venta@otello.sublink.org (Paolo Ventafridda) (03/26/91)
From article <A{}=Z=$@rpi.edu>, by gordon@aix01.aix.rpi.edu (Gordon E. Greene):
> I for one am not interested in 19 parts of the jargon file.
Me too, Gordon. I might be interested in diffs or upgrades to the old
one i already have.
Usually people post diffs/patches/upgrades or just a notice on where to
retrieve the latest version. I can't see why jargon needs a complete
repost once a month. Do you imagine a complete repost of each source
which needs a patch?
Jargon is a nice work, but the way it's coming out on the news really
upsets, and i'm currently saving all jargons inside /dev/null.
I think it's time to give a break to this thing, before we start
getting Jargon part 1/437.....
REMOVING THE OLD JARGON AND SAVING THE NEW ONE TAKES MORE TIME THAN
APPLYING A SIMPLE PATCH.
Greetings, Paolo
from ITALY, where phone calls cost money. I guess jargon is
coming from the Land Of Free Calls (or, better, of ftp).
[Better point out that i appreciate Jargon, what i don't like
is JUST the way it's being distributed]
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Paolo Ventafridda -*- INTERNET: venta@otello.sublink.org
TELEMATIX MILANO - Via C.Gomes 10, 20124 Milano - +39-2-6706012jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) (03/27/91)
In article <1307@otello.sublink.org> venta@otello.sublink.org (Paolo Ventafridda) writes: >I can't see why jargon needs a complete repost once a month. Do you imagine >a complete repost of each source which needs a patch? You haven't been paying attention. Version 2.8.1 was about 85000 bytes long. When I tried doing a diff between that at version 2.7.1, the diff file was about 875000 bytes long. So far, each time the middle digit has changed, THE DIFFS ARE BIGGER THAN THE ORIGINAL. Eric *has* been posting diffs for 2.8.2 and 2.8.3. -- Joe Smith (408)922-6220 | SMTP: jms@tardis.tymnet.com or jms@gemini.tymnet.com BT Tymnet Tech Services | UUCP: ...!{ames,pyramid}!oliveb!tymix!tardis!jms PO Box 49019, MS-C51 | BIX: smithjoe | CA license plate: "POPJ P," (PDP-10) San Jose, CA 95161-9019 | humorous dislaimer: "My Amiga 3000 speaks for me."
law@sievax.enet.dec.com (Mathew Law) (03/28/91)
In article <1666@tardis.Tymnet.COM>, jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) writes: > >You haven't been paying attention. > >Version 2.8.1 was about 85000 bytes long. When I tried doing a diff >>between that at version 2.7.1, the diff file was about 875000 bytes >>long. I don't know what kind of diff you are using, but when I perform the same diff (between 2.7.1 and 2.8.1) I get a file of just under 430000 bytes. This is less than half the size of a complete repost. The diff between 2.6.1 and 2.7.1 was between 600000 and 700000 bytes - still less than a full repost. I'm another one in the band of people who like what Eric is doing, but would have preferred less frequent postings, or posting of diffs when these became shorter than the whole file. What does it matter now anyway? Any bandwidth wasting has already been done. Oh, and Eric: Good Luck with the book! -- +------+-------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Mat. | law@sievax.enet.dec.com | Mathew B. Law. (Contractor) | | *:o) | Tel: +44 734 853273 | Digital Equipment Co., Reading, UK | +------+-------------------------+------------------------------------+ The above is quite probably rubbish. Blame me, not Digital.
barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) (03/28/91)
In article <1991Mar27.162359.20502@hollie.rdg.dec.com> law@sievax.enet.dec.com (Mathew Law) writes: >I don't know what kind of diff you are using, but when I perform the >same diff (between 2.7.1 and 2.8.1) I get a file of just under 430000 >bytes. This is less than half the size of a complete repost. The diff >between 2.6.1 and 2.7.1 was between 600000 and 700000 bytes - still less >than a full repost. Were you doing a context diff? They include a couple of lines of surrounding text for each change. This makes them preferable when posting changes to files that might have been edited by users, as the context allows patch programs to find lines that have moved, or determine that the user has made their own, incompatible changes to a section that also appears in the diff. Since reviewers may be making their own edits to the file, this is a good feature. However, the extra lines make the diff bigger; an ordinary diff that looks like: 123c145 < this is the old line --- > this is the new line will look like the following in a context diff: *************** *** 122,124 **** This line hasn't changed at all ! this is the old line This line is also the same --- 144,146 ---- This line hasn't changed at all ! this is the new line This line is also the same In this little example, the size of the diff nearly quadrupled. It's probably not so bad in the jargon file, since many of the changes are whole entries and one or both of the surrounding lines will probably be a blank. -- Barry Margolin, Thinking Machines Corp. barmar@think.com {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
peter@ficc.ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) (03/28/91)
HE KILLED MABEL! See the expansion to "always mount a scratch monkey". Follow up by checking the appendix. The story of Mabel is gone. Unless there's some really good reason for it, *my* copy of the Jargon file is gonna keep Mabel around. -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' peter@ferranti.com +1 713 274 5180. 'U` "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
phil@adam.adelaide.edu.au (Phil Kernick) (03/29/91)
peter@ficc.ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >HE KILLED MABEL! Oh no, not again... >See the expansion to "always mount a scratch monkey". Follow up by checking >the appendix. The story of Mabel is gone. I feel that Mabel should be put back. Immediately. >Unless there's some really good reason for it, *my* copy of the Jargon >file is gonna keep Mabel around. If you dislike this action, mail Eric and tell him so. -- o| /// Phil Kernick EMail: phil@adam.adelaide.edu.au |o | /// Departmental Engineer Phone: +618 228 5914 | o| \\\/// Dept. of Psychology Fax: +618 224 0464 |o | \/// University of Adelaide Mail: GPO Box 498 Adelaide SA 5001 |