[sci.space.shuttle] Apollo 13

clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones) (12/12/90)

In article <90346.083237TACON019@ysub.ysu.edu>, TACON019@ysub (Fred Ullom) writes:
>I just saw a documentary on the apollo 13 disaster (or success depending
>on how you look at it). They used the LEM for habitation on the return
>trip to earth when the command module was crippled and then jettisoned
>it in earth orbit before re-entry.
>
>I was just curious, is the LEM still orbiting the earth or did the orbit
>decay?
>
The LM was jettisoned, but not into earth orbit.  It destructively reentered
the earth's atmosphere (burned up).  There was some concern about where it was
aimed since there was a radioactive package which would have been used to power
the lunar experiments left on the moon.  This package was designed to survive a
launch explosion or a reentry.  I recall reading that the LM jettison was
designed to cause this package to impact somewhere in the deep Pacific, and
just before the jettison it was noticed that the crew (operating with almost no
sleep) had aligned the spacecraft exactly 90 degrees (I think) off what was
desired.  Rather than have them try to do it right, the ground cranked through
some calculations which told them this orientation was still OK, so they went
ahead and dumped it.  After the LM entered the atmosphere, contact was lost
with it, then briefly regained, and then lost forever.  The crew was sorry to
see it go.
--
Chris Jones    clj@ksr.com    {world,uunet,harvard}!ksr!clj

TACON019@ysub.ysu.edu (Fred Ullom) (12/12/90)

I just saw a documentary on the apollo 13 disaster (or success depending
on how you look at it). They used the LEM for habitation on the return
trip to earth when the command module was crippled and then jettisoned
it in earth orbit before re-entry.

I was just curious, is the LEM still orbiting the earth or did the orbit
decay?

Thanks,
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tacon019@ysub.ysu.edu (Fred S. Ullom)
Youngstown State University
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henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) (12/13/90)

In article <90346.083237TACON019@ysub.ysu.edu> TACON019@ysub.ysu.edu (Fred Ullom) writes:
>... They used the LEM for habitation on the return
>trip to earth when the command module was crippled and then jettisoned
>it in earth orbit before re-entry.
>
>I was just curious, is the LEM still orbiting the earth or did the orbit
>decay?

Neither.  They didn't jettison it into orbit, they jettisoned it into an
impact trajectory.  Its remains ended up in the Pacific.
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petej@phred.UUCP (Pete Jarvis) (12/13/90)

In article <90346.083237TACON019@ysub.ysu.edu> TACON019@ysub.ysu.edu (Fred Ullom) writes:
>I just saw a documentary on the apollo 13 disaster (or success depending
>on how you look at it). They used the LEM for habitation on the return
>trip to earth when the command module was crippled and then jettisoned
>it in earth orbit before re-entry.
>I was just curious, is the LEM still orbiting the earth or did the orbit
>decay?

The LEM along with the Service Module were jettisoned just before re-entry.
They did not go into orbit. They burned up. The LEM (Aquarius) gave 1 final
burst of data before burning up as if to say "good-bye". :-)
Peter Jarvis.........

stanfiel@testeng1.misemi (Chris Stanfield) (12/14/90)

In article <90346.083237TACON019@ysub.ysu.edu> TACON019@ysub.ysu.edu (Fred Ullom) writes:
>I was just curious, is the LEM still orbiting the earth or did the orbit
>decay?
It re-entered, as did the CSM, burning up in the process (or at least
burning up a lot - I think that there was enough debris expected that
they aimed them into the Pacific, for safety). I seem to remember a
photograph taken at the time, I think by a high-altitude camera on a
NASA or USAF aircraft, that showed the three re-entry trails all in
the same frame (i.e. the CSM, the LEM and the capsule - the first two
burning up, and the latter having its heat shield ablated). The
picture was not unlike three meteorites in line-astern. Anyone
remember this, or am I out to lunch? Rumour has that I'm out to lunch
anyway. 

Chris Stanfield, Mitel Corporation: E-mail to:- uunet!mitel!testeng1!stanfiel
(613) 592 2122 Ext.4960
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gregc@cimage.com (Greg Cronau) (12/14/90)

In article <90346.083237TACON019@ysub.ysu.edu> TACON019@ysub.ysu.edu (Fred Ullom) writes:
>I just saw a documentary on the apollo 13 disaster (or success depending
>on how you look at it). They used the LEM for habitation on the return
>trip to earth when the command module was crippled and then jettisoned
>it in earth orbit before re-entry.
>
>I was just curious, is the LEM still orbiting the earth or did the orbit
>decay?

The CSM/LEM never went into earth orbit after return from the moon. They were
targeted for a direct reentry from translunar flight. The SM and LEM separated
and went straight into the atmosphere and burned up. The CM skimmed the upper
atmosphere on a tangental trajectory and then pulled up back out of the upper
atmosphere to shed some of the heat from the heat shield. It then fell back
into the atmosphere at a steeper angle due to the lost velocity from the first
encounter. It was able to pull up through a combination of it's trajectory and
a certain amount of aerodynamic lift provided by it's shape. It is sort of an
aerobraking manuever. I *think* all the returning Apollo moon flights used this
method of reentry. I don't believe there was a need to first attain earth orbit
on return from translunar flight.

>Thanks,
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>tacon019@ysub.ysu.edu (Fred S. Ullom)
>Youngstown State University
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gregc@cimage.com

jabishop@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Jonathan A Bishop) (12/16/90)

gregc@cimage.com (Greg Cronau) writes:

>In article <90346.083237TACON019@ysub.ysu.edu> TACON019@ysub.ysu.edu (Fred Ullom) writes:
[Discussing Apollo 13 return]
>The CSM/LEM never went into earth orbit after return from the moon. They were
>targeted for a direct reentry from translunar flight. The SM and LEM separated
>and went straight into the atmosphere and burned up. The CM skimmed the upper
>atmosphere on a tangental trajectory and then pulled up back out of the upper
>atmosphere to shed some of the heat from the heat shield. It then fell back
>into the atmosphere at a steeper angle due to the lost velocity from the first
>encounter. It was able to pull up through a combination of it's trajectory and
>a certain amount of aerodynamic lift provided by it's shape. It is sort of an
>aerobraking manuever. I *think* all the returning Apollo moon flights used this
>method of reentry. I don't believe there was a need to first attain earth orbit
>on return from translunar flight.

     You are correct.  You just plunge right in.  Bit of trivia:  Apollo 10 had
the fastest re-entry; I don't recall what the speed was, but it was the fastest
man has ever gone.
     Another note: Apollo 13 did use the skip or 'lift vector up' re-entry;
they were also very near the edge of the corridor where this was safe; if they
had been approaching the atmosphere at a slightly shallower angle, they would
have had to change to a 'lift vector down' re-entry, which means they would
have entered to 'bite' into the atmosphere rather than skip.  There was some
debate in Mission Control just prior to re-entry over whether the profile
should have been changed; fortunately, the correct decision was made.
     The above information is from memory from reading "13: The Flight that
Failed."
-- 
jabishop@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu

"Ground Control to Major Tom: Your circuit's dead; there's something wrong.
Can you hear me, Major Tom?" -- David Bowie

andy@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Andy Clews) (12/18/90)

From article <1990Dec16.053427.23566@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu>, by jabishop@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Jonathan A Bishop):
>      Another note: Apollo 13 did use the skip or 'lift vector up' re-entry;
> they were also very near the edge of the corridor where this was safe;

The radio blackout during re-entry was the longest too, about a minute and a
half longer than usual, which I'm sure got a few people worried at the time.

Henry Cooper's "Moonwreck" is a fascinating read about the Apollo 13
mission.  I had great admiration for the courage of the crew and the way
everyone involved pulled together to get them safely home.  Must have been
hard to keep morale up when shivering, sick and dehydrated in a cold
spacecraft.  I get miserable if my feet are cold for more than a few
minutes!

Well done again, lads, and R.I.P.  Jack Swigert. 


-- 
Andy Clews, Computing Service, Univ. of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QN, England
JANET: andy@syma.sussex.ac.uk   BITNET: andy%syma.sussex.ac.uk@uk.ac

pstinson@pbs.org (12/20/90)

In article <4059@syma.sussex.ac.uk>, andy@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Andy Clews) writes:
> (DELETED) 
> Well done again, lads, and R.I.P.  Jack Swigert. 
> 
I believe Jack Swigert died from a rare form of bone marrow cancer.  Could this
illness have been a result of his ordeal aboard Apollo 13?  Because things were
not working right, did the crew have a greater risk of exposure to cosmic
radiation?

smithwik@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (R. Michael Smithwick -- FSN) (12/20/90)

In article <1393@ksr.com> clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones) writes:
<>
<The LM was jettisoned, but not into earth orbit.  It destructively reentered
<the earth's atmosphere (burned up). 
[deleted some stuff]
<Chris Jones    clj@ksr.com    {world,uunet,harvard}!ksr!clj

Actually part of it did survive. The crew brought back Jim Lovell's armrest
which is on display at the KSC museum.


mike
                                       >> mike smithwick <<

Any opinions are my own since nobody else would ever want them.

"Colonize Cyberspace!"

andy@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Andy Clews) (12/21/90)

From article <1990Dec19.110638.11073@pbs.org>, by pstinson@pbs.org:

> I believe Jack Swigert died from a rare form of bone marrow cancer.  Could
> this illness have been a result of his ordeal aboard Apollo 13? Because
> things were not working right, did the crew have a greater risk of exposure
> to cosmic radiation?

I often wonder whether Jack became ill as an indirect result of the stress
of being in such a life-threatening situation.  I'm not sure about the
cosmic radiation thing.  Jim Lovell and Fred Haise certainly don't seem to
have been affected, by either stress-related illness or radiation.  They
spent a lot longer in the LEM than planned (obviously), and I don't think
the LEM had such effective shielding against cosmic radiation.  Any experts
care to comment?


-- 
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JANET: andy@syma.sussex.ac.uk   BITNET: andy%syma.sussex.ac.uk@uk.ac

rnm8s@helga4.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rory Neil Mcleod) (03/13/91)

	I got my facts messed up in that last post.  Here's the
real story (from The Illustrated History of NASA: Anniversary 
Edition):

	Apollo 13 was to be the second lunar misson.  The Saturn V
	was launched on 11 April 1970 and the first 55 hours and
	55 minutes proceeded without problems.  The spacecraft was
	320,000 km from the earth and still accelerating towards
	the moon.  Having just finished a telecast to Earth, the 
	crew - John Swigert, Fred Haise, and James Lovell - were
	clearing [sic] up.

	Suddenly there was a loud bang, the spacecraft vibrated
	and within seconds the master alarm sounded.  A liquid
	oxygen tank in the service module had exploded, and had
	destroyed the fuel cells which supplied power to the
	spacecraft.  Also, the oxygen supply was cut off.  The
	service module, including its propulsion motor was dead.
	The command module had a backup battery pack, but that
	would be need for reentry.  In any case it had a life of
	only 10 hours, and Apollo 13 was 87 hours from home.

	The crews salvation reste with the lunar module Aquarius.
	For the next three days they had to rely on its limited
	power supply, its oxygen, and its engines to get them
	back home.  They fired the LM's decent engine to change
	Apollo's trajectory into one that would swing them around
	the Moon and direct them back to Earth.  During the return
	journey, the temperature in the crippled spacecraft continued
	to fall.

	During the final part of the journey, the crew got a look
	at the service module after it had been cut loose.  A 
	whole side had been blased away.

	Afterwords, then President Nixon said "You did not reach
	the Moon, but you reached the hearts of millons of 
	people on Earth."


I stand by my previous statements though.  Manned space missions are 
high profile undertakings.  The US government, not just NASA would be 
held accountable if ever they tried to leave anyone in space, just
for the *possible* retrevial of a spacecraft.


Rory McLeod
Dept of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering (stress the latter)
Univerisity of Virginia

friedman@mbcl.rutgers.edu (03/18/91)

In a recent article

Rory McLeod
Dept of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering (stress the latter)
Univerisity of Virginia
 
worte:

>     Apollo 13 was to be the second lunar misson.  The Saturn V
>     was launched on 11 April 1970 and the first 55 hours and
>     55 minutes proceeded without problems.  The spacecraft was
>     320,000 km from the earth and still accelerating towards   

Apollo 13 was to be the third mission to the moon.  Let us not forget Apollo 11
and Apollo 12

-Rich
friedman@mbcl.rutgers.edu

hoepfner@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner) (03/18/91)

In <3355@phred.UUCP> petej@phred.UUCP (Peter Jarvis) writes:

>. Savetz Esq.) writes:
>>Hello.  I need to know when STS-37 will fly.  
>>Any help and info is appreciated!!
>>

>The schedule I have is April 8th with Atlantis carrying the Gamma Ray
>Observatory.

   Unless there has been some slip in the official schedule since March 14th
Atlantis (STS-37) will fly April 4th.  I work at NASA/Goddard Space Flight
Center and some of the people working on BATSE (Burst Analysis Transient
Spectrometer Experiment) an experiment to analyse Gamma Ray Burst spectrum,
will be flying to Florida to watch the launch.

   The GRO newsletter states that although the launch is officially scheduled
for April 4th, they think that the 5th, 6th, or 7th is much more likely. If
anyone in interested in receiving this newsletter, please e-mail me at
"hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov" and I will see just what I can do.  My office
mates work on GRO.

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M.W.Hey@newcastle.ac.uk (William Hey) (03/20/91)

rnm8s@helga4.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rory Neil Mcleod) writes:


>	I got my facts messed up in that last post.  Here's the
>real story (from The Illustrated History of NASA: Anniversary
>Edition):

>	Apollo 13 was to be the second lunar misson.  The Saturn V
>..............

Oh dear, still messed-up I'm afraid.  If Apollo 11 was the first lunar
landing mission, and Apollo 12 the second, that would make Apollo 13 the
er....let me work this one out..... ;-)

Cheers,

Bill
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|    William Hey          M.W.Hey@newcastle.uk.ac    |
|    Astrophysics : Newcastle University, England.   |
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john@newave.UUCP (John A. Weeks III) (03/22/91)

In article <346.27e39282@mbcl.rutgers.edu> friedman@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:
> > Apollo 13 was to be the second lunar misson.  The Saturn V
> > was launched on 11 April 1970 and the first 55 hours and
> > 55 minutes proceeded without problems.  The spacecraft was
> > 320,000 km from the earth and still accelerating towards   

> Apollo 13 was to be the third mission to the moon.  Let us not forget
> Apollo 11 and Apollo 12

This depends on what you mean by "lunar mission".  Apollo 13 was to be
the third manned lunar landing mission, but the 5th manned lunar mission.
Apollo 8 showed that NASA was willing to "go for it", and the LEM on
Apollo 10 came within 50,000 feet of the moon.

-john-

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erics@sco.COM (eric smith) (03/27/91)

friedman@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:

>In a recent article

>Rory McLeod
>Dept of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering (stress the latter)
>Univerisity of Virginia
> 
>worte:

>>     Apollo 13 was to be the second lunar misson.  The Saturn V
>>     was launched on 11 April 1970 and the first 55 hours and
>>     55 minutes proceeded without problems.  The spacecraft was
>>     320,000 km from the earth and still accelerating towards   

>Apollo 13 was to be the third mission to the moon.  Let us not forget Apollo 11
>and Apollo 12

Yes, and let us also not forget Apollos 8 and 10, which might also be
considered "lunar" missions, although they did not feature a landing.

I may be wrong, but I believe that, at 320,000 km, Apollo 13 had not yet
reached the point where the moon's gravity was stronger than the Earth's,
and thus was still decelerating, not "still accelerating".

The original posting has expired so I apologize if I have this wrong,
but I think it said that the LM's descent engine was fired when Apollo 13
was behind the moon to put it back on course toward the Earth. Actually,
the burn to put it back on course to Earth was made before Apollo 13
reached the moon. The burn on the far side of the moon changed the
landing zone from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific.


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