lmurray@wdl1.UUCP (Lance Murray) (08/25/88)
What do you people in netLand consider the five (5) best articles
on the topic of "Object Oriented Databses"? I am trying to make
up a reading list, but I don't want to prejudice the list by what
I considered important. As the list will be derived from input
by all of you "professionals in the field" the list shall represent
what "industry and academia" considers important in this new field.
The articles should represent both theory and technical milestones
in the field. A final list shall be posted as a summary of your
efforts. If you want to list more than five (5), that will be
acceptable (I may summarize the top ten (10)).
Thanks in advance.
-lance-
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drew@cup.portal.com (08/26/88)
Boy, it's hard to find good ones. Most are junk. There are the dreamers, and the purists, and the... Here's a couple I found close at hand: Jacob Stein, "object-Orietned Programming and Databases", Dr. Dobb's Journal, 3/88. R.G.G. Cattell, OO DBMS Performance Measurement, Workshop on Object-Oriented DB Systems, to appear this fall. Predecessor paper was "Benchmarking Simple Database Operations", W.B.Rubenstein, M.S. Kubicar, R.G. G. Cattell, Proceedings SIGMOD 1987. Pick out your own choice from Proceedings 1986 Intl WkShop on OO DBMS's, ACM or IEEE #734. Happy reading!
wlp@calmasd.GE.COM (Walter L. Peterson, Jr.) (08/28/88)
In article <3560019@wdl1.UUCP>, lmurray@wdl1.UUCP (Lance Murray) writes: > ... I am trying to make > up a reading list, but I don't want to prejudice the list by what > I considered important. As the list will be derived from input > by all of you "professionals in the field" the list shall represent > what "industry and academia" considers important in this new field. > ... Your idea of "important" is probably just as good, if not better, than what we so-called "experts" think. There are, currently, few papers on the subject (as compared to say, relational systems). Many of the papers are more of the form of reports on prototype systems or newly released commercial products. In most of these the concept of "important" is very much driven by the point that the author is trying to get accross, usually why his system is "better". I, personally, would have a better idea of what to suggest if I knew for what purpose you intend to use the reading list. Is it for a class that you are taking or for one you are teaching? Is it simply for your own edification? Is it for background research for a commercial venture? Currently some of the best sources are the proceedings of the past Object-Oriented Programming: Systems, Languages and Applications (OOPSLA) conferences sponsored by the ACM. There are proceedings available from ACM for the '86 and '87 OOPSLA conferences; the third OOPSLA will be held here in San Diego at the end of Sept. There are also proceedings from the European conference, ECOOP, available from Springer-Verlag publishers. There are some very good papers in each of these proceedings. Some good papers have also appeared recently in the ACM Tranactions on Database Systems and Transactions on Office Systems. The Communications of the ACM have also had a few articles in the past year. Some of the "popular" computer magazines ( DDJ, AI, etc ) have also carried some articles in the last year or so. As someone who is involved in the research and development of object- oriented systems, I feel that I must share some of the blame ( if any is due ) for the lack of good papers in the field. Part of the problem is simply defining just what an object-oriented database management systems is supposed to be. Maybe in that respect you ( by that I mean all of you out there ) can help. The readers of this news group should be a good source of information about what professional database users and developers expect of an OODBMS. What do you expect? For what are you looking? Are we meeting your expectations? What are we doing right? What are we doing wrong? I realize that none of this directly addresses the theoretical considerations of OODBMSs, but if we don't know what kind of systems we should produce, we can't develop the theory needed to produce the products. So, perhaps we can get a discussion going here on the net about OODBMSs? -- Walt Peterson GE-Calma San Diego R&D "The opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily reflect those GE, GE-Calma nor anyone else. ...{ucbvax|decvax}!sdcsvax!calmasd!wlp wlp@calmasd.GE.COM
gupta@cullsj.UUCP (Yogesh Gupta) (08/30/88)
In article <37@calmasd.GE.COM>, wlp@calmasd.GE.COM (Walter L. Peterson, Jr.) writes: > [...] There are, currently, few > papers on the subject (as compared to say, relational systems). > [...] > Part of the problem is simply defining just what an object-oriented > database management systems is supposed to be. The fact that the relational model was defined before relational DBMSs were built may have something to do with. I agree that the fact that people can not agree on the definition of an OODBMS demonstrates the need for one (definition). > [...] > So, perhaps we can get a discussion going here on the net > about OODBMSs? > That would be great! Here are some specific questions: What do people think of when they think of an OODBMS? Is it an Object Oriented System with the ability to have persistent objects? Shared Objects? Transactions? Recoverability? Authorization and Security? What is the interface to it? Is an OODBMS a complete environment, or not? ... I believe that the question of the interface is very important because it defines the behaviour of the system. OOPSLA 88 should be interesting... -- Yogesh Gupta | If you think my company will let me Cullinet Software, Inc. | speak for them, you must be joking.
drew@cup.portal.com (09/01/88)
Someone mailed me a request for ordering info on the OODBMS workshop proceedings (sorry, I deleted the message, can't remember your name or address, except that you are in Muenchen...) but the "mail reply" command somehow didn't get the reply address correct. So, hope you see it here. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: drew@cup.portal.com > Received: from portal2.portal.com by portal.com (3.2/Portal 8) > id AA24568; Wed, 31 Aug 88 22:03:43 PDT > Received: by portal2.portal.com (3.2/Portal 5.1 (sub)) > id AA02142; Wed, 31 Aug 88 22:02:06 PDT > To: ds@ahl.co.uk > Subject: Re: Object Oriented DB Articles ? > Lines: 50 > Date: Wed, 31 Aug 88 22:02:02 N > Message-Id: <8808312202.1.133@cup.portal.com> > X-Origin: The Portal System (TM) > X-Possible-Reply-Path: drew@cup.portal.com > X-Possible-Reply-Path: sun!portal!cup.portal.com!drew > > How's the weather in Muenchen? I'm in CA, near San Francisco: it's > sunny and warm days, cool evenings. I've never been to Muenchen. > > OK. Here's what I read from the proceedings: > 1986 International Workshop on Object-Oriented Database Systems, > Klaus Dittrich and Umeshwar Dayal, Editors > Sponsored by ACM SIGMOD and > IEEE CS Technical Committee on Database Engineering > In cooperation with Gesellschaft Fuer Informatik, West Germany > FZI, University of Karlsruhe, West Germany > IIMAS Mexio > *********************** (Maybe you can try one of those German places?) > IEEE Computer Society Order Number 734 > Librfary of COngress Number 86-45866 > IEEE Catalog Number 86TH0161-0 > ISBN 0-8186-0734-3 > ACM Order Number 472861 > Held Septermber 23-26, 1986 > Asilomar Conference Center > Pacific Grove CA > Order from: > IEEE Computer Society > PO Box 80452 > Worldway Postal Center > Los Angeles, CA 90080 > -or- > IEEE Service Center > 44 Hoes Lane > Pscataway, NJ 08854 > -or- > ACM > Order Department > PO Box 64145 > Baltimore, MD 21264 > --- > 1986 Prices: for ACM or IEEE members: $22.50 > for othuers $45.00 prepaid > --------------------------- > You might try the German addresses, first. But the official > ordering locations are the IEEE and ACM addresses above. > > There's another such workshop in Germany, I don't have it in front of > me, but I think it's this Oct. > > So, good luck. > > As a return favor, to satisfy my curiosity, what do you do and > what are you planning to do with object-oriented databases? > > -Drew. >