[sci.space.shuttle] HL-20 / New Mini-Shuttle

apa1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew Peter Anselmo) (12/15/90)

Anybody have info on the HL-20; the mini-shuttle for Freedom?
I saw an article in Aerospace America, and wonder what it's status is i.e
mockup/wish hardware or what?  I only had a chance to skim the article, but
it seems that they want to put it on top of a Titan IV.
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heskett@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Donald Heskett) (12/15/90)

A brief article on a U.S. mini-shuttle appeared in Aviation Week a few
issues back (or was it only last week?).  I don't remember its numeric
designation.

For those interested in aerospace planes and the like, there has been
a lot of coverage of such in AW over the last few weeks. In
particular, there have been numerous articles about hypersonic
"waverider" (wakerider?) vehicles.

henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) (12/16/90)

In article <1990Dec14.165736.11166@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> apa1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew Peter Anselmo) writes:
>Anybody have info on the HL-20; the mini-shuttle for Freedom?
>I saw an article in Aerospace America, and wonder what it's status is i.e
>mockup/wish hardware or what? ...

The crucial number to look for is how much money has been spent on it.  In
the case of the HL-20, it's a few million dollars.  That makes it a small
design study only.  NASA funds such things constantly, and very few of them
ever turn into real projects.
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shafer@skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) (12/17/90)

In article <1990Dec15.234854.9619@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:

>In article <1990Dec14.165736.11166@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> apa1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew Peter Anselmo) writes:
>>Anybody have info on the HL-20; the mini-shuttle for Freedom?
>>I saw an article in Aerospace America, and wonder what it's status is i.e
>>mockup/wish hardware or what? ...

Well, there's at least a manned simulation for landing.  When I was at
Langley Research Center earlier this year with Bill Dana, we spent a
lot of time in it.  Bill is the last NASA lifting body pilot still
flying (also the last X-15 pilot still flying) and the Langley
researchers wanted his inputs on landing it.

I've heard (not from the researchers at Langley) that Adm. Truly is
very interested in it.  He was scheduled to fly the sim about a month
after we were there.

>The crucial number to look for is how much money has been spent on it.  In
>the case of the HL-20, it's a few million dollars.  That makes it a small
>design study only.  NASA funds such things constantly, and very few of them
>ever turn into real projects.

This is quite true.  NASA projects, like everyone else's, are very
numerous in the proposal stage.  Fewer are funded for follow-up studies
and even fewer ever get to the stage that the HL-20 is at.  And the 
number of "real" projects is even smaller.

So far, I'd say the HL-20's prospects are very good.  Not a certainty
though.

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