ed@msb.com (Ed Maldonado) (06/25/91)
Has anybody any idea what PROGRESS is ? How does it look on the market ? What hardware can it run on ? What Operating Sys. can it run under ? If anyone has thy answer to these and some other questions... please respond :-)
ethan@thinc.COM (Ethan.Lish@THINC.COM) (06/26/91)
In article <1991Jun24.233141.27220@msb.com>, ed@msb.com (Ed Maldonado) writes: > Has anybody any idea what PROGRESS is ? Yes, PROGRESS is a Rapid Development Environment, including a RDBMS, a 4GL, a Data Dictionary, a Gateway to other DBMSs, SQL, Host Language Interface (3GL Gateway) and a Network Interface Module. > How does it look on the market ? DataPro has rated PROGRESS #1 for 3 Years now. > What hardware can it run on ? Over 200 machines. CPU Types include : INTeL 80X86, M680X0, RISC, VAX, 88k, SPARC, AS/400. > What Operating Sys. can it run under ? O/S Types include: *NIX, DOS, VMS, OS/2, CTPS, BTOS, OS/400. Networks include: TCP/IP, NetBios, DECnet, SPX/IPX, OSI Greetings - I reposted you message to the PROGRESS EMail group. To find out more information on PROGRESS call 1.800.Fast.4.GL Cheers, \Ethan\ We take great pleasure in announcing the establishment of a Email User Group devoted exclusively to the discussion of all relevant aspects of the PROGRESS(tm) RDBMS. Discussion may include any topic related to PROGRESS(tm). Coordinator: Ethan A. Lish (Ethan.Lish@THINC.COM) To subscribe send Mail to: To: PROGRESS@THINC.COM Subject: Add User Full Real Name : ___________________________________________ Net Address (From uunet) : _________________________________ Company Name : _____________________________________________ Voice Phone Number : _______________________________________ -- "Americans use 50 million tons or 850 million trees of paper annually!" Ethan.Lish@THINC.COM _____ 1.301.652.0651 _____ {uunet,anagld}!thinc!ethan Tomorrow's Horizons, Inc. 4807 Bethesda Ave, #330, Bethesda, MD 20814-5299 -- "Americans use 50 million tons or 850 million trees of paper annually!" Ethan.Lish@THINC.COM _____ 1.301.652.0651 _____ {uunet,anagld}!thinc!ethan Tomorrow's Horizons, Inc. 4807 Bethesda Ave, #330, Bethesda, MD 20814-5299
fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home) (06/30/91)
ethan@thinc.COM (Ethan.Lish@THINC.COM) writes: > DataPro has rated PROGRESS #1 for 3 Years now. Yes, but what does datapro know about the real world, right? All I can say is that customers we have don't like the damn thing. They bought software under Progress elsewhere and are coming to us for help to get away from it. It is slow. It is strange. Try to do a conversion away from Progress sometime. One guy is now busy keying years of data into another package because there was no way anybody would help him get out from under. We do not have a Progress license and could not. In the end everything depends on how well a system was designed. To me progress seems to be a hog but it could be the way the application was written. What bothers me more is the way Progress claims Datapro as an authority on the subject of DBMS. One can pull out any number of other reviews to find opposing views. Progress claims to have 40,000 sold licensees but of all those, Datapro was only able to find 34 (yes, thirty-four) actual users who would comment and fill out their inquiry. Talk about a stacked deck! 26 of those users use some kind of UNIX to run Progress under. The DOS users don't seem to like it all that much in that support is weak and that the Progress folks don't know too much about LANs and can't reproduce problems for lack of similar hardware setups. All out of Datapro and still ranked number one. It makes one wonder about all the other DBMS packages out there. When one reads some of the comments from this handful of respondents, one is amazed that folks actually think it is wonderful not to lose any data and rate Progress highly for it. I assumed this was supposed to be the way all DBMS's work. On the other hand the various complaints the users had are all being addressed for a fix down the road. Again, that's what everybody says: any day now soon we'll have something that really works the way you want it. Bottom line: find someone who can really compare apples with oranges and who has seen and knows about a variety of DB tools not just one. Fred -- W. Fred Rump office: fred.COMPU.COM 26 Warren St. home: fred@icdi10.COMPU.COM Beverly, NJ. 08010 bang: ...{dsinc uunet}!cdin-1!icdi10!fred 609-386-6846 "Freude... Alle Menschen werden Brueder..." - The Ode