jkonrath@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jon) (10/11/90)
okay, since we're on such great terms with the Soviets, (ie berlin wall,
glasnot, etc ) and theyve got this great station that they keep up guys
forever, and we've got a great way to 'shuttle' up supplies, well....
The last apollo/soyuz shebang worked pretty well, why don't we just
get together with them on this. I mean we could bring up a decent load
of O2, food and water, plus a person or two. Maybe some modular capsule-
like pieces. Theyve got it going, why don't we just put our heads together
on it.....we could even haul up their stuff for a nominal amount of $$$
to save nasa a bit of money, too....the possibilities really stretch..
Jon
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In article <64096@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu>, jkonrath@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jon) writes: >okay, since we're on such great terms with the Soviets, (ie berlin wall, >glasnot, etc ) and theyve got this great station that they keep up guys >forever, and we've got a great way to 'shuttle' up supplies, well.... > The last apollo/soyuz shebang worked pretty well, why don't we just >get together with them on this. I mean we could bring up a decent load >of O2, food and water, plus a person or two. Maybe some modular capsule- >like pieces. Theyve got it going, why don't we just put our heads together >on it.....we could even haul up their stuff for a nominal amount of $$$ >to save nasa a bit of money, too....the possibilities really stretch.. We could haul their stuff? They could haul ours cheaper. We should look at sending up Fred (if Fred gets funding) via the Sov. big booster. Otherwise, I think the only thing we could bring to a joint LEO party is the computing power...hmmm...who has plans to put a UUCP feed on Fred?
c8919865@cc.nu.oz.au (10/15/90)
In article <64096@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu>, jkonrath@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jon) writes: > okay, since we're on such great terms with the Soviets, (ie berlin wall, > glasnot, etc ) and theyve got this great station that they keep up guys > forever, and we've got a great way to 'shuttle' up supplies, well.... I really can't disagree with this. The principle is excellent and the repercussions would be enormous. (These are good ones, not bad ones...) > The last apollo/soyuz shebang worked pretty well, why don't we just > get together with them on this. I mean we could bring up a decent load > of O2, food and water, plus a person or two. Maybe some modular capsule- > like pieces. Theyve got it going, why don't we just put our heads together > on it.....we could even haul up their stuff for a nominal amount of $$$ > to save nasa a bit of money, too....the possibilities really stretch.. Just a question. Who is actually going to develop the docking adapter. Will the old ASTP adapter work or have docking systems been completely changed since those days. This makes you wonder. If the US aren't going to give FINANCIAL aid to the soviets like the rest of the world, perhaps getting Cape York going and combining on the Mir project could be another extrapolation of the idea. I certainly wish Australia had 100 million more people so that we could have a say too.... ,--, ,--, ,--, ,--, ,--, ,--------, | ------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | / / | ,-----' PLAIZIER. (Undergrad) | | | | | | | |/ / | '---, | Newcastle Uni (AUSTRALIA, not UK) | | | | | | | |\ \ | ,---' | | '--, | '--' | | | \ \ | '-----, | c8919865@cc.nu.oz.au '-----' '--------' '--' '--' '--------' | -------------------------------------
henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) (10/15/90)
In article <2228.2719a28f@cc.nu.oz.au> c8919865@cc.nu.oz.au writes: > Just a question. Who is actually going to develop the docking adapter. >Will the old ASTP adapter work or have docking systems been completely changed >since those days. The old ASTP adapter won't work because neither nation has made any use of that "standard" docking system since. -- "...the i860 is a wonderful source | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology of thesis topics." --Preston Briggs | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
mikew@fx.com (Mike Wexler) (10/19/90)
There is one thing our shuttle does pretty well that they really need. The ability to bring down large payloads. Admittedly the Shuttle is overkill, but what about arranging a deal where we launch some of our astronauts up to Mir on the Shuttle. They get to use Mir for a while. We bring down our astronauts and Soviet payloads. This seems to be beneficial to both sides. I can see two problems. The shuttle is quite a bit of overkill. I don't think that need to bring down payloads anywhere near as big as the shuttle can handle. Also the shuttle is so expensive that even in this case it doesn't make financial sense. Well what do you think is it economically feasible? Is it a good idea? -- Mike Wexler (mikew@fx.com)
john@newave.UUCP (John A. Weeks III) (10/19/90)
In article <64096@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> jkonrath@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jon) writes: > okay, since we're on such great terms with the Soviets, (ie berlin wall, > glasnot, etc ) and theyve got this great station that they keep up guys > forever, and we've got a great way to 'shuttle' up supplies, well.... How about removing our really great space station from the Smithsonian and sending it up on anything that can lift it (one of the 3 Saturn V bird stands or an Energia). -john- -- =============================================================================== John A. Weeks III (612) 942-6969 john@newave.mn.org NeWave Communications ...uunet!rosevax!bungia!wd0gol!newave!john ===============================================================================
amanda@visix.com (Amanda Walker) (10/20/90)
In article <488@newave.UUCP> john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes: >How about removing our really great space station from the Smithsonian >and sending it up on anything that can lift it (one of the 3 Saturn V >bird stands or an Energia). It's a concept, but remember that it's pretty old at this point. Last year for memorial day I went on a tour of the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum restoration facility (which I highly recommend to other aircraft/spacecraft geeks out there :-)). One of the point that they made very strongly was that "restored" does not imply "flyable." Checking and repairing things like hydraulics, avionics, life support, etc., might be a large effort, especially considering the advances in technology during the intervening time. An overhaul to put another Skylab and Saturn V into safe flyable shape might take as much time and money as doing a new spacecraft from scratch with modern technology... I must admit, though, that visiting Air & Space is a great way to revive your enthusiasm for the space program, and give you more incentive to do things like actually lobby congresscritters and yell at the media... -- Amanda Walker amanda@visix.com Visix Software Inc. ...!uunet!visix!amanda -- "We are holding Elvis Presley's brain hostage on Planet Zort. Surrender Now." --Bloom County
gregc@cimage.com (Greg Cronau) (10/23/90)
In article <488@newave.UUCP> john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes: >In article <64096@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> jkonrath@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jon) writes: >> okay, since we're on such great terms with the Soviets, (ie berlin wall, >> glasnot, etc ) and theyve got this great station that they keep up guys >> forever, and we've got a great way to 'shuttle' up supplies, well.... > >How about removing our really great space station from the Smithsonian You mean the one with all the holes cut in it? The one that has been grossly modified for access by tourists? >and sending it up on anything that can lift it (one of the 3 Saturn V >bird stands or an Energia). Right. One of the 3 Saturn V stands that have been completely retrofitted for shuttle launches. With one of the Saturn V's that have been laying out in the rain for the last 20 years. Or on Energia that is designed to mount things on it's *side* rather that it's *top*. These, and other fantasy's brought to you by: > >-john- > >-- >=============================================================================== >John A. Weeks III (612) 942-6969 john@newave.mn.org >NeWave Communications ...uunet!rosevax!bungia!wd0gol!newave!john >===============================================================================
roy@phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) (10/24/90)
gregc@dgsi.UUCP (Greg Cronau/10000) writes: > You mean the one with all the holes cut in it? The one that has been > grossly modified for access by tourists? [...] These, and other > fantasy's brought to you by: Don't be so hard on the poor fellow; the idea wasn't that off the wall. Wasn't there a case a few years back of some satellite that had been donated to the Smithsonian being taken off display, dusted off, and put into space? -- Roy Smith, Public Health Research Institute 455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016 roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu -OR- {att,cmcl2,rutgers,hombre}!phri!roy "Arcane? Did you say arcane? It wouldn't be Unix if it wasn't arcane!"
palmer@nntp-server.caltech.edu (David Palmer) (10/24/90)
In article <488@newave.UUCP> john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes: >In article <64096@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> jkonrath@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jon) writes: >> okay, since we're on such great terms with the Soviets, (ie berlin wall, >> glasnot, etc ) and theyve got this great station that they keep up guys >> forever, and we've got a great way to 'shuttle' up supplies, well.... > >How about removing our really great space station from the Smithsonian How about just buying Salyut 7, before it joins Skylab in Western Australia. They have no use for it now, since they have Mir, but it's far better than any American space station I expect to see this century. Maybe we could call it a 'construction shack' for the astronauts to use while they are putting together Fred. -- David Palmer palmer@gap.cco.caltech.edu ...rutgers!cit-vax!gap.cco.caltech.edu!palmer I have the power to cloud men's minds -- or at least my own.
ins_atge@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Thomas G Edwards) (10/25/90)
In article <1990Oct24.051043.1832@nntp-server.caltech.edu> palmer@nntp-server.caltech.edu (David Palmer) writes: >How about just buying Salyut 7, before it joins Skylab in Western Australia. The USSR needs hard currency...maybe some american company can snap it up. I still think we should just build a MIR module before we get back into the serious space station business again. -Tom