read this group. V V V V V V V V 244 550 50 2% 2 1.3 5 0.01 0.4% news.misc 245 440 40 6% 8 10.0 19 0.09 0.3% sci.math.stat 246 420 38 5% 8 9.2 20 0.09 0.3% sci.bio 247 400 36 2% 1 0.6 3 0.01 0.3% rec.misc 248 88 8 0% 4 16.1 48 0.72 0.1% rec.bicycles 249 66 6 0% 7 9.2 108 0.55 0.0% rec.arts.sf-lovers 250 66 6 0% 4 4.5 64 0.27 0.0% rec.pets 251 55 5 0% 7 8.5 129 0.61 0.0% rec.arts.movies 252 55 5 0% 5 6.3 103 0.45 0.0% rec.aviation 253 44 4 1% 11 31.7 259 2.80 0.0% talk.religion.christi Valid data received from these sites: 3comvax 3d.dec.com a60 aaec abnji ace.dec.com acetes adelie aero aero2 aiag.dec.com akgua akgub akguc akgud akov68.dec.com alberta alliant alv amdahl amdcad ames argus arthur arthur.cs.purdue.edu ascvax asd.dec.com astrovax atari athena aurora author.dec.com axis basser bcm5000 bemis.dec.com bene beno.css.gov bigbang bms-at bnl brand brspyr1 btnix bu-cs bubba bucsb.bu.edu bucsd cadomin cae780 caip.rutgers.edu calay calgary carmel cascade casee.dec.com castor.dec.com cavell cbosgd ccvaxa celica.dec.com cgfsv1.dec.com cgl.ucsf.edu chalmers charlie cheviot chinet ci-dandelion circe cisunx cit-vax clio clt.dec.com cognos comet.dec.com concurrent.co.uk cookie.dec.com cooper cp1 cpro cpsc53 cpw.columbia.edu crcge1 crin crvax1.dec.com cs.nott.ac.uk csadfa csc02.dec.com csustan cuae2 curium.dec.com cuuxb cvl cwruecmp cxsea darth dayton dciem dcl-csvax decuac decwet.dec.com decwrl desint diamond.bbn.com dicome dievms.dec.com dinadan dione dlb dmcnh dolphn.dec.com doshita down dregs.dec.com drillsys dukempd dycom ector.cs.purdue.edu edison elbereth.rutgers.edu elroy elsie elwood.dec.com ems endor eros eta ethos exodus.dec.com fai felix fortune foxvax5 fritz ganash garfield gargoyle gatech genrad glacier godot godzla.dec.com gould9 gouldsd grc97 grebyn gt-stratus h-sc4 h.cc.purdue.edu hao hc.dspo.gov hdsvx1 hercules hjuxa hpldora hscfvax hutch i.cc.purdue.edu iapetus ihu1n ileaf im4u ima imagen imt3b2 infinet infopro iosg.dec.com ipso.oz iscuva isis isl istg.dec.com ittvax j.cc.purdue.edu jasper jaws.dec.com jimi jon.dec.com jplgodo k.cc.purdue.edu kaoa01.dec.com kirk.dec.com kodak kosman kpe l.cc.purdue.edu labrea lando.dec.com lll-crg lll-lcc ludwig.dec.com luke macbeth maccunix majestix masscomp maynard mcc-pp mcgill-vision mck-csc me-ncr meccts medusa.dec.com midacs mips mirror mit-eddie mit-trillian mks mntgfx moncol mordred mordred.cs.purdue.edu mosaic.dec.com mss msudoc mtgzy mtgzz munsell myrias naakka nandi.dec.com navajo nbires ncoast ncr-sd ncrcae nesterc nike noao nogov.dec.com nonode.dec.com novavax nsc nssg.dec.com nttlab oblio oblio.dec.com ocean oddjob ohgua ohgub ohguc oktext onecom opus orion osiris panda pbhya penet percival phri phuxa phuxc pipa.dec.com pitt pixar plus5 pogo polaris potomac princeton psivax ptsfa ptsfb ptsfc ptsfd qantel qnda01 quad1 quoin.dec.com ra rainbo.dec.com rangly.dec.com raster rayssd rdlvax reality1 regal.dec.com rhea.dec.com rochester rocky rosevax rtech rti-sel saber samira sandia sandoz saturn sauron scicom sdcsvax se-sd seismo shasta sicsten sigma soma spar sphinx sphinx.dec.com sri-spam ssc-vax ssdevo.dec.com star.dec.com strata.dec.com stride strshp.dec.com styx su-isl sunybcs teddy teklds telesoft temvax termin tflop tilt tipple.dec.com tkov58.dec.com tle.dec.com topaz.rutgers.edu trwhal tuck tucos turtlevax tut tutctl tymix ucla-cs uiucuxa uiucuxc uiucuxe uiucuxf ujocs ukma umd-ua umd5.umd.edu umn-cs unirot uqcspe.oz usc-oberon usceast ut-sally utah-cs utah-gr utcs utcsri uwmacc vianet video.dec.com viking.dec.com vilya vino.dec.com voder vogon.dec.com vu-vlsi vulcan walldata wang7 wanginst watale watarts watcal watcgl watdaisy watdcsu watdragon wateng water watlion watmath watmum watnot watopt watpix watrose watvlsi well wjh12 wolf wookie.dec.com wuphys xios yale yarra yetti yippee.dec.com zeus zhora.dec.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ EXPLANATION OF THE MEASUREMENTS AND STATISTICS Survey data is taken by having one person at each site run a program called "arbitron", which looks at the news or notes files and determines the newsgroups that the user has read within a recent interval. To "read" a newsgroup means to have been presented with the opportunity to look at at least one message in it. Going through a newsgroup with the "n" key counts as reading it. For a news site, "user X reads group Y" means that user X's .newsrc file has marked at least one unexpired message in Y. If there is no traffic in a newsgroup for the measurement period, then the survey will show that nobody reads the group. For a notes site, "user X reads group Y" means that user X has been in the notesfile with the sequencer in the last 14 days. The "14 days" interval for notesfiles corresponds to "unexpired" for news. The "arbitron" program is periodically posted to net.sources, or is available from me (decwrl!reid). The notesfiles version of the program should be available through standard notesfiles software distribution channels as well. SITES SURVEYED IN THIS SAMPLE "This Sample" means the set of sites that have sent in an arbitron report within the past "Readership measurement interval" days. In every case the most recent report from each site is used. At the moment, some of the readership reports are several months old. In future postings those reports will have expired and will not be included. One might argue that the sample is self-selected, like the famous Literary Digest Dewey-Truman election poll sample. It does in fact have a certain self-selection factor in it, because we only get data from sites at which someone participates in the survey. However, we do not require the participation of every user at a site, only one user. The survey program returns data for every user on the system on which it was run. Since there are an average of 30 people per site reading news, there is a certain amount of randomness introduced that way. Of course, the sample is biased in favor of large sites (they are more likely to have a user willing to run the survey program) and software-development-oriented sites (more likely to have a user *able* to run the survey program). I intend to post, reasonably soon, some breakdowns of statistics about the sites that have responded. NETWORK SIZE I determine the network size by looking at the set of sites that are mentioned in the Path lines of news articles arriving at decwrl. This number is consistently higher than the number of sites that posted a message (as measured and posted from Seismo) because it includes passive sites that are on the paths between posting sites and decwrl. Each month I store the names of the hosts that are named that month, and for this report I used the past 7 months worth of data. There are 4713 different sites in the Path lines of articles that arrived at decwrl in the last 7 months. There are 6173 different sites in the mod.map data, but mod.map includes every site that participates in uucp; there is a considerable number of machines that exchange uucp mail but do not get USENET. Of those 4713 sites, 60 (1%) are DEC E-net hosts not part of uucp, and which therefore are not included in the 6173 figure. Despite these various difficulties, I believe that 4800 is the best estimate for the size of USENET. Because it is actually a measurement of the number of sites that have posted a message or that are on the path to a site that has posted a message, it will be slightly smaller than the number of sites that actually read netnews. Any site that believes it is not being counted can just ensure that it posts at least one message a year, so that it will be counted. NUMBER OF USERS The number of users at each site is determined in a site-specific fashion. Sometimes it is done by counting the number of user accounts that have shells and login directories. Sometimes it is done by counting the number of people who have logged in to the machine in some interval. Sometimes other techniques are used. This number is probably not very accurate--certainly not more accurate than to within a factor of two. ESTIMATED TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO READ THIS GROUP, WORLDWIDE There are two sources of error in this number. The number is computed by multiplying the number of people in the sample who actually read the group by the ratio of estimated network size to sample size. The estimated total can therefore be biased by errors in the network size estimate (see above) and also by errors in the determination of whether or not someone reads a group. Assuming that "reading a group" is roughly the same as "thumbing through a magazine", in that you don't necessarily have to read anything, but you have to browse through it and see what is there, then the measurement error will come primarily from inability to locate .newsrc files, which can either be protected or moved out of root directories. There is no way of measuring the effect on the measurements from unlocated .newsrc files, but it is not likely to be more than a few percent of the total news readers. MESSAGES PER MONTH AND KILOBYTES PER MONTH Traffic is measured at decwrl, in Palo Alto, California. Any message that has arrived at decwrl within the last "Traffic measurement interval" days is counted, regardless of when it was posted. Monthly rates are computed by taking the total traffic, dividing by the number of days in the traffic measurement interval, and multiplying by 30. Decwrl runs 2.10.3 news, which does not store the "Date-Received", "Relay-version" or "Posting-version" header lines; the amount of space occupied at your site might be higher, and the number of bytes transmitted between machines is probably higher. By definition this number is correct, because it is an exact measurement, but it may differ from the traffic at your site by as much as 15% due to timing differences and news version differences. Timing differences will be random, but will average out in the long run. News version differences will cause a systematic error that is additively uniform across all newsgroups, and which therefore does not significantly affect ratios. If a message is crossposted to several groups simultaneously, it is charged only to the first-named group in the list. PARTICIPATION RATIO: MESSAGES per MONTH per 1000 READERS This number is exactly what it says: the number of messages per month in that newsgroup, divided by the number of 1000 readers. It is an indication of how involved the readers of the group are in the traffic, of whether they are mostly listeners or mostly talkers. Its accuracy is limited by the accuracy of its two components. The messages per month figure is exact; the reader count is only as accurate as the network size estimate, which is in worst case accurate to 40%. Therefore you should treat this number as having an error margin of plus or minus 40%. However, ratios between participation ratios for different newsgroups are quite accurate, since the network-size component divides out. COST RATIO: DOLLARS PER MONTH PER READER The most controversial field in the survey report is the "$US per month per reader". It is the estimated number of dollars that are being spent on behalf of each reader, worldwide, on telephone costs to transmit this newsgroup. The cost ratio does not include the cost of disk storage to store the news or of computer time to process it; both of those are assumed to be free. The cost ratio is computed as follows: $US/month/reader = ($USPerMonthPerSite * numberOfSites) / numberOfReaders $USPerMonthPersite = KBytesTrafficPerMonth * $USPerKByte $USPerKByte = ($USperMinute / KBytesPerMinute) * (1 - CompressionFactor) $USperMinute = 0.10 [ten cents per minute avg phone cost] KBytesPerMinute = 60 * BytesPerSecond / 1000 BytesPerSecond = 100 [average transfer rate over 1200-baud line] CompressionFactor = 0.4 [40% compression is typical for netnews] Combining all these gives $USPerMonthPersite = KBytesTrafficPerMonth * (0.10 / 6) * (1 - 0.4) = KBytesTrafficPerMonth / 100 Therefore: $US/month/reader = (KBytesTrafficPerMonth * numberOfSites) / (100 * numberOfReaders) The accuracy of this number is in fact better than the accuracy of the participation ratio, because the source of error--the network size estimate--is present both in the numerator and the denominator, and therefore cancels out. The primary source of bias in this number comes from the bias in the "estimated number of readers, worldwide", which is described above. Treat this value as being accurate to within about 25%. SITE PARTICIPATION I would like to receive data from every site on USENET. The arbitron programs (posted to net.sources along with this report) work on news 2.9 and 2.10.[1-3] and on many versions of notesfiles. Brian Reid DEC Western Research Laboratory, Palo Alto CA reid@decwrl.DEC.COM {ihnp4,allegra,decvax,ucbvax,sun,glacier}!decwrl!reid