Tom Perrine <tom@LOGICON.ARPA> (12/29/84)
Recently I called ATT Technologies (1-800-828-UNIX).
I was investigating the cost of upgrading a PWB/UNIX source license to
V7 (so we could get 2.9!). We are a subsidiary license of DoD.
They told me that the only upgrade available was to System V Release 2,
which probably wouldn't run on our 11/70. (He couldn't find
out). However, they would ship us a V7 distro tape.
In other words, no matter what you want, you get a Sys V license,
whether your hardware is supported or not, and they will ship you some
older system that probably will run on your hardware.
Foo! Maybe MCI, Sprint or GTE should go into the operating system business.
Anybody have a contact for GNU? I'm completely disgusted.
{Ma Bell is a mother!}
Tom Perrinegwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) (12/29/84)
> Recently I called ATT Technologies (1-800-828-UNIX). > ... > They told me that the only upgrade available was to System V Release 2, > which probably wouldn't run on our 11/70. (He couldn't find > out). ... UNIX System V Release 2.0 runs on PDP-11/70s having fairly standard peripheral configurations. There are a few restrictions (no flexnames, for example) and newer features such as "shl" (shell layers) are not supported on the PDP-11/70. One does wonder why the AT&T sales force has such difficulty answering routine questions like this.
dave@lsuc.UUCP (David Sherman) (01/02/85)
In article <6818@brl-tgr.ARPA> Tom Perrine <tom@LOGICON.ARPA> writes: ||Recently I called ATT Technologies (1-800-828-UNIX). || ||I was investigating the cost of upgrading a PWB/UNIX source license to ||V7 (so we could get 2.9!). We are a subsidiary license of DoD. || ... ||In other words, no matter what you want, you get a Sys V license, ||whether your hardware is supported or not, and they will ship you some ||older system that probably will run on your hardware. || ||Foo! Maybe MCI, Sprint or GTE should go into the operating system business. ||Anybody have a contact for GNU? I'm completely disgusted. I don't understand what you're complaining about. If you ever want to get software from anywhere else, it certainly makes sense for you to have a System V license rather than something earlier. We went through the same business two years ago, and we got a System III license although we're only running v7. May come in useful too. Dave Sherman The Law Society of Upper Canada Toronto -- {utzoo pesnta nrcaero utcs}!lsuc!dave {allegra decvax ihnp4 linus}!utcsrgv!lsuc!dave
chongo@nsc.UUCP (Landon C. Noll) (01/07/85)
In article <263@lsuc.UUCP> dave@lsuc.UUCP (David Sherman) writes: >In article <6818@brl-tgr.ARPA> Tom Perrine <tom@LOGICON.ARPA> writes: >>Recently I called ATT Technologies (1-800-828-UNIX). >> >>I was investigating the cost of upgrading a PWB/UNIX source license to >>V7 (so we could get 2.9!). We are a subsidiary license of DoD. >> ... >>In other words, no matter what you want, you get a Sys V license, >>whether your hardware is supported or not, and they will ship you some >>older system that probably will run on your hardware. >> >>Foo! Maybe MCI, Sprint or GTE should go into the operating system business. >>Anybody have a contact for GNU? I'm completely disgusted. > >I don't understand what you're complaining about. If you ever want >to get software from anywhere else, it certainly makes sense for you >to have a System V license rather than something earlier. We went >through the same business two years ago, and we got a System III license >although we're only running v7. May come in useful too. Some people get so completely disgusted with the way AT&T has pushed Sys V onto the market that they would prefer to not have anything with the whole rot. The fact that you have to get a "standard" UN*X to have the permission to have some other major UN*X source (like V7, 2.xBSD, 4.xBSD...) smells of fully digested food. <BEGIN DRAMATIC IRONY> "Mugsy and I have noticed that you have been selling goods made by the boys from across town." "Yes, well I did. But what is the problem? The other buys got the original stuff from you guys and just changed it." "Yes, well we would prefer you to buy from us. We like it very much when you buy it from us." "But I like their ..." "And it would be a shame we could not protect you from their non-standard products! Wouldn't that me a shame Mugsy?" "Yea. It would be real shame if one of them cross town products harmed one of your disk files..." <END DRAMATIC IRONY> The above is a fictional dialogue and in no way is meant to claim that AT&T is doing anything illegal. Any tie between the MOB and AT&T in the above lines should neither be directly nor indirectly implied. Any attempt to do so is not condoned by the author. As normal: This article is not a statment of policy by my company. chongo <id like to buy a Fish license for my pet fish Eric without Sys V> /\55/\ -- Lome tiranar? Ash Urnikx arda! Ash thrakatuluk krimpatul! A chant from the AT&T marketing book <arpox.>