rohit@dmdev.UUCP (Rohit Mehrotra) (06/19/91)
Hi, How does one get on to the mailing lists for the following databases: Oracle Sybase Informix Please EMAIL me your responses, and I would post a summary if interest warrants. Thanks Rohit -- Rohit Mehrotra Fleet Credit Corporation 8325 NW 53rd St, Miami, Fl 33166. E-MAIL Address rohit%dmdev@uunet.uu.net VOICE 1-(305)-477-0390 Ext 469
root@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) (06/20/91)
In article <206@dmdev.UUCP> rohit@dmdev.UUCP (Rohit Mehrotra) writes: >Hi, > >How does one get on to the mailing lists for the following databases: >... >Informix >Please EMAIL me your responses, and I would post a summary if interest >warrants. I would LOVE to be on a mailing list for Informix. Sorry to post behind a post, but wanted to echo the request as far as an Informix group/maillist was concerned. e-mail responses to: tau-ceti.isc-br.com!dogear.spk.wa.us!root (Bob Kirkpatrick) Thanks! -- Bob Kirkpatrick (root@dogear.spk.wa.us) Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA 99202.
pbh@jake.tmc.edu (Patrick Haggood) (06/25/91)
In article <206@dmdev.UUCP> rohit@dmdev.UUCP (Rohit Mehrotra) writes: >How does one get on to the mailing lists for the following databases: > >Oracle >Sybase >Informix > Also, if there is one for FOCUS, I'd like to know too. -- Patrick B. Haggood Wayne STate University Detroit, MI Physics - Class of 1991 (-2?)
barb@hp835.mitek.com (Barbara Rush) (06/25/91)
>In article <206@dmdev.UUCP> rohit@dmdev.UUCP (Rohit Mehrotra) writes: >>How does one get on to the mailing lists for the following databases: >> >>Oracle >>Sybase >>Informix >> I'm interested in Informix and Sybase information. -- Barbara M. Rush barb@mitek.com OpenConnect Systems Carrollton (Dallas), Texas
ethan@thinc.COM (Ethan.Lish@THINC.COM) (06/25/91)
In article <1991Jun24.214759.10746@mips.mitek.com>, barb@hp835.mitek.com (Barbara Rush) writes: >>In article <206@dmdev.UUCP> rohit@dmdev.UUCP (Rohit Mehrotra) writes: >>>How does one get on to the mailing lists for the following databases: >>>Oracle >>>Sybase >>>Informix Greetings - Is it time yet ? Over the past six months comp.databases has withered away into a series of private mailing lists devoted to database packages. What brave soul will call for the reorg of the group ? comp.databases.oracle comp.databases.sybase comp.databases.informix comp.databases.progress comp.databases.ingress comp.databases.dbvista comp.databases.xbase -- "Americans use 50 million tons or 850 million trees of paper annually!" Ethan.Lish@THINC.COM _____ 1.301.652.0651 _____ {uunet,anagld}!thinc!ethan Tomorrow's Horizons, Inc. 4807 Bethesda Ave, #330, Bethesda, MD 20814-5299
walt@mathcs.emory.edu (Walt Hultgren {rmy}) (06/25/91)
In article <19621153@thinc.COM> ethan@thinc.COM (Ethan.Lish@THINC.COM) writes: > > Is it time yet ? > ... > comp.databases.informix I think it's definitely time with respect to Informix topics. I don't have the specific numbers handy, but I can give some general idea of the traffic on our list. If we get down to a call for discussion, I can be more exact. The Informix mailing list is 5 months old, and the known member count is 475. This count does not include a couple of big aliases and local newsgroups, so I'm sure the actual count is over 500. We run a one-way gateway out of comp.databases into the list for approx. 300 members. A combination automatic/manual process selects only articles that deal with Informix topics. In the months that I've kept stats, there have been 450-500 articles posted to c.d, with 9-11 % gatewayed into the list each month. If c.d.informix were to be created, I would install a two-way gateway between that newsgroup and the list. The 200 current list members with access to News could then drop off of the list and subscribe to c.d.informix. This in itself would be a savings to the Net, not only from valid list traffic but also from the inevitable percentage of bounces generated by each posting to the e-mail list. There would be another benefit not readily apparent from the above numbers. A number of list members have mentioned that they have access to comp.databases, but that they want the gateway instead because they don't have the time or interest to wade through the c.d articles that don't apply to them. If c.d.informix were created, I think these people would also move from the list back to News. So, I think it's time. If we want to run individual votes to create each sub-newsgroup, I would be glad to handle the one for comp.databases.informix. If you would like to discuss this via e-mail, feel free to contact me. Walt. -- Walt Hultgren Internet: walt@rmy.emory.edu (IP 128.140.8.1) Emory University Alternates: walt%rmy.emory.edu@uunet.uu.net 954 Gatewood Road, NE walt%rmy.emory.edu@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil Atlanta, GA 30329 USA BITNET: walt@EMORY Voice: +1 404 727 0648 UUCP: {...,gatech,rutgers,uunet}!emory!rmy!walt
klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) (06/26/91)
pbh@jake.tmc.edu (Patrick Haggood) writes: > >Also, if there is one for FOCUS, I'd like to know too. > On the BITNET network, there is such a list. Send E-mail to 'LISTSERV@ASUACAD.bitnet', and put 'SUBSCRIBE FOCUS-L Patrick Haggood' as the *first* line of the *body* of the message. To remove your ID from this list, send E-mail to the same place, putting 'SIGNOFF FOCUS-L' as the first line. To post an article to this list, send E-mail to 'FOCUS-L@ASUACAD.bitnet'. (Don't expect to receive a copy of your own posting, although you may possibly receive a confirmation that your article was distributed.)
DOUG@ysub.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell) (06/26/91)
First, I second the motion of a comp.databases reorg. I assume
that comp.databases would be = comp.databases.misc. I just finished
running a Usenet newsgroup vote, so I'm not real keen on running
another one right now.
Second, here's a list of bitnet-hosted database mailing lists (there's
even a FOCUS mailing list). Subscription/posting instructions follow.
ADR-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET ADR Database Products Discussion List
CLIPPER@BRUFPB.BITNET List for Clipper and DBMS systems for IBM PC
DBASE-L@NMSUVM1.BITNET Discussion on the use of the dBase language
DB2-L@AUVM.BITNET DB2 Data Base Discussion List
FOCUS-L@ASUACAD.BITNET FOCUS mailing list
IDMS-L@UGA.BITNET Cullinet IDMS Discussion
INGRES-L@HDETUD1.BITNET Discussion on the RDBMS INGRES
L-ORACLE@UQAM.BITNET Usagers Oracle/Oracle's Users
MSSQL-L@DUKEVM.BITNET Microsoft SQL Server Discussion List
M204-L@AKRONVM.BITNET Model 204 Database Discussion List
OHEUG-L@UMDD.BITNET ORACLE Higher Education Users Group
ORACLE-L@SBCCVM.BITNET ORACLE database mailing list.
PARADOX@BRUFPB.BITNET List for Borland Paradox users
SIR-L@UREGINA1.BITNET SIR/DBMS(r) Software Discussion List
SPIRES-L@BITNIC.BITNET SPIRES Conference List
SQL-L@FINHUTC.BITNET SQL discussion list
SQL-L@MITVMA.BITNET SQL Info Exchange
SQLINFO@UICVM.BITNET Forum for SQL/DS and Related Topics
First, you'll see there are three SQL lists and three ORACLE lists.
They're all independent of each other. The SQLINFO list is specific
to the VM (and I assume VSE) SQL/DS environment.
In the following descriptions, the LIST name is listname@node.BITNET.
For example, SQL-L@MITVMA.BITNET. The SERVER name (the automated
server that manages subscriptions and unsubs) will always be
LISTSERV@node.BITNET (for example LISTSERV@MITVMA.BITNET).
Alternate ways to get to .BITNET, if your mailer doesn't understand
it:
Internet username%node.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
gateways: username%node.BITNET@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU
bang-path: ????!uunet!node.BITNET!username
???!bitnet!node!username
^^^^^^ yep, it's in the maps.
To subscribe, send e-mail to the server LISTSERV@node.BITNET:
Subject is ignored. In the body put:
SUB listname Firstname Lastname
SET listname REPRO NOACK
then send it. LISTSERV will get your e-mail address from the mail
header, and will use the Firstname Lastname in postings to you.
The 2nd line sets the list output to match traditional mail-reflector
mailing list configs - you get a copy of your post, but no acknowledge-
ment that it's been processed (the default for LISTSERV is the other
way around - send a short ACK but no copy of the post).
When you're added, LISTSERV will send you an ack of your request,
and a 'welcome to the mailing list' note.
To unsubscribe from a LISTSERV-hosted list:
Send mail to LISTSERV@node.BITNET, in the body put
UNSUB listname
And you'll get a note saying you've been removed.
To post to the list:
Send mail to listname@node.BITNET. Use a descriptive subject.
An example: to subscribe to SQL-L@MITVMA.BITNET, I'd send mail to
LISTSERV@MITVMA.BITNET and put
SUB SQL-L Doug Sewell
SET SQL-L REPRO NOACK
in the body. To later unsub, I'd send
UNSUB SQL-L
To LISTSERV@MITVMA.BITNET.
To post a note, I'd send it to SQL-L@MITVMA.BITNET.
Doug
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Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, doug@ysub.bitnet
Youngstown State University, Youngstown, OH 44555 doug@ysub.ysu.edu
'rap music' is an oxymoron.tim@ohday.sybase.com (Tim Wood) (06/27/91)
In article <19621153@thinc.COM> ethan@thinc.COM (Ethan.Lish@THINC.COM) writes: >In article <1991Jun24.214759.10746@mips.mitek.com>, barb@hp835.mitek.com (Barbara Rush) writes: >>>In article <206@dmdev.UUCP> rohit@dmdev.UUCP (Rohit Mehrotra) writes: >>>>How does one get on to the mailing lists for the following databases: >>>>Oracle, Sybase, Informix > >Greetings - > > Is it time yet ? > > Over the past six months comp.databases has withered away into a series >of private mailing lists devoted to database packages. What brave soul will >call for the reorg of the group ? > > [ list of subgroups by vendor name deleted ] It's getting time, but I would reorg along different lines. Many database discussions are not vendor-specific, so we still need a vanilla comp.databases. It's also useful to see comparative discussions of different vendors' products; these might be lost if discussion was partitioned by vendor. It might be more useful to decompose along more topical lines, eg: comp.databases.theory - For "what is an RDBMS"-type discussions :-) comp.databases.market - For comparative discussions of released or "announced" products, and "tell me what DBMS to buy" postings. comp.databases.appl - For requests for applications (or DBA) help and answers. This group could be decomposed further, as: .vendorX .vendorY ... This might bring the best cost/benefit to decomposing, as most of vendorY's users can probably do without knowing how to change vendorX's screen layouts, etc. -TW PS I guess this dialogue now amounts to a CFD, so followups go to news.groups. Sybase, Inc. / 6475 Christie Ave. / Emeryville, CA / 94608 415-596-3500 WORK:tim@sybase.com {pacbell,pyramid,sun,{uunet,ucbvax}!mtxinu}!sybase!tim PLAY:axolotl!tim@toad.com {sun,uunet}!hoptoad!axolotl!tim Dis claim er dat claim, what's da difference? I'm da one doin da talkin' hea.
tomr@dbase.a-t.com (Tom Rombouts) (06/27/91)
In article <19621153@thinc.COM> ethan@thinc.COM (Ethan.Lish@THINC.COM) writes: > >Over the past six months comp.databases has withered away into a series >of private mailing lists devoted to database packages. What brave soul will >call for the reorg of the group ? > > comp.databases.oracle > comp.databases.sybase > comp.databases.informix > comp.databases.progress > comp.databases.ingress > comp.databases.dbvista > comp.databases.xbase I personally would favor something like this, but still think it would be appropriate to maintain some sort of generic database(s) group for debate of relational theory issues, OODBMS topics, calls for papers, etc. btw, when something like this came up about a year and a half ago, (I think) someone posted the argument that anyone with specific DOS DBMS questions could always post to comp.os.msdos.apps, and thus, it was not necessary to sub-divide comp.databases I don't really agree with this, but the point was made that there do not seem to be other news groups such as comp.spreadsheets.excel, etc. On the other hand, most DBMS vendors are striving to offer cross-platform products, so maybe the "comp" grouping is appropriate. Tom Rombouts Torrance 'Tater tomr@ashtate.A-T.com
GO.MSB@isumvs.iastate.edu (06/27/91)
In article <19621153@thinc.COM>, ethan@thinc.COM (Ethan.Lish@THINC.COM) writes: >In article <1991Jun24.214759.10746@mips.mitek.com>, barb@hp835.mitek.com (Barbara Rush) writes: >>>In article <206@dmdev.UUCP> rohit@dmdev.UUCP (Rohit Mehrotra) writes: > > >>>>How does one get on to the mailing lists for the following databases: > >>>>Oracle >>>>Sybase >>>>Informix > >Greetings - > > Is it time yet ? > > Over the past six months comp.databases has withered away into a series >of private mailing lists devoted to database packages. What brave soul will >call for the reorg of the group ? > > comp.databases.oracle > comp.databases.sybase > comp.databases.informix > comp.databases.progress > comp.databases.ingress > comp.databases.dbvista > comp.databases.xbase > >-- --------------------------- I do not agree. I see the purpose of this Newsnet group to create discussion and illustrate strengths and problems associated with the various DBMS products. If you categorize each product, there will be no cross-fertilization/discussion or exchange of ideas. They will simply become technical support groups, which is perhaps what some people want. (This is probably a typical university versus industry situation). I have learned a lot reading this news group over the last 6-8 months and and feel we all would lose from the fragmentation of the readership. I agree that wading through 50-60 articles some days is a real pain, but the exposure to others problems is, to me, illuminating (I am not alone in this morass) and what these news groups are all about. I use ORACLE. I know its limitations. It is interesting to read of others finding the same things. I am currently evaluating INGRES/ABF, trying to find something better. I haven't--only different. I have Informix on the shelf to evaluate this fall and just finished the first part of a project using FoxPro. From what I read, many are trying to evaluate these products and others and are probably trying to use many of them simultaneously. I think continued discussion of the problems and frustrations of users is a way to educate vendors of the inefficiencies of their products (for those that read the newsnet and are open to suggestions). This general group also provides an indication of which products to avoid. Just my humble opinion. Marvin Beck Iowa State University Ames, Iowa
cy@dbase.a-t.com (Cy Shuster) (06/27/91)
I personally don't think the amount of traffic warrants a split. Of all the groups I read regularly, this one consistently has the least volume, typically under 50 articles a day. And I like to see what's happening with Gio Wiederhold and the rest of the world! --Cy-- cy@dbase.a-t.com
walt@mathcs.emory.edu (Walt Hultgren {rmy}) (06/28/91)
I don't think it's time to completely reorganize comp.databases into
subject-oriented subgroups. It would be hard to develop a subject hierarchy
that satisfied everyone, since many database topics are closely related to
others. The overall traffic in c.d doesn't warrant that yet.
However, I do think there is a need for comp.databases.<product> subgroups.
Having such groups would help segregate purely product-specific discussions
from more general topics.
This would make it easier for users to prioritize their reading. Also, news
administrators might want to extend the expire times on subgroups for
products used on their systems.
Having product subgroups would make it easier to set up two-way gateways
between the subgroups and their companion mailing lists. This would simplify
the news/list topology. Each user could operate in either the news or list
"space" without worrying about missing something in the other.
I propose that we leave comp.databases as is for now, but that we agree to
allow people interested in productX to create comp.databases.productX if
they can muster the votes. Each new subgroup will have its own RFD, CFV
and vote.
If you like to follow all database topics as I do, you can subscribe not
only to c.d, but to all subgroups. There are other users, though, who
because of time or interest would prefer to read only about their products
and truly general topics. This scheme would serve everyone's needs.
Walt.
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Walt Hultgren Internet: walt@rmy.emory.edu (IP 128.140.8.1)
Emory University Alternates: walt%rmy.emory.edu@uunet.uu.net
954 Gatewood Road, NE walt%rmy.emory.edu@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil
Atlanta, GA 30329 USA BITNET: walt@EMORY
Voice: +1 404 727 0648 UUCP: {...,gatech,rutgers,uunet}!emory!rmy!walttleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan) (06/29/91)
In article <1991Jun27.150304.23017@news.iastate.edu> GO.MSB@isumvs.iastate.edu writes: <re: discussions of splitting comp.databases> >I do not agree. I see the purpose of this Newsnet group to create >discussion and illustrate strengths and problems associated with the >various DBMS products. If you categorize each product, there will be >no cross-fertilization/discussion or exchange of ideas. They will simply >become technical support groups, which is perhaps what some people want. >(This is probably a typical university versus industry situation). > Marvin, I agree 100%. I have noticed repeatedly that discussions invariably turn to splitting a newsgroup as the message count approaches 20 per day... Do people believe it is more productive to read 4 newsgroups each having 5 messages ? I don't. And along the lines that you point out, I'm unlikely to follow a comp.oracle newsgroup but would likely read Oracle related messages here (well let's say I would scan them). Add to that the need to cross-post messages if a question is of some interest to many product users and one actually increases network traffic. I'll vote NO on newsgroup fragmentation... tom leylan