brunjes@rtech.rtech.com (roy brunjes) (11/28/89)
In article <7189@sybase.sybase.com> coop@phobos.UUCP (John Cooper) writes: ... >I believe Sybase is the only RDBMS that has stored procedures. For those who >aren't familiar with them in general: > Stored procedures are batches of SQL code which can be created and stored in > a database ... Nope. Not quite true. INGRES has offered stored DB procedures for quite some time now (since V 6.1), and in fact, with V 6.3 (recently announced) you can add rules that are automatically invoked when the affected column of a given table is written to (via insert, update, or delete SQL statement). You are not limited to the number of rules you can specify for a table. This is just one of MANY new features in V 6.3 of INGRES -- The Intelligent Database. Roy Brunjes INGRES Corp. Disclaimer: These opinions are entirely my own and not those of INGRES Corporation.
mjr@mimsy.umd.edu (Marcus J. Ranum) (11/28/89)
In article <4167@rtech.rtech.com> brunjes@rtech.UUCP (roy brunjes) writes: >This is just one of MANY new features in V 6.3 of INGRES -- The Intelligent >Database. Is this some new use for the word "Intelligent" ? What's so intelligent about INGRES ? -- He was in his room half awake, half asleep. The walls of the room seemed to alter angles, elongating and shrinking alternately, then twisting around completely so that he was in the opposite side of the room. "A trick of the light and too much caffeine," he thought. -Bauhaus
tim@binky.sybase.com (Tim Wood) (11/29/89)
In article <4167@rtech.rtech.com> brunjes@rtech.UUCP (roy brunjes) writes: >In article <7189@sybase.sybase.com> coop@phobos.UUCP (John Cooper) writes: >... >>I believe Sybase is the only RDBMS that has stored procedures.... > >Nope. Not quite true. INGRES has offered stored DB procedures for quite some >time now (since V 6.1), Granted. >and in fact, with V 6.3 (recently announced) you can >add rules that are automatically invoked when the affected column of a given >table is written to (via insert, update, or delete SQL statement). You are >not limited to the number of rules you can specify for a table. >This is just one of MANY new features in V 6.3 of INGRES -- [ product > slogan deleted ] In general, it is not appropriate to take a selling tone in comp.databases articles. This is a technical forum. If you think Ingres is good, please show it in substance by discussing its features and comparing them with other vendors' implementations of those features. For example, Sybase has had both rules and stored procedures for 2 1/2 years. Rules can be bound to table columns or datatypes. I'm interested in how Ingres rules work versus Sybase rules and triggers. Anyone care to explain? Etc. We can already read advertising in sales brochures and the full-page trade-rag advertisements. > >Roy Brunjes >INGRES Corp. -TW Sybase, Inc. / 6475 Christie Ave. / Emeryville, CA / 94608 415-596-3500 tim@sybase.com {pacbell,pyramid,sun,{uunet,ucbvax}!mtxinu}!sybase!tim This message is solely my personal opinion. It is not a representation of Sybase, Inc. OK.
davek@rtech.rtech.com (Dave Kellogg) (12/01/89)
In article <7239@sybase.sybase.com> tim@binky.UUCP (Tim Wood) writes: >In article <4167@rtech.rtech.com> brunjes@rtech.UUCP (roy brunjes) writes: > >>This is just one of MANY new features in V 6.3 of INGRES -- [ product >> slogan deleted ] > >In general, it is not appropriate to take a selling tone in comp.databases >articles. Issue #1: The above comment is comical in light of the recent blitz of "client/server" postings that you guys have been posting. Last time I read one of your ads "client/server" was featured rather largely. Roy mentions intelligent database once, and you accuse him of taking a "selling tone!" Unbelievable. In fact, I so agree with your overall message of not selling on the net, that I might suggest that you to try it yourself. If people want technical information on the intelligent database you can call Ingres at 1-800-4-INGRES, and ask for the product data sheets which discuss the features and the motivation for them. Dave Kellogg
pavlov@canisius.UUCP (Greg Pavlov) (12/01/89)
In article <4198@rtech.rtech.com>, davek@rtech.rtech.com (Dave Kellogg) writes: > > If people want technical information on the intelligent database you can > call Ingres at 1-800-4-INGRES, and ask for the product data sheets which > discuss the features and the motivation for them. > ... and who do I write to to get plain-vanilla-flavored-old-fashioned-rela- tional-dbms Version 6.0 ??? (not being one of the elite who own a VMS machine.....) greg pavlov, fstrf, amherst, ny
tim@binky.sybase.com (Tim Wood) (12/02/89)
In article <4198@rtech.rtech.com> davek@rtech.UUCP (Dave Kellogg) writes: >In article <7239@sybase.sybase.com> tim@binky.UUCP (Tim Wood) writes: >> >>In general, it is not appropriate to take a selling tone in comp.databases >>articles. > >Issue #1: The above comment is comical in light of the recent blitz of >"client/server" postings that you guys have been posting. Last time I >read one of your ads "client/server" was featured rather largely. Roy >mentions intelligent database once, and you accuse him of taking a >"selling tone!" Unbelievable. Client/server is a specific technical concept. No one owns it, no one can claim they own it. We (and not just Sybasers) are just discussing its technical attributes. The fact that we like it and our product has it doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to discuss it independent of the product, at least. This is quite different from the "intelligent database" slogan, which doesn't express a specific technical concept. How do you measure "intelligence" in a database? >In fact, I so agree with your overall message of not selling on the net, >that I might suggest that you to try it yourself. It's meaningless to try to do something I'm already doing. >If people want technical information on the intelligent database you can >call Ingres at 1-800-4-INGRES, and ask for the product data sheets which >discuss the features and the motivation for them. >Dave Kellogg Dave, seems to me you're not trying.... ;-) -TW Sybase, Inc. / 6475 Christie Ave. / Emeryville, CA / 94608 415-596-3500 tim@sybase.com {pacbell,pyramid,sun,{uunet,ucbvax}!mtxinu}!sybase!tim This message is solely my personal opinion. It is not a representation of Sybase, Inc. OK.