davidg@uns-helios.nevada.edu (DAVID GONZALES) (08/17/90)
We are currently planning on purchasing either Oracle or Ingres to run on a Sun SparcStation. Anyone care to comment on one or both of these products? Thanks, David A. Gonzales UNLV/ERC
bin@primate.wisc.edu (Brain in Neutral) (08/18/90)
From article <1927@unsvax.NEVADA.EDU>, by davidg@uns-helios.nevada.edu (DAVID GONZALES): > We are currently planning on purchasing either Oracle or Ingres to run > on a Sun SparcStation. Anyone care to comment on one or both of these products? You will probably find working with the product (either one) satisfactory, and working with the company a nightmare (either one). Paul DuBois dubois@primate.wisc.edu
pcm@bby.oz (Paul C. McLeish) (08/22/90)
In article <1927@unsvax.NEVADA.EDU> davidg@uns-helios.nevada.edu (DAVID GONZALES) writes:
We are currently planning on purchasing either Oracle or Ingres to run
on a Sun SparcStation. Anyone care to comment on one or both of these products?
One has a simple forms package and one is a simple forms package.
Its has been rumored that the best platform for Oracle is a slide
projector.
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Who Dares Winslance@unigold.UUCP (Lance Ellinghouse) (08/24/90)
In article <1927@unsvax.NEVADA.EDU>, davidg@uns-helios.nevada.edu (DAVID GONZALES) writes: > > > We are currently planning on purchasing either Oracle or Ingres to run > on a Sun SparcStation. Anyone care to comment on one or both of these products? Well, I have used both on SCO Xenix(Oracle) and SCO UNIX(Ingres). Oracle is a good product, but it has some major flaws in my eyes: 1) Very Slow 2) Very few DBA utilities 3) SQL*Forms is not very flexable and has bugs Ingres is a good product also, and I prefer it over Oracle now that I am using it. Some of its features are: 1) Much faster than Oracle 2) Ability to monitor HOW the Query Execution Plan is put together (thus able to tweek the search routines a little more than Oracle) 3) Many DBA utilities and much better thought out 4) Their Forms routines are GREAT! Both under ESQL and as standalone Forms used by their routines. Ingres seems like a product that was much better thought out. Also, they optimize it for each hardware/software platforms (unlike Oracle) so you will get a product that is much faster and easier to setup. Just my $0.02. Lance Ellinghouse UNIGOLD E-mail: hermix!unigold!lance@anes.ucla.edu
anderson@well.sf.ca.us (David E. Anderson) (08/24/90)
In article <PCM.90Aug22123317@bottle.bby.oz> pcm@bby.oz (Paul C. McLeish) writes: >In article <1927@unsvax.NEVADA.EDU> davidg@uns-helios.nevada.edu (DAVID GONZALES) writes: > We are currently planning on purchasing either Oracle or Ingres to run > on a Sun SparcStation. Anyone care to comment on one or both of these products? >One has a simple forms package and one is a simple forms package. Wrong on both counts... ******************************************************************************** David E. Anderson, Redwood City, CA (415) 592-1101 Independent Database Consultant (formerly with Oracle kernel Support Group) UUCP: {uunet,pacbell}!well!anderson Oracorp mail: unix:well!anderson ******************************************************************************** First learn your horn and all the theory. Next develop a style. Then forget all that and just play. Charlie Parker [?]
kbittner@oracle.uucp (Kurt Bittner) (08/27/90)
In article <39@unigold.UUCP> lance@unigold.UUCP (Lance Ellinghouse) writes: >In article <1927@unsvax.NEVADA.EDU>, davidg@uns-helios.nevada.edu (DAVID GONZALES) writes: >> >> >> We are currently planning on purchasing either Oracle or Ingres to run >> on a Sun SparcStation. Anyone care to comment on one or both of these products? > >Well, > I have used both on SCO Xenix(Oracle) and SCO UNIX(Ingres). >Oracle is a good product, but it has some major flaws in my eyes: > 1) Very Slow > 2) Very few DBA utilities > 3) SQL*Forms is not very flexable and has bugs > >Ingres is a good product also, and I prefer it over Oracle now that >I am using it. Some of its features are: > 1) Much faster than Oracle > 2) Ability to monitor HOW the Query Execution Plan is > put together (thus able to tweek the search routines > a little more than Oracle) > 3) Many DBA utilities and much better thought out > 4) Their Forms routines are GREAT! Both under ESQL and > as standalone Forms used by their routines. > I am curious: is your Oracle experience with v5 or v6? My experience with Oracle v6 under Xenix has been very good - much faster than v5. Also the DBA utility, SQL*DBA, provides a HUGE amount of tuning information. Also, there is support for an DB2-compatible EXPLAIN facility (should address your point #2 under Ingres). As for Ingres point #4, SQL*Forms v3 (beta on Xenix and SCO UNIX) should cause you to reconsider Oracle point #3. Sorry for the plug, but your evaluation comments, however valid, are based on a two-year old, obsolete product. My comments are in the interest of comparing apples to apples. Kurt Bittner Staff Tech Specialist Oracle Corp. My opinions are solely my own (who else would want them?).
anderson@well.sf.ca.us (David E. Anderson) (12/05/90)
In article <1990Dec2.080257.21343@odi.com> dlw@odi.com writes: >In article <5550@avocado20.UUCP> palat@motcid.UUCP (Mohan Palat) writes: > > Oracle uses an unusual process architecture (in UNIX). Several > processes have to be started up before one can even access a > database. Ingres does not require any such initialization. > >Is this really a practical drawback to Oracle? That is, can't the >startup of these processes be arranged to be completely transparent >and automatic? Of course the processes can be started automatically. That is standard practice for Unix software and standard for Oracle and Ingres and Sybase and ... ******************************************************************************** David E. Anderson, Redwood City, CA (415) 592-1101 Independent Database Consultant (formerly with Oracle kernel Support Group) anderson@well.sf.ca.us ******************************************************************************** First learn your horn and all the theory. Next develop a style. Then forget all that and just play. Charlie Parker [?]