[sci.space.shuttle] Unauthorized use of SRB's

Greg_d._Moore@mts.rpi.edu (Commander Krugannal) (03/17/90)

      I know that work is being done on the Shuttle-C but has
   thought ever been given to other uses of the SRB's? Perhaps
   as a launcher by themselves. Would extra segments have to be
   added to increase burntime? 
     Just a thought.
 
   Greg_d._Moore@mts.rpi.edu
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henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (03/18/90)

In article <10556.1440.forumexp@mts.rpi.edu> Greg_d._Moore@mts.rpi.edu (Commander Krugannal) writes:
>      I know that work is being done on the Shuttle-C but has
>   thought ever been given to other uses of the SRB's? Perhaps
>   as a launcher by themselves...

By itself, an SRB couldn't make it into orbit.  There have been proposals
for SRB-based launchers using two or three stages, however.  It could be
done, but there are some technical issues with segmented solids as upper
stages (or so I'm told), and nobody has been sufficiently impressed with
the idea to pursue it.  I've heard SRB-X (one of the SRB-based concepts)
described as "the single worst shuttle-derived launcher ever proposed".
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andre@cix.UUCP (03/18/90)

>   launch now!) you will here the comment "1 engine PRESTEMCO"
>   and "2 engine PRESTEMCO". These signify the point at which
>   the orbiter could safely make it to a stable orbit (once
>   around or even a full orbit) if 1 or 2 engines failed.

Surely that should read "Press to MECO" ...? Where MECO refers to the
Main Engine Cut Off point? (ie: Shuttle is now high enough to press on to
the normal Main Engine cutoff point with only 2 or 1 engines working -
before that come the various abort landing sites at Kennedy, Africa, etc.)

Perhaps someone could confirm this? Being from the UK I don't get to see
too many shuttle launches ... :-) (Did get to see one, though, when on hols in
Flordia last May. Wow!)

Andre

Greg_d._Moore@mts.rpi.edu (Commander Krugannal) (03/18/90)

     Thanks Henry, figured you would have the answer.
 
      To get back to failure of a SSME, if you listen to the
   commentary, (which they don't do as much on the networks 
   anymore, you're lucky if they break the soap operas for the
   launch now!) you will here the comment "1 engine PRESTEMCO"
   and "2 engine PRESTEMCO". These signify the point at which
   the orbiter could safely make it to a stable orbit (once
   around or even a full orbit) if 1 or 2 engines failed.
      As Henry pointed out, a few years ago, (early '85 I think)
   a shuttle orbited to orbit. As a result, its inclination was 
   not as planned and was more northerly than planned. I could
   see the shuttle with the naked eye in CT. 
 
     Final question, think NASA can be talked into rescusing
   INTELSAT VI after launching Hubble?
 
   Greg_d._Moore@mts.rpi.edu
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sw@cbnewsl.ATT.COM (Stuart Warmink) (03/20/90)

>    INTELSAT VI after launching Hubble?
>  
>    Greg_d._Moore@mts.rpi.edu

Unlikely; not only would that require adding some kind of structural
support to hold the satellite down (Discovery is on the pad), but 
Discovery will use almost all of its maneuvering fuel* to get the HST 
up into its 610km high orbit. Chasing another satellite in a different 
orbit seems out of the question.

Then there are the problems associated with actually holding on to the
satellite ( no grappel fixtures) and the sheer size of the bird.

* See _Sky_&_Telescope_, April 1990 - an HST special issue.
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