chguest@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov.arpa (Charles Guest RCE) (09/20/88)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I would like to thank everyone who responded to my previous question about the challenger disaster. I particularly want to thankthose of you who e-mailed me some fairly detailed responses. I have one followup question......Does yone on the net know where I can get a detailed written account of the Challenger accident and the post accident investigation including details and possibly photographs of the wreckage of the accident? I am still interestd in the details of the crews last minutes as well. Thank you again for all of the previous responses. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ************************************************************ * OVERAL AND ALL INCLUSIVE DISCLAIMER: * * (except for what I left out and meant to say) * * The above reply/article is my opinion **only* * * True and articulable facts had no bearing on * * the above statements. 8=) :-) :-> * ************************************************************
greg@proxftl.UUCP (Gregory N. Hullender) (09/20/88)
In article <15152@ames.arc.nasa.gov> chguest@nike.UUCP (Charles Guest RCE) writes: >I have one followup question......Does yone on the net know >where I can get a detailed written account of the Challenger >accident and the post accident investigation including details >and possibly photographs of the wreckage of the accident? I thought "Challenger: A Major Malfunction" by Malcom Boyd (I think that's the author) was very complete. Some reviewers complained that the author speculated too much on possible corruption among the major contractors who built the thing in the first place, but he always makes a clear distinction between agreed facts and his own speculations, and those speculations are a minority of the work anyway. -- Greg Hullender uflorida!novavax!proxftl!greg 3511 NE 22nd Ave / Fort Lauderdale, FL 33308 My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer.
sproule@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jr. William J. Sproule) (09/20/88)
There was some press coverage a couple of months ago about a possible court order to release the flight tapes of the Challenger. Does anyone know if these were released, and if so, does anyone have a transcript of the tapes?? Bill Sproule CIT - Systems Princeton University sproule@purt1.Princeton.EDU sproule@pucc.bitnet 609-452-6089
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (09/21/88)
In article <794@proxftl.UUCP> greg@proxftl.UUCP (Gregory N. Hullender) writes: >In article <15152@ames.arc.nasa.gov> chguest@nike.UUCP (Charles Guest RCE) writes: >>I have one followup question......Does yone on the net know >>where I can get a detailed written account of the Challenger >>accident and the post accident investigation including details >>and possibly photographs of the wreckage of the accident? > >I thought "Challenger: A Major Malfunction" by Malcom Boyd (I think that's >the author) was very complete... If you are seriously interested in the matter, one document you obviously want to read, which contains a detailed account of the accident and the investigation, complete with photos, is the report of the investigation! The complete report may be fairly hard to find, but the first volume -- essentially the complete report minus a lot of supporting documentation -- should (I hope) be in any good public library. Look for "Report of the Presidential Commission on the Space Shuttle Accident". (I'll post a more detailed reference when I get home tonight.) The report was a slightly hurried job, since the commission had a firm deadline to meet, and some doubts have been raised about certain aspects since, but it is definitely the right place to start. -- NASA is into artificial | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology stupidity. - Jerry Pournelle | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (09/21/88)
In article <3704@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> sproule@purt1.Princeton.EDU writes: >There was some press coverage a couple of months ago about a possible court >order to release the flight tapes of the Challenger. Does anyone know if >these were released, and if so, does anyone have a transcript of the tapes?? The tapes in question were released. They contained a bunch of general pre-disaster chitchat, mostly. They ran only a fraction of a second beyond the communications-link tapes, and the only extra content was one of the crew saying "uh-oh" as things started to go wrong. Space shuttles, unlike airliners, do not carry crash recorders; don't confuse these ordinary voice recordings with the sort of "flight tapes" used to analyze air crashes. NASA's reluctance to release them was mostly because of a long-standing rule that on-board conversations are private unless explicitly intended otherwise. (Eugene, here's another you might want to consider...) -- NASA is into artificial | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology stupidity. - Jerry Pournelle | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (09/22/88)
As promised, here's the full reference: Report of the Presidential Commission on the Space Shuttle Challenger Accident. Volume I. No other author, title, or ISBN given (really!). Vol. I is the nicely-bound report that was published widely. Volumes II-V are a bunch more appendixes and great masses of testimony. I'm not sure whether Vol I is still in print -- probably -- but if so, it should be available from United States Government Printing Office Superintendent of Documents Washington, DC 20402 USA I don't remember how much my copy cost, but it was something like $10. I think Aviation Week has also offered it, but the two issues I've got on hand don't carry one of their in-house book ads -- I'll keep my eyes open for one. Any good library ought to have a copy of Vol I, and maybe the other volumes if it's a really good library. As I said before, do remember that the commission only had four months to do its job, and there is room for criticism about some aspects of the report. It is not the last word on Challenger. It is, however, the *first* (authoritative) word, and anyone seriously interested in the matter should read it. In particular, please do not rant network-wide about how wrong it was without reading it first! Most of the popular presentations of the material have oversimplified it; just Vol I is 200+ pages, including about 25 pages of color photos, and it does not lend itself to being *accurately* summarized in a few paragraphs. -- NASA is into artificial | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology stupidity. - Jerry Pournelle | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
mike@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Mike Smithwick) (09/24/88)
In article <1988Sep22.052539.3202@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: >As promised, here's the full reference: > >Report of the Presidential Commission on the Space Shuttle Challenger >Accident. Volume I. No other author, title, or ISBN given (really!). > >Vol. I is the nicely-bound report that was published widely. Volumes II-V >are a bunch more appendixes and great masses of testimony. I'm not sure >whether Vol I is still in print -- probably -- but if so, it should be >available from > > United States Government Printing Office > Superintendent of Documents > Washington, DC 20402 USA > >I don't remember how much my copy cost, but it was something like $10. Here's the breakdown of the other 4 volumes : Volume II : Shuttle Reliability Human Factors Flight Readiness Review of O-Rings NASA Pre-launch Activities Team Report NASA Mission Planning and Operations Team Report NASA Development and Production Team Report NASA Accident Analysis Team Report Comments by Morton-Thiokol Volume III: NASA Photo and TV Support Team Report NASA Search Recovery and Reconstruction Task Force Report Volume IV : Transcripts of the hearings, Feb. 6, 1986 to Feb. 25 Volume V : Transcripts from Feb. 26, to May 2. I can't find any prices on the volumes, but I recall that they were around $15 to $20 each. Volume III is the best of the set (next to volume I), full of photos. Volumes IV and V may seem really boring, but they do contain reprints of all of the viewgraphs and photos presented as evidence during the hearings. -- *** mike (starship janitor) smithwick *** "he's braindead Jim. . ." [disclaimer : nope, I don't work for NASA, I take full blame for my ideas]
adamsd@crash.cts.com (Adams Douglas) (09/27/88)
Summary: Expires: References: <15152@ames.arc.nasa.gov> <794@proxftl.UUCP> <1988Sep21.165000.20167@utzoo.uucp> <1988Sep22.052539.3202@utzoo.uucp> <15412@ames.arc.nasa.gov> Sender: Reply-To: adamsd@crash.CTS.COM (Adams Douglas) Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: Crash TS, El Cajon, CA Keywords: Unless I am recalling incorrectly, volumes IV and V are only available on microfilm.
mike@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Mike Smithwick) (09/28/88)
In article <3473@crash.cts.com> adamsd@crash.cts.com (Adams Douglas) writes:
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Nope, sorry Adams, volumes IV and V are in book form, I have the entire set.
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*** mike (starship janitor) smithwick ***
"he's braindead Jim. . ."
[disclaimer : nope, I don't work for NASA, I take full blame for my ideas]