cottrell@nbs-vms.ARPA (01/04/85)
/* while i'm not keen on the idea of people snooping around, there is an easy solution: hire people who already have clearances and make the government do the work! */
emks@uokvax.UUCP (01/11/85)
/***** uokvax:net.unix-wizar / brl-tgr!ARPA / 2:19 pm Jan 5, 1985 */ /* while i'm not keen on the idea of people snooping around, there is an easy solution: hire people who already have clearances and make the government do the work! */ /* ---------- */ Umm, There are a couple of problems with this: a) (Presuming you're hiring someone for a full-time position, since they're most likely the sensitive ones:) Security clearances DO NOT follow you. I mean that once you quit from one sensitive job, no matter whether it's due to "firing," "moving to a better job," or whatever, your security clearance is immediately cancelled, and you're debriefed (talk about the Federal Laws about secrecy that still apply, etc.). Ergo, you're not hiring someone who already has a "clearance"; you're hiring someone who HAD a clearance. b) And that brings up the point that just because someone was cleared once- upon-a-time does NOT mean that he's clearable now. I would say that the more sensitive a position is, the more chance the person might be tempted to accede to subversion--no matter how loyal he might have been (or appear to be). I wish it was easier, but I don't think it will ever be so... kurt
chenr@tilt.FUN (Ray Chen) (01/14/85)
Groan... If you move from one site to another, provided that the site your moving to is a "secure facility" and is authorized to hold clearances of your level/type, the clearance can follow you around, be it a Confidential or a Top Secret Pick-your-favorite-classification. The actual procedure is a little complicated. You get debriefed at your old site, your clearance gets deactivated, the security officers of both sites get together, magic mumbling occurs, your clearance credentials get transferred, and your clearance gets reactivated at your new site. It's a bit of hassle, but it's nothing major. Also, you don't have to move directly from one job/site to another. There's a time period during which your clearance can be reactivated with a miminal amount of hassle (assuming no unusual circumstances, like a treason conviction or something). If memory serves me, I believe that the time period is one year. After that, your clearance turns into a proverbial midnight pumpkin and you have to get cleared again the hard way. As a final note, remember that clearance doesn't imply access. Information is still handed out on a "need-to-know" basis (don't you just love cloak+dagger games). If you don't need to know, it doesn't matter what your clearance is. You won't (or shouldn't :-) find out. (In case of further responses, is there another newsgroup for this stuff? Discussing this in unix-wizards seems a bit silly.) Ray Chen princeton!tilt!chenr
keith@seismo.UUCP (Keith Bostic) (01/14/85)
> a) (Presuming you're hiring someone for a full-time position, since they're > most likely the sensitive ones:) Security clearances DO NOT follow you. > I mean that once you quit from one sensitive job, no matter whether it's due > to "firing," "moving to a better job," or whatever, your security clearance > is immediately cancelled, and you're debriefed (talk about the Federal Laws > about secrecy that still apply, etc.). Ergo, you're not hiring someone who > already has a "clearance"; you're hiring someone who HAD a clearance. Not necessarily. I believe you have like six months wherein you can transfer the clearance from one organization to another. After that I believe that you're correct; they have to do a complete new clearance on you. Keith Bostic ARPA: keith@seismo UUCP: seismo!keith
Paul Anderson <anderson@nrl-css.ARPA> (01/14/85)
There is another bbd (on our machine, at least) called "info-law", which deals with issues conserning computers and the law. I recommend that this discussion, and the "yacc, public domain?" discussion be moved to the info-law bbd.
Ron Natalie <ron@BRL-TGR> (01/14/85)
> a) (Presuming you're hiring someone for a full-time position, since they're > most likely the sensitive ones:) Security clearances DO NOT follow you. > I mean that once you quit from one sensitive job, no matter whether it's due > to "firing," "moving to a better job," or whatever, your security clearance > is immediately cancelled, and you're debriefed (talk about the Federal Laws > about secrecy that still apply, etc.). Ergo, you're not hiring someone who > already has a "clearance"; you're hiring someone who HAD a clearance. Wrongo. Security clearances don't follow you, but they can be retrieved. You have 6 months to transfer a secret. I went from being employed by the Army, to be a contracter for the Army by a University, to being a contractor for another government agency by an Aerospace company, back to working for the Army without ever filling out new security clearance forms. You just fill out a one page "transfer" application. Of course, higher clearances don't work this way, but once you've had an extensive background investigation, subsequent ones may come easier. -Ron "Super Spook" Natalie
earlw@pesnta.UUCP (Earl Wallace) (01/20/85)
Part of the fun of being cleared access to juicy information is spreading the
word to all your friends! :-)
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Is INFO-LAW forwarded to Usenet in any way, shape, or form? I want to stay on this if it gets transplanted. --bsa -- Brandon Allbery @ decvax!cwruecmp!ncoast!bsa (..ncoast!tdi1!bsa business) 6504 Chestnut Road, Independence, Ohio 44131 +1 216 524 1416 (or what have you)