sandi@apollo.COM (Sandra Martin) (01/28/89)
I'd appreciate some help in locating the following:
1. A listing of the high half (decimal positions
128-255) of the ISO 8859/2 character set. The
set usually is called Latin-2.
2. A list of the languages Latin-2 supports.
3. A list of compose sequences (if one exists)
for the Latin-2 characters. By compose sequences,
I mean keystrokes that allow users to create
any Latin-2 character with an ASCII-only keyboard.
I know that such sequences exist for Latin-1, but
I don't know whether anyone has defined them for
Latin-2.
Thanks for your help.
Sandra Martin, Apollo Computer
sandi@apollo.com
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apollo!sandi@eddie.mit.edubas+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bruce Sherwood) (01/30/89)
Sandra Martin writes that there already exist defined keystroke sequences "that allow users to create any Latin-2 character with an ASCII-only keyboard." I'd love to hear the details -- can anyone tell me what these are? Where do such keystroke conventions come from? Latin-2 characters are intended to handle Albanian, Czech, German, Hungarian, Polish, Rumanian, Serbocroatian (the Latin-alphabet form, of course), Slovak, and Slovene. So basically East Europe. I don't have a machine-readable listing of the 96 upper-half characters, so I'm reluctant to do all that typing from the ISO document! Bruce Sherwood bas@andrew.cmu.edu or bas@andrew.bitnet
sandi@apollo.COM (Sandra Martin) (01/30/89)
Bruce Sherwood @ Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA writes: > Sandra Martin writes that there already exist defined keystroke sequences "that > allow users to create any Latin-2 character with an ASCII-only keyboard." I'd > love to hear the details -- can anyone tell me what these are? Where do such > keystroke conventions come from? There's been a misunderstanding here. Actually, I asked *whether* such sequences exist for Latin-2. Here's the quote from my original mail: | 3. A list of compose sequences (if one exists) | for the Latin-2 characters. By compose sequences, | I mean keystrokes that allow users to create | any Latin-2 character with an ASCII-only keyboard. | I know that such sequences exist for Latin-1, but | I don't know whether anyone has defined them for | Latin-2. I can provide the Latin-1 compose sequences if anyone wants them. We use DEC's defacto standard for these sequences. Bruce, thanks for the list of languages Latin-2 supports. Sandra Martin, Apollo Computer sandi@apollo.com {decvax,mit-eddie,umix}!apollo!sandi apollo!sandi@eddie.mit.edu
bas+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bruce Sherwood) (01/30/89)
Oops. I meant to ask about the supposedly already-existing Latin-1 keystroke sequences, not the Latin-2 keystroke sequences (tho I'd be happy to learn of them, too). Bruce Sherwood bas@andrew.cmu.edu or bas@andrew.bitnet
guy@auspex.UUCP (Guy Harris) (01/31/89)
>Sandra Martin writes that there already exist defined keystroke >sequences "that allow users to create any Latin-2 character with >an ASCII-only keyboard." No, she doesn't. What she writes is I know that such sequences exist for Latin-1, but I don't know whether anyone has defined them for Latin-2. The sequences exist for Latin-1, but they may or may not exist for Latin-2. >I'd love to hear the details -- can anyone tell me what these are? The way these "compose sequences" work - at least on the systems with which I'm familar - is that there is some key that introduces the compose sequence. You type that key (e.g., on the Sun Type 4 keyboard it's labelled "compose", on the DEC keyboards it's labelled "Compose Character") and then you type two (or possibly more) keys. Some level of {hard|firm|soft}ware recognizes this sequence and generates an ISO Latin #1, #2, etc. code from them. A couple of examples from the SunOS keyboard driver (at least on the '386i; support for Sun-3 and Sun-4 will come in a later release): <Compose> r o -> "registered trademark character" <Compose> a " -> "a with an umlaut" >Where do such keystroke conventions come from? I don't know. Is there a standard (*de jure* or *de facto*) for them? >Latin-2 characters are intended to handle Albanian, Czech, German, Hungarian, >Polish, Rumanian, Serbocroatian (the Latin-alphabet form, of course), Slovak, >and Slovene. So basically East Europe. For what languages are Latin-3 and Latin-4 intended? >I don't have a machine-readable listing of the 96 upper-half >characters, so I'm reluctant to do all that typing from the ISO document! Besides, many systems don't have a way of displaying text in Latin-2, so there's no guarantee that a machine-readable listing would work on her machine anyway.... She might want to post a paper-mail address so that printed copies can be sent.
dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) (01/31/89)
In article <918@auspex.UUCP> guy@auspex.UUCP (Guy Harris) writes: > For what languages are Latin-3 and Latin-4 intended? > Latin-3: South Eastern Europe Latin-4: Northern Europe As far as I know they are still draft. -- dik t. winter, cwi, amsterdam, nederland INTERNET : dik@cwi.nl BITNET/EARN: dik@mcvax
bas+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bruce Sherwood) (01/31/89)
I'm only too well aware that the Latin-3 character shapes aren't going to show up in a mail message on most computers! But there are listings in the ISO documents of the names of the characters. E.g., "small letter s with cedilla." Here is the full listing of languages given in the ISO documents. Latin-1: Danish, Dutch, English, Faeroese, Finnish, French, German, Icelandic, Irish, Italian, Norwegian, Portuguese, Spanish, Swedish. Note that while Latin-1 is sometimes referred to as handling West European languages, it doesn't handle Catalan (see Latin-3) or Welsh (as I understand it, not handled by any ISO-8859 set), and maybe other non-national but existing languages of West Europe. Latin-2: Albanian, Czech, English, German, Hungarian, Polish, Rumanian, Serbocroatian, Slovak, Slovene. Latin-3: Afrikaans, Catalan, Dutch, English, Esperanto, German, Italian, Maltese, Spanish, Turkish. Note that Dutch, German, Italian, and Spanish are also covered by Latin-1. Latin-4: Danish, Estonian, English, Finnish, German, Greenlandic, Lappish, Latvian, Lithuanian, Swedish, Norwegian. Again, note the many overlaps with Latin-1. 5) Cyrillic. 6) Arabic. 7) Greek. 8) Hebrew. Bruce Sherwood bas@andrew.cmu.edu or bas@andrew.bitnet