rjungcla@cbnewsd.ATT.COM (R. M. Jungclas) (11/17/89)
MANY THANKS TO THOSE WHO VOTED. An attempt was made to individually acknowledge each vote. A few of these were bounced back and I gave up after the second try. The voting period for the creation of "rec.models.rockets" ended at midnight (24:00) November 15th. A total of 212 valid votes, 196 YES (92.5%) and 16 NO (7.5%) votes were received within the specified time frame. (12.3 YES votes were received for each NO vote.) With a margin of 180 votes, the proposal easily PASSES indicating that "rec.models.rockets" should be created. A total of 5 INVALID VOTES, 4 YES and 1 NO, were also received and these are explained below. The list of voters is given below. >AFTER the vote result is posted, there will be a 5 day waiting >period during which the net will have a chance to correct any >errors in the voter list or the voting procedure. Since I'll be offsite from Nov 18 thru Nov 26, I will not take action to have the formal newgroup request sent out until November 27th. Please inform me of any irregularities/comments that you spot by then. COMMENTS: I am surprised on the size of vote turnout. I had expected a more marginal victory. The 100 vote margin was obtained on the 7th day of voting. The vote was taken under the OLD guidelines (30 day voting period.) (The vote was 187 YES and 15 NO after 21 days.) A comparison between this attempt and other new newsgroup attempts is given below. Only one vote was counted per email address (ie. duplicates & proxy votes were removed). As it turned out this applied only to YES votes. 24 (20 YES and 4 NO) votes were received before the official start of the vote (midnight (24:00) Oct 16th). These votes were NOT included in the above totals, but email was sent to EVERY voter and asked to re-vote. All but 3 voters (2 YES and 1 NO) recast their votes. The original call for votes just specified "midnight Oct 16th." There apparently was some confusion of whether midnight means 00:00+ Oct. 16th or 24:00- Oct 16th which I subsquently cleared up with later calls for votes. Webster's dictionary defines midnight as "12 o'clock at night" which is the meaning that I intended. The votes that were not included should be an issue since they help to establish a greater YES margin. One person changed his vote from NO to YES, but the YES vote was disallowed as it wasn't explicit enough. (Ie. empty email body, subject line just contained "YES" and there was no references to any newsgroups.) The net result is the NO vote is still included in the total above. Mail was sent to this individual asking him if he really intended to change his vote and informing him of his invalidated YES vote. No reply was received by the voting deadline. One YES vote was relayed through another login as the voter could NOT get mail directly through to me. Although this relayed mail clearly contained the voter's mail, the YES vote was INVALIDATED because it could be considered as a "proxy" vote. However, I did send mail to this voter and he was able to return mail by the deadline, so a valid YES vote was received. COMPARISION: A comparision of "rec.models.rockets" voting results with other recent voting results: YES NO YES/NO comp.infosystem 190 32 5.9 comp.object 884 21 42.1 comp.os.os2 192 28 6.9 comp.sys.m88k 131 6 21.8 comp.sys.mac.hardware 254 22 11.5 misc.rural 236 19 12.4 rec.ord.sca 160 20 8.0 rec.radio.shortwave 265 10 26.5 rec.sport.football split 87 33 2.6 sci.aquaria 466 320 1.5 soc.culture.korean 181 32 5.7 soc.culture.latin.america 238 23 10.3 AVERAGE 273.7 47.2 12.9 SCREENED AVERAGE 193.4 22.5 11.2 rec.models.rockets 196 16 12.3 The SCREENED AVERAGE was the average for all of these minus the sci.aquaria and comp.object statistics. Both of these newsgroups due to the extremely large vote turnout bias the overall AVERAGE. Voter turnout on rec.models.rockets (212) was slightly less than the screened average (215.9) but had a more favorable (YES) response (12.3) than the screened average (11.2) and slightly less than the overall ratio (12.9). ================== Voter List ================================= The voting list is arranged by NO, YES and INVALID votes and then alphabetically by last name. When no name is available, my best shot (ie person's login id etc.) is given between question marks. Email addresses are reported directly as they appear from our mail header. 16 NO votes: ?tower?, Len tower@bu-it.BU.EDU Berryhill, John berryh@udel.edu Borchard, Otmar otmar%hpcvia@hplabs.hp.com Carpenter, Jeffrey James jjc@unix.cis.pitt.edu Hsu, Jeffrey unisoft!hsu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Jones, Llewellyn att!ll1a!cej Matthews, Brian uw-beaver!6sigma!blm Miller, Richard H. rick@pavlov.bcm.tmc.edu PICKERING, JIM gatech!ucsd!sdsu!rducky!jrp@cwjcc.INS.CWRU.Edu Ramsey, Tim tar@ksuvax1.cis.ksu.edu Roche, Jim roche@cs.rochester.edu Salz, Rich rsalz@BBN.COM Tuel, Cliff ctuel@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU Vogel, Phillip M. phillip@bartal.crlabs.com welty, richard welty@lewis.crd.ge.com Wilcoxon, Scot E sewilco@datapg.MN.ORG 196 YES votes: ?bak?, Peter microsoft!peterbak@beaver.cs.washington.edu ?cobb?, Jim jcobb%pixel@cs.utah.edu ?debolt? debolt@cgl.ucsf.EDU ?evan? plx!koosh!evan@Sun.COM ?gordo? gordo@ATHENA.MIT.EDU ?ha?, Mark microsoft!markha@uunet.uu.net ?jhm? jhm@EBay.Sun.COM ?jpm? att!bcr!rruxi!jpm ?mmm? portal!cup.portal.com!mmm@Sun.COM ?preacher?, iuvax!mailrus!sharkey!lopez!preacher ?reith? reith@destop.enet.dec.com ?smith? sequent!aero!smith@aerospace.aero.org ?tyler? tyler@raven1.enet.dec.com ?ummouss2? ummouss2@ccu.UManitoba.CA Albrecht, Tom tom@dvnspc1.DEV.UNISYS.COM Allen, Bruce balen@pnet01.cts.com Allendorf, Scott Scott.Allendorf@CERES.Physics.UIowa.Edu Ames, Bob root@rush.cts.com Anderson, Joel P. att!ncr-sd!ncrlnk!ncrcce!ncrcce.StPaul.NCR.COM!anderson Antonelli, Charles J. cja@ifs.umich.edu Arms, Mike sandia!marms@unmvax.cs.unm.edu Armstron, Ann pyuxd!ald Arras, Michael arras@icase.edu Baker, Jon gtephx!bakerj Baldi, J. 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