D.W.Wright@stl.stc.co.uk (David Wright) (02/21/91)
The results are now in for comp.sys.unisys: 103 YES 9 NO
There were also two entries which didn't state how they wanted to vote, and
four late votes (3 YES, 1 NO); these have not been included in the result.
Subject to ratification, the vote therefore FAILS by 6 votes,
as there must be a majority of 100 for the group to be created.
The majority must also be >66%, but that was not a problem here (92%).
Unless there have been a significant number of votes lost, or other
irregularities, and these are reported within the next 5 days, the
group will not be created.
A full list of all accepted votes is appended, followed by an analysis
of voting by site. The "site vote" was 73 : 9, and no site voted both ways.
Comment
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The vote suffered by lack of 'mid-term' publicity in news.announce.newgroups
because the moderator was away - the 2nd CFV only went to news.groups,
comp.misc and comp.sys.misc. How significant this was cannot be known -
probably it would have made a few votes difference. 6?
There was certainly a boost to the voting rate after the second posting.
On the other hand, I did run the vote for 4 weeks (many now run for 3, the
minimum allowed), and of course the original CFV was in n.a.n. So everyone
who really cared should have known about it.
None of the NO voters gave any comment on their reasons. A few YES voters
did, typically that they were users and would benefit from talking to each
other. I also received a comment from a Unisys person saying that the group
would be good both for them and for their users. A pity it won't happen.
N.B. the comment about the moderator being away isn't a complaint about
Eliot, who did a good job for us all and didn't get many thanks for it -
moderators need a break just like anyone else. But maybe Dave could
appoint a couple of stand-by's ready for when *he* needs a break?
So what now?
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So what now? Go back to the mailing list? Post to comp.sys.misc?
Create alt.sys.unisys after all? I must say that if we do this,
all the vote will have done is delayed that group by 2-3 months.
I must say it because if I don't, someone else will :-)
If there is now steady Unisys trafic in comp.sys.misc or alt.sys.unisys,
and it keeps up for at least 6 months, then another vote held then might
succeed (votes cannot be repeated in less than 6 months).
Finally - I think it is reflection on the state of the net that a
technical, computer based group like this fails, while all sorts of social,
recreational and political groups can be created with large majorities.
Usenet has ceased to be primarily a technical forum for better understanding
of computer systems, and is now a much more general talking shop. Whether
this is a good or bad thing is not an issue I'll debate here.
Detail Results by User and by Site
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NO votes (9)
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Carl Rigney <cdr@brahms.amd.com>
Carl S. Gutekunst<csg@pyramid.pyramid.com>
Christopher Bryden <bryden@freezer.it.udel.edu>
David Robinson <david@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
Jeff Beadles <jeff@onion.pdx.com>
Leonard Peirce <peirce@gumby.cc.wmich.edu>
Nobuya Higgy Higashiyama <nxh@meaddata.com>
Paul Eggert <eggert@twinsun.com>
balter@cipc1.dayton.ncr.com
YES votes (103)
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Adam King <ark@unislc.uucp>
Adrian Godwin <agodwin@acorn.co.uk>
Alan Beal <beal@scifi.uucp>
Alan Egan <magimi!al@uunet.uucp>
Andy Toy <andy@mks.uucp>
Anthony DeBoer <adeboer@gjetor.geac.com>
Bengt Larsson <bengtl@maths.lth.se>
Bill Bogstad <wjb@cogsci.cog.jhu.edu>
Bill Holman <wlh@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com>
Bob Nicol <magisc!bob@uunet.uucp>
Brian Matthews <blm@6sceng.uucp>
CCWENKER@cnedcu51.bitnet
Charles Anderson <caa@com2serv.c2s.mn.org>
Chris Johnson <chris@com2serv.c2s.mn.org>
Christopher T. Pedro<pedro@cs.umn.edu>
Clive Chinery <clive@aisnet.uucp>
Craig S. Wilson<craig@com2serv.c2s.mn.org>
Dan Boehlke <DAN@gacvx2.gac.edu>
Dan Veditz <dveditz@dbase.a-t.com>
Dave Cline <dave@m1.88open.org>
David S. Cargo<cargo@cherry.cray.com>
David Wright <D.W.Wright@stl.stc.co.uk>
Dennis Lienke <drl@msc.edu>
Dominic Dunlop <domo@tsa.co.uk>
Donald Phillips <donp@blkhole.uucp>
Duane L. Rezac<drezac@dcsc.dla.mil>
Ed Bacon <efb@dvnspc1.dev.unisys.com>
Ed Naratil <ean@gvlv3.gvl.unisys.com>
Eric Horner <8eah@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com>
Frank Piper <frank@dvnspc1.dev.unisys.com>
Gary Greene <garyg@zip.convergent.com>
Gil Pilz@Eng@Banyan<gil@banyan.banyan.com>
Greg Nault <8gkn@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com>
Gregg Wolfe <bs@brainiac.mn.org>
Gregory G. Woodbury<ggw@wolves.uucp>
Jacob Ellis <jellis@vicstoy.uucp>
Jeff White <jwhite@com2serv.c2s.mn.org>
Jeffery S. Wilson<jeff@com2serv.c2s.mn.org>
Jeffrey Comstock <jrc@brainiac.mn.org>
Jim Hopkins <hopkins@dvnspc1.dev.unisys.com>
Jim Lovsey, Metro. Ed. Council, (614)221-8005<LOVSEY@mecsys.mps.ohio-state.edu>
Jim Young <8young@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com>
John G Dobnick <jgd@convex.csd.uwm.edu>
Lance Welch <ldw@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com>
Lee Bertagnolli <lbert359@athenanet.com>
Lucinda Siren <siren@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com>
M.V.L. Prasad<prasad@cmc.com>
Marek Behr [Aero Eng]<mf12605@s1.msi.umn.edu>
Mark Adams <mca@medicus.com>
Mark Perew <Mark.Perew@ofa123.fidonet.org>
Marshall Belland <marshall@brainiac.mn.org>
Michael Chastain <mec@ocf.berkeley.edu>
Michael Dobson <dobson@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil>
Mike Kain <mkain@dvnspc1.dev.unisys.com>
Mike Wharton <mikew@com2serv.c2s.mn.org>
Miles ONeal <meo@dixie.com>
Mitch Pockrandt <pockrand@src.honeywell.com>
Orion@cup.portal.com
Otto Tennant <jot@fig.cray.com>
P.Galbavy@micromuse.co.uk
PHIL@mtus5.earn
Pamela Kannegieter <catwoman@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com>
Peter da Silva <peter@ficc.ferranti.com>
Plu festu, uloj<abeals@autodesk.uucp>
Pocky 1st AD, OSJA<aets-kja-a-ao3@ansbach-emh1.army.mil>
Rich Adams <adams@afcsa.af.mil>
Richard H. Miller<rick@pavlov.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
Robert J. Granvin<rjg@sialis.com>
Scott R. Anderson<scott@jhereg.osa.com>
Scott Sheldon Bertilson <ssb@quest.uucp>
Scott Williamson <scott@memex.co.uk>
Steven S. Brack<sbrack@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu>
Theo Heavey <theo@cs.fau.edu>
Thomas B. Clark III<tclark@med.unc.edu>
Thomas Hintz <tdh@macs.sp.unisys.com>
Tom Albrecht <tom@dvnspc1.uucp>
William M. Hawkins<bill@rose3.rosemount.com>
William Moore <wdm@unislc.uucp>
bert@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com
bob@morningstar.com
burke <burke@seachg.uucp>
bwl@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com
caudle@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com
dgs@dvncnms.uucp
dick schenke <schenke@ficc.ferranti.com>
fwp1@cc.msstate.edu
gray@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com
hayek@uninor.uucp
ian@syacus.acus.oz.au
jak@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com
jennie@sx1100.rsvl.unisys.com
jlhall@ficc.ferranti.com
knute@nodec.rsvl.unisys.com
kunkee@ficc.ferranti.com
lap@dvncnms.uucp
markw@gvlf8.gvl.unisys.com
mike@chorus.fr
rlm@dvncnms.uucp
sds@dvncnms.uucp
sf@uninor.uucp
tem@sx1100.rsvl.unisys.com
toad@cellar.uucp
vavra@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com
The following site analysis is for interest only: sites do not vote as such.
YES votes by site (73) NO votes by Site (9)
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1 6sceng.uucp 1 brahms.amd.com
1 acorn.co.uk 1 cipc1.dayton.ncr.com
1 afcsa.af.mil 1 elroy.jpl.nasa.gov
1 aisnet.uucp 1 freezer.it.udel.edu
1 ansbach-emh1.army.mil 1 gumby.cc.wmich.edu
1 athenanet.com 1 meaddata.com
1 autodesk.uucp 1 onion.pdx.com
1 banyan.banyan.com 1 pyramid.pyramid.com
1 blkhole.uucp 1 twinsun.com
1 cc.msstate.edu
1 cellar.uucp
1 cherry.cray.com
1 chorus.fr
1 cmc.com
1 cnedcu51.bitnet
1 cogsci.cog.jhu.edu
1 convex.csd.uwm.edu
1 cs.fau.edu
1 cs.umn.edu
1 cup.portal.com
1 dbase.a-t.com
1 dcsc.dla.mil
1 dixie.com
1 dvnspc1.uucp
1 fig.cray.com
1 gacvx2.gac.edu
1 gjetor.geac.com
1 gvlf8.gvl.unisys.com
1 gvlv3.gvl.unisys.com
1 hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu
1 jhereg.osa.com
1 m1.88open.org
1 macs.sp.unisys.com
1 maths.lth.se
1 mecsys.mps.ohio-state.edu
1 med.unc.edu
1 medicus.com
1 memex.co.uk
1 micromuse.co.uk
1 mks.uucp
1 morningstar.com
1 msc.edu
1 mtus5.earn
1 nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil
1 nodec.rsvl.unisys.com
1 ocf.berkeley.edu
1 ofa123.fidonet.org
1 pavlov.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu
1 quest.uucp
1 rose3.rosemount.com
1 s1.msi.umn.edu
1 scifi.uucp
1 seachg.uucp
1 sialis.com
1 src.honeywell.com
1 stl.stc.co.uk
1 syacus.acus.oz.au
1 tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com
1 tsa.co.uk
1 vicstoy.uucp
1 wolves.uucp
1 zip.convergent.com
2 sx1100.rsvl.unisys.com
2 uninor.uucp
2 unislc.uucp
2 uunet.uucp
3 brainiac.mn.org
4 dvncnms.uucp
4 dvnspc1.dev.unisys.com
4 ficc.ferranti.com
6 com2serv.c2s.mn.org
6 gotham.rsvl.unisys.com
6 s5000.rsvl.unisys.com
Regards, David Wright STL, London Road, Harlow, Essex CM17 9NA, UK
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