cim2@pyuxv.UUCP (04/17/87)
The INGRES vendors (RTI) recently did a PC-INGRES demo here, and, contrary to previous postings on the net, it is NOT full INGRES. Specifically: NO ABF NO RBF (really!) NO GBF NO Multi Statement Transactions NO Journaling/Recovery Personally, the last two make it a totally unacceptable product. As I said - this info came directly from the RTI salesman & tech rep. On marketing/pricing, RTI said they were only interested in corperate licences, and were pricing the product to keep 'mom & pop shops' (quote) from buying PC-INGRES, probably over $1500. nuff said. Robert L. Fair Bell Communications Research/Computer Horizons Corp ihnp4!pyuxv!cim2 Usual discalimer applies to all opinions expressed in this article
cuccia@ucbarpa.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (04/19/87)
In article <271@pyuxv.UUCP> cim2@pyuxv.UUCP (Robert L. Fair) writes: >The INGRES vendors (RTI) recently did a PC-INGRES demo here, and, >contrary to previous postings on the net, it is NOT full INGRES. >Specifically: > NO ABF > NO RBF (really!) > NO GBF > NO Multi Statement Transactions > NO Journaling/Recovery >Personally, the last two make it a totally unacceptable product. >As I said - this info came directly from the RTI salesman & tech rep. >On marketing/pricing, RTI said they were only interested in corperate >licences, and were pricing the product to keep 'mom & pop shops' (quote) >from buying PC-INGRES, probably over $1500. nuff said. >Robert L. Fair I was the person who made the initial statements about price and contents of PC-INGRES, information that I received from RTI technical staff. In fact, I was impressed by the performance of ABF on the Compaq '286 clone, certainly better than our VAX 785 during most times of the day. I guess the one true answer for this question should come from somebody from RTI. Hello? RTI? You guys out there? A lonely voice in the electronic wilderness, --Nick
pavlov@hscfvax.UUCP (840033@G.Pavlov) (04/20/87)
In article <271@pyuxv.UUCP>, cim2@pyuxv.UUCP (Robert L. Fair) writes: > The INGRES vendors (RTI) recently did a PC-INGRES demo here, and, > contrary to previous postings on the net, it is NOT full INGRES. > Specifically: > NO ABF > NO RBF (really!) > NO GBF > NO Multi Statement Transactions > NO Journaling/Recovery > Personally, the last two make it a totally unacceptable product. > As I said - this info came directly from the RTI salesman & tech rep. > I have been using pc-ingres for the past 10 days. ABF and RBF were late through beta-test, etc, and are now being shipped separately - but they are definitely part of the package. Multi-statement transactions are definitely supported: I have tested this thoroughly; Ingres recovers very nicely, unrolling table creates, adds, and updates across multiple tables. I don't know about GBF (we didn't buy it for our mini version either, so I didn't ask about it). Journaling is not in the release at present; I do not know if it is to be added, but suspect not. Like you, I am very unhappy about the price. If RTI was, in fact, simply concerned about having to support single-pc-only sites, it could have built something into its rate structure that accomodated mini and mainframe licensees. The one mitigating factor is that run-time-only licenses are much more reasonable ($400 ??). greg pavlov, fstrf, amherst, ny