smryan@garth.UUCP (Steven Ryan) (12/04/88)
>> Whereas mailing Canadian jingoism instead of posting it is merely cowardice. >I have had significant dealings with Americans from all parts of the USA and >have found them to be, for the most part, extremely likable people. You forgot to mark this with the standard disclaimer: begin disclaimer section I cannot be biassed against Americans, because ..... end disclaimer section I will be honest. I have not worked with many people whom I have known to be Canadian. I didn't consider citizenship to be relevant or even my business. Putting labels on people is only useful when you wish to put them in box and then attack the box instead of the people. Mayhaps, I should reconsider that. >unfortunatly, are proof positive that the UGLY american is still in existance. Isn't that amazing how is his knee just jerks right out? Can I do again? Let me try: Lumber products. Of course, we know there's no such thing as an Ugly Canadian. Not privy to Canadian.politics, I must assume some strange transformation of the term `Ugly American.' It referred to American imperialism, the idea being that interference with or JUDGEMENT of the affairs of another country was ugly. Now it means that this American is deemed Ugly to us because he asked us not to interfere with or judge the internal affairs of his country. >Not only are you bombastic and offensive, you are also unable to use the >english language correctly. As always, complaints about spelling and language are silly. unfortunatly/unfortunately existance/existence english/English (au parlez-vous francais?) strenghts/strengths >No one has displayed any jingoism in this discussion of the US space program/ >NASA except yourself. Why, the way you totally miss the point is amazing. Do you use mirrors? Somehow you have managed to twist a characterisation of a suite of letters, only some of which I posted, into a characterisation of public messages which I had explicitly excluded. >> Whereas mailing Canadian jingoism instead of posting it is merely cowardice. The operative word here is `mailing.' Nobody voluntarily `displayed' their jingoism. Most of it I flushed down the toilet (they were of that calibre). >discussion of the strenghts and weakness of NASA and it's management (or >lack thereof). Of course, you have seen just so many nasty things to such comments, right? Right. How the hell can I get it through your peasized brain that I am complaining about Henry's damn .SIGNATURE which he uses THROUGHOUT the network to stand JUDGEMENT on the affairs of my country? I guess that makes Henry a Beautiful Canadian. But nope. Any criticism of one aspect of one's person behaviour is met by this drivel where you have make me up as some imperialist against whom nearly every Canadian on the entire network must rally against. Being a internationalist does not mean attacking people and affairs and then saying `no, you can't attack me, because that wouldn't be being an internationalist.' What does mean to striving for international cooperation, not by treading on people's toes, but respecting differences while emphasising similarities. >a reaction to your continous stream of boorish comments. Canadians find it boorish. Turns out some Americans are just as sick of Henry's flaunting snide remarks all over the network as I am. >If you wish to discuss this further, please move to talk.bizarre, as the rest >of us would like to read articles concerning the subject we're here to >discuss in the first place - SPACE and SPACE.SHUTTLES, not your inability >to articulate in an intelligent interchange of ideas. Now isn't that cute. You don't want discuss this, so shut up. Do you think shuttles grow on trees? Somebody has to pay for them. >p.s. My opinions are my own. Pity, because so many of your countrymen seem to share them. Ta-ta. -- +------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ |`I had a boyfriend from Canada, but |`There is nobody who take the | |I had to give him up--you lose so |responsibility and solve this problem for| |much in the exchange rate.' -C Snow |us. We have to do it ourselves.' -G Dyer| +------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
donegan@stanton.TCC.COM (Steven P. Donegan) (12/05/88)
Please move the personal attacks (from both sides) to another discussion area. This area is for shuttle related topics, not alt.flame style verbiage. Thank you. -- Steven P. Donegan These opinions are given on MY time, not Sr. Telecommunications Analyst Western Digital's Western Digital Corp. stanton!donegan || donegan@stanton.TCC.COM || donegan%stanton@tcc.com
leblanc@grads.cs.ubc.ca (David LeBlanc) (12/05/88)
In article <2104@garth.UUCP> smryan@garth.UUCP (Steven Ryan) writes: [a bunch of garbled crap in which he attacks not only the poster (which is fine), but an entire nation of people] >I suppose it is a tragedy having to eke out your life with the Canadian >Inferiority Complex. Perhaps I should take pity on you and your >countrymen. There are difficulties being a superpower, and it will be >hard when we join England as the has-beens, but it must be such a terribly >bitter fate to be a Canadian never-could-have-been. > Look pecker-brain (my girlfriend's fave insult) if you want to flame someone, that's fine, we'll all look on in amusement. But being the brain-dead asshole that you seem to be, you expand your argument to include the population of an entire country. It's shit-for-brains like you that have given rise to the term "ugly American" throughout the entire world. Obviously, anyone who doesn't recognize the US as the greatest country in the world is an inferior being, right? Thank (insert diety of choice here) most Americans (that I've met) don't share your bigoted attitudes or the joking generalizations the world uses about the US would be true. Don't get me wrong, most people think their country is the best and rightly so. But only those with IQ's less than their shoe size figure that because they believe it, it must be true. If you want to have an argument with myself, or anyone else, about what the best country in the world is, than take it to email so others aren't insulted by your generalizations. Logical discussions about the merits and demerits of a particular society are fine, but the bigoted drivel you posted is insulting to myself, and most others as well (I would hope). As a final note. I feel sorry for you and those like you. You're so busy putting down 'inferior' countries and demonstrating your 'superiority' that you can't realize how diverse and wonderful the world is. I've met people like you in many places throughout the world. They're always whining that 'these places are uncivilized, they don't act at all like us' and looking for 'good ol American food' (MacDonalds). Too bad. David LeBlanc
calderaa@silver.bacs.indiana.edu (Alan J. Caldera) (12/05/88)
Okay, folks, enough is enough. Let's save the flaming for alt.flame or some
other associated forum. sci.space.shuttle is not a very appropriate place
for these types of insults between nations. Maybe there should be a newsgroup
called alt.flame.nationalistic.insults. Oh by the way, anyone that is miffed
by my comments may either send them to me or post to alt.flame. Thank
you for your attention.
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UUCP: {inuxc,rutgers,pyramid,pur-ee}!iuvax!silver!calderaaholroyd@dinl.uucp (kevin w. holroyd) (12/06/88)
Is anyone else getting tired of listening to this discussion? It seems to me that what started out as a discussion has now degenerated to just plain name-calling. (And not very nice names!). Since it is illegal to use profanity over the air waves because anyone can intercept it, does the same apply to the computer nets? I don't particularly care to read articles using such epithets as p**ker-head and s**t-for-brains. Should we start a new, moderated group for this? How about rec.profanity or soc.sticks_and_stones?
sheppard@caen.engin.umich.edu (Kenneth Charles Sheppardson) (12/06/88)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In article <796@dinl.mmc.UUCP>, holroyd@dinl.uucp (kevin w. holroyd) writes: > Is anyone else getting tired of listening to this discussion? ... YES The header says : Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,talk.politics.misc Why do you people feel obligated to continue this discussion sci.space.shuttle ? I realize you have every right to post anything you feel is related to the topic of the newsgroup, but may I suggest we adopt a standard summary for this type of posting, so that those of us who aren't interested in your opinions can weed them out more easily ? (see header) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Sheppardson sheppard@caen.engin.umich.edu
sayan@athena.mit.edu (Sayan Chakraborty) (12/06/88)
Steve Ryan, whoever you are. Please stop. I said please. This has gone on too long. I do (really) see the value in investigating the inputs to our current space policy. This is not that, this is fighting over what I thought was an information exchange. I am American, I'm proud of it, but it doesn't make me a saint. Remember this, no one, no one stands alone. No one. If you have some time between your inane flames, take a look at your texts. You'll see names like Bernoulli, Euler, Newton, Stokes, Archimedes, - and oh my! Some of them aren't even American. And each in their own way have contributed to our space program-- a hell of a lot more than you have. Until you accomplish one-tenth of the work of the aforementioned, don't knock other peoples input. Especially since yours is so valueless. I'm sorry if this is rude, but I'm trying to wake you up. I'm tired of your letters. Sayan Chakraborty MIT Space Systems Lab sayan@athena.mit.edu
c60a-2di@e260-2d.berkeley.edu (The Cybermat Rider) (12/06/88)
In article <796@dinl.mmc.UUCP> holroyd@dinl.UUCP (kevin w. holroyd) writes: >Is anyone else getting tired of listening to this discussion? I SURE AM!!! It's gotten to the point where I can't even remember what the bickering's supposed to be about!! > Since it is illegal to use >profanity over the air waves because anyone can intercept it, does the same >apply to the computer nets? I'm not sure about the legality of all this, but it sure is VERY UNPLEASANT AND UNSAVORY!! > Should we start a new, >moderated group for this? How about rec.profanity or soc.sticks_and_stones? Frankly, that isn't the solution. As (hopefully) mature human beings, we should be treating each other, if not with respect, then at least with civility. Profanities and petty arguments don't make the originators look very smart. Besides, this is taking up too much net.bandwidth! In the hope of helping resolving this conflict once and for all, I believe this bickering started with the question of whether Canadians have a right to comment on NASA's policies and courses of action. I personally believe that ANYONE, regardless of nationality, race, religion, sex, etc. who has a constructive suggestion on a problem faced by ANY individual/organization can and SHOULD POLITELY voice his opinion (this, of course, rules out snide remarks and useless comments). If he/she/it chooses not to be as least receptive to your suggestion, then he/she/it is the FOOL, not you. Feel free to comment on the above - I'm only one person, and hence can't be right even MOST of the time (it usually takes a meeting of minds to achieve such frequencies of accuracy). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adrian Ho a.k.a. The Cybermat Rider University of California, Berkeley c60a-2di@web.berkeley.edu Disclaimer: Nobody takes me seriously, so is it really necessary?
wbt@cbnews.ATT.COM (William B. Thacker) (12/06/88)
In article <796@dinl.mmc.UUCP> holroyd@dinl.UUCP (kevin w. holroyd) writes: >Since it is illegal to use >profanity over the air waves because anyone can intercept it, does the same >apply to the computer nets? Since when has it been illegal to use profanity over the airwaves ? Do you watch Dallas ? Morton Downey Jr. ? The networks censor themselves to prevent public outrage, but I know of no "law" controlling broadcast of profanity. In fact, I don't know if there's even a law *defining* profanity. Seems like it'd be tough to write one. Of course, if the broadcast went too far, it could be considered obscene, and then the network could be prosecuted for pandering... ------------------------------ valuable coupon ------------------------------- Bill Thacker att!cbnews!wbt "C" combines the power of assembly language with the flexibility of assembly language. Disclaimer: Farg 'em if they can't take a joke ! ------------------------------- clip and save --------------------------------
jim@infinet.UUCP (Jim G) (12/06/88)
In article <131@ubc-cs.UUCP> leblanc@grads.cs.ubc.ca (David LeBlanc) writes: >Look pecker-brain ... Well said. Thanks a lot. Most of us are really embarrissed to live in the same country as this guy. Please accept our apologies.
smryan@garth.UUCP (Steven Ryan) (12/07/88)
>Is anyone else getting tired of listening to this discussion? >... > I don't particularly care to read articles using >such epithets as p**ker-head and s**t-for-brains. Should we start a new, >moderated group for this? How about rec.profanity or soc.sticks_and_stones? I stand abashed. Since I created the subject line, I am naturally responsible for such remarks from our northern colleagues. -- -- s m ryan ---------------------------------------------------- We're afraid Dukakis would be too protectionist.... Our farmers feel the rice market belongs to them.... -- Japanese commentator
ugthomps@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Gregory Thompson) (12/07/88)
Dear Steven M Ryan,
Twice now I have mailed you directly asking, ney BEGGING you to stop
your postings concerning this topic. I am sure that you have received
mail from quite a number of other people asking you to stop.
I do not know what your intention in continuing this is. However,
if it is to "prove your point" or "show how correct and innocent you are"
you have long since lost your point. I don't think there is anyone left
on this newsgroup who has any respect for you left whatsoever.
Now, if you're going to flame me about this, do it through mail if you must
do it at all. However, be advised that I will *NOT* respond. If that
is victory to you then it is your victory.
The reason why I am posting this here, is I am asking those people
who ARE responding to this in talk.politics.misc to PLEASE PLEASE
remove SCI.SPACE.SHUTTLE from the newsgroup listing when responding
to these articles.
Furthermore, those people responding to this in sci.space.shuttle,
I think many hundreds of people would be GREATLY appreciative if
you would just ignore this person entirely. Responding only
lets him continue his little tirade.
And lastly, if Mr. Ryan continues with his tirade, would someone who
is close to this person either at his site or near DO something about
him? ( I know this is difficult, but this person is a serious detriment
to at least this news group (sci.space.shuttle).
- Greg
holroyd@dinl.uucp (kevin w. holroyd) (12/08/88)
In article <2480@cbnews.ATT.COM> wbt@cbnews.ATT.COM (William B. Thacker) writes: > stuff deleted >Since when has it been illegal to use profanity over the airwaves ? Do >you watch Dallas ? Morton Downey Jr. ? > >The networks censor themselves to prevent public outrage, but I know of >no "law" controlling broadcast of profanity. In fact, I don't know if >there's even a law *defining* profanity. Seems like it'd be tough to >write one. > It has been illegal to use profanity over the airwaves ever since the FCC made it illegal. This is similar to laws such as spitting on the sidewalk, which are rarely enforced. The television/radio networks get away with it because no one really cares. (And they don't always get away with it. Have you ever heard of Howard Stern?) I am a professional pilot, and I can guarantee you that if I slip in talking to air traffic control and use profanity, I can expect the FAA to have a little talk with me when I get down. In fact, there are cases where mike buttons stick and profanity is used in the cockpit in the course of normal conversation that result in admonishment from the FAA. The FAA, and the FCC have the power to fine you or suspend your license under these circumstances. Please let's take anymore discussion about this subject, which doesn't belong in sci.space.shuttle, off-line. E-mail any responses, I refuse to net about this any more. Kevin W. Holroyd
millard@eos.UUCP (Millard Edgerton) (12/08/88)
I read a most of the sci.space&(.shuttle.) I do not profess to know all the technical and political answers, so I have remained silent and may appear 'stupid and/or ignorant. However that is preferable to speaking up and removing all DOUBT! In these newsgroups I expect science, theory and fact along with 'old fashion' Coffee Cafe 'open' discussion. Let us return to upright humans rather than snarling animals. Thanks for reading and considering. Millard *************************************************************************** * Intelligent people talk about ideas. | Standard disclaimer(s) * * Average people talk about things. | Millard J. Edgerton, WA6VZZ * * Small people talk about other people. | millard@eos.arc.nasa.gov * * -o- | -o- * * Employed by Sterling Software at NASA Ames Research Center. * ***************************************************************************
smryan@garth.UUCP (Steven Ryan) (12/09/88)
>In article <131@ubc-cs.UUCP> leblanc@grads.cs.ubc.ca (David LeBlanc) writes: >>Look pecker-brain ... > >Well said. Thanks a lot. Most of us are really embarrissed to live in the >same country as this guy. Please accept our apologies. Yes, of course. Any polite and reasonable request to Henry should be recognised for the embarassing Yankee imperialistic censorship that it is. Especially with the example of Pretty Canadians like Henry, Tracy, and Davey. -- -- s m ryan ---------------------- Joyeaux Noel!!
smryan@garth.UUCP (Steven Ryan) (12/10/88)
>And lastly, if Mr. Ryan continues with his tirade, would someone who >is close to this person either at his site or near DO something about >him? ( I know this is difficult, but this person is a serious detriment >to at least this news group (sci.space.shuttle). I glad censorship is dead and dying in SUNY/Buffalo. I take it then that the correct response to Henry is to write a letter to the Canadian consulate? -- -- s m ryan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Voici mon secret. Il est tres simple: on ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux.
smryan@garth.UUCP (Steven Ryan) (12/10/88)
>Now, if you're going to flame me about this, do it through mail if you must >do it at all. However, be advised that I will *NOT* respond. That's good, because that's the same response I got from Henry and his minions before this started. Apparently, they are well enough informed to send hate mail, but they do not know how to respond to requests. -- -- s m ryan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Voici mon secret. Il est tres simple: on ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux.
dtynan@sultra.UUCP (Der Tynan) (12/10/88)
In article <2161@garth.UUCP>, smryan@garth.UUCP (Steven Ryan) writes: > >In article <131@ubc-cs.UUCP> leblanc@grads.cs.ubc.ca (David LeBlanc) writes: > >>Look pecker-brain ... > > > >Well said. Thanks a lot. Most of us are really embarrissed to live in the > >same country as this guy. Please accept our apologies. > > Yes, of course. Any polite and reasonable request to Henry should be > recognised for the embarassing Yankee imperialistic censorship that it is. > > Especially with the example of Pretty Canadians like Henry, Tracy, and Davey. > -- s m ryan Is this english? I've read through this junk three times now, and it has about as much logic as the ramblings of a two-year-old. Please, please, PLEASE take this crap out of here. In short, "Shut the **** up!". One more posting, and I'll be sending mail to postmaster@garth, and neighbouring UUCP sites, to remove this drivel from the network. On a related note, please don't use Northern Ireland to support your points. You *obviously* don't know what you're talking about, and it is offensive to those of us who have been there. If you want to prove to the rest of the country (and other countries too!) that you have no inkling of what you're talking about, please keep it to the appropriate group. Guess what! This isn't it! - Der -- dtynan@zorba.Tynan.COM (Dermot Tynan @ Tynan Computers) {apple,mips,pyramid,uunet}!Tynan.COM!dtynan --- If the Law is for the People, then why do we need Lawyers? ---