fair@ucbarpa.Berkeley.EDU (Erik E. Fair) (05/31/88)
In January of 1984, the USENIX and UniForum conferences (and the /vendor/show) were all held in the same hotel in Washington, D.C. Needless to say, there was extreme culture clash between the marketroids and the UNIX wizards. USENIX and UniForum have not been co-located in the same building any time since, although when asked in survey in the fall of 1985, the USENIX membership favored having USENIX and UniForum happen in the same city at the same time. I presume this is so that, if they so choose, wizards attending USENIX can still go over to the UniForum vendor show, look at/play with the new toys, and poke fun at the marketroids. :-) Erik E. Fair ucbvax!fair fair@ucbarpa.berkeley.edu P.S. I prefer wearing jeans at USENIX too.
fair@ucbarpa.Berkeley.EDU (Erik E. Fair) (06/01/88)
Fred, You forgot to mention that the reception that USENIX usually has for conference attendees is black tie. Erik E. Fair ucbvax!fair fair@ucbarpa.berkeley.edu
fair@ucbarpa.Berkeley.EDU (Erik E. Fair) (06/02/88)
David, When they say "berkeley sandals", I think they mean "Birkenstock's". Erik E. Fair ucbvax!fair fair@ucbarpa.berkeley.edu
cquenel@pyrglass (Chris Quenelle) (06/02/88)
In article <3721@pasteur.Berkeley.Edu> fair@ucbarpa.Berkeley.EDU (Erik E. Fair) writes: >David, > When they say "berkeley sandals", I think they mean >"Birkenstock's". > > Erik E. Fair ucbvax!fair fair@ucbarpa.berkeley.edu I'm wearin' mine ! Thanks for reminding me! People have to be able to recognize your level of expertise, right ? :-) That was not intended as a dig on people who like to dress traditionally. An ex(!)-girlfriend of mine referred to them as "cave-man" shoes, and asked if I would please just never wear them whenever she was around. (Sheesh.) Anyway, they are very comfortable, so don't hold them against anyone wearing them please. Thank you. --chris (This is also a test of my ability to post on a new machine.) (See you all at USENIX !)
dpz@njin.rutgers.edu (David P. Zimmerman) (06/13/88)
fair@ucbarpa.Berkeley.EDU (Erik E. Fair) writes: > David, > When they say "berkeley sandals", I think they mean > "Birkenstock's". > > Erik E. Fair ucbvax!fair fair@ucbarpa.berkeley.edu !@#^$&(#% Are they only sold in CA? None of the local (Elizabeth, NJ && vicinity) shoe places know what a Birkenstock sandal is.... In fact, on the subject of "a few questions", anyone have any good restaurants (or shoe stores :-)) to recommend in the 'Frisco area? ^David -- David P. Zimmerman (but I suppose you know that already....) dpz@njin.rutgers.edu {rutgers,njin}!dpz zimmerman@zodiac.bitnet
jezebel@zippy.berkeley.edu (Ami Peterson) (06/13/88)
In article <Jun.12.22.43.51.1988.13507@njin.rutgers.edu> dpz@njin.rutgers.edu (David P. Zimmerman) writes: >fair@ucbarpa.Berkeley.EDU (Erik E. Fair) writes: > >> David, >> When they say "berkeley sandals", I think they mean >> "Birkenstock's". >> >> Erik E. Fair ucbvax!fair fair@ucbarpa.berkeley.edu > >!@#^$&(#% Are they only sold in CA? None of the local (Elizabeth, NJ >&& vicinity) shoe places know what a Birkenstock sandal is.... > >In fact, on the subject of "a few questions", anyone have any good >-- >David P. Zimmerman (but I suppose you know that already....) >dpz@njin.rutgers.edu {rutgers,njin}!dpz zimmerman@zodiac.bitnet Birkenstock have their own stores around the USA. I even bought a pair in good ol Gresham, Oregon, so I am sure that you can find them where you are. Beware of posers tho... The Jez
lai@CS.UCLA.EDU (06/13/88)
> From: dpz@njin.rutgers.edu (David P. Zimmerman) > Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix,misc.jobs.misc > Subject: Re: a few questions ... > In fact, on the subject of "a few questions", anyone have any good > restaurants (or shoe stores :-)) to recommend in the 'Frisco area? The funnest restaurant in "The City" is the Fog City Diner, 1300 Battery St, 982-2000. Lots of creative food, great place. Make reservations NOW or you will lose. You gotta get the garlic custard to put on the leek bread. Crabcakes, Buffalo Chicken Wings, and the veal chop are all exceptional. For dessert, they have what I think is the best creme brule around. The parfaits are also really good. For those of you with expense accounts, $100 per diems, or founder's stock, one of the best meals in California can be found at Masa's, 648 Bush, 989-7154. I go to Masa's whenever possible, which, at $60 - $100 per person, isnt as frequent as it should be. Everything is great there. I had a outrageously good veal dish last time I was there. The desserts are out of this world: go for the orgiastic dessert sampler ($15 per person). Die happy. For more earthy food, you might try Green's, Building A, Fort Mason, 771-6222 (on your way to the Golden Gate Bridge, on the water. Beautiful views!). Run by a bunch of outerspace Zenheads, the food is vegetarian, healthy and very creative. I havent eaten there in a few years, so hopefully it is still good ... My favorite steak house in SF is Alfred's, 886 Broadway. Great steaks, really good Ceasar's salad, and a good tortellini. For sushi, you can check out Jordan's favorite place: Godzilla Sushi. For a really interesting food experience, try the California Culinary Academy, 625 Polk, 771-3500. The dining area is airy and comfortable, and around the walls are windows looking into the kitchens where students of the Academy are preparing your dinner and learning their trade. Price fixe dinners are about $20 or $25, and pretty good. Be sure to get up and check out the kitchen action between courses. A really nice, new restaurant is Restaurant Rodin, 1779 Lombard, 563-8566. Very nice place, some really good dishes. Reasonable prices. You can head over to Stars, 1050 Redwood St, 861-7827 for some trendy SF Nouvelle. Places to avoid: The Blue Fox, Doro's, Ernie's, the Carnelian Room, Caffe Sport. Of course, if you can get over to Berkeley you can get great california cuisine at Paloma (on University). Paloma has a really varied menu, which changes every day (cook whats fresh that day). They grill lots of (great) meats and fish over different kinds of hardwoods. Try the veal. Also in Berkeley: Santa Fe Bar and Grill (also on University). It is under new management, and has some really good food at surprisingly reasonable prices. Be sure to get the roast duck. Chez Panisse - yeah, the place that started it all. I personally think that the downstairs restaurant is overrated, and had some dissapointing meals when last there. The upstairs cafe still remains fun, though. Good pasta and pizza, salads, calzone. No reservations taken - get there before 6:30 if you want to eat by 8 ... Fourth Street Bar and Grill: good Nouvellle food with a Southern touch. * * * * There are probably thousands of restaurants in San Francisco, and many of them are very good. The best thing about San Francisco is the variety and the originality. If you really enjoy food, go wild! Nick
mark@cbnews.ATT.COM (Mark Horton) (06/15/88)
In article <Jun.12.22.43.51.1988.13507@njin.rutgers.edu> dpz@njin.rutgers.edu (David P. Zimmerman) writes: >!@#^$&(#% Are they only sold in CA? None of the local (Elizabeth, NJ >&& vicinity) shoe places know what a Birkenstock sandal is.... Check your phone book for shoe stores that cater to college crowds. They're all over the place in the bay area. Birkinstock is based in Switzerland, or Germany, I think, the sizes are all European. I wear a 45 ... Only catch is that Birkies are sandals, and those of us in hostle winter climates can only wear them part of the year. (They also hold water, so they lose in the rain, on the beach, etc.) Birkenstock has some "shoes" out that are really more like clogs. A decent Birkie clone for shoes is Shakti, based just outside Washington DC in VA some place. I only know of two stores to buy Shakti's, one is in Berkeley somewhere (I can't remember where) and the other is a health food store (!) in Georgetown, Washington DC. You can order Shakti's mail order from their factory if you're willing to buy shoes by mail. (They come in American sizes.) You can also get Birkinstock inserts for regular shoes. The point of Birkies is that you get LOTS OF arch support, plus a few other features like a toe grip and a natural, level footbed (not negative like Earth Shoes.) If you walk a lot, you can walk around all day in Birkies and your feet don't get tired. It does take 3-4 days to get used to all that arch support, though. I wear Shakti's with ties and jackets, and so far, none of the conservative, upper management AT&T types have said anything. They look like Earth Shoes, but in regular leather, black or brown. >In fact, on the subject of "a few questions", anyone have any good >restaurants (or shoe stores :-)) to recommend in the 'Frisco area? ------- A friendly word of advice. When you go to the *Bay area*, don't use the F word. That's an obscenity in those parts, almost like an ethnic slur. Somebody from Berkeley ought to post a copy of the Berkeley Eats guide. (Isn't there a Yum Yum at Stanford, too?) I don't know if it's still up to date, but it had recommendations near campus, with some places in the city proper. Wish I could be there, folks, but my divorce trial is June 23. I'm fighting for custody of my two little boys, she's doing her best to take them away from me, and me from them. My lawyer says I've got the case won, if we can get it brought to trial. If you see me in the city, you'll know she got a 5th continuance, and I'll need some cheering up. If I'm not there, I'd appreciate a prayer from any Christians out there. (Or maybe send $1 to pay my lawyer to Box 571, 43068-0571 :-) Mark Horton
dt+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Tilbrook) (06/15/88)
> *Excerpts from ext.nn.comp.org.usenix: 13-Jun-88 Re: a few questions David* > *P. Zimmerman@njin. (612)* > !@#^$&(#% Are they only sold in CA? None of the local (Elizabeth, NJ > && vicinity) shoe places know what a Birkenstock sandal is.... This reminds me of an American (what else) at the EUUG conference in Copenhagen, who, after comparing his system to Lego blocks asked, ``Do you have Lego in Denmark?''. Birkenstocks may be found in Germany (where they are manufactured and not actually referred to as Berkeley sandals), most of Europe and Canada, and even in some of the lesser civilized parts of the world (like Pittsburgh not more than a mile from CMU). I am sure that they can be found somewhere near Newark. If not, try mugging a Lufthansa or Virgin Atlantic flight attendant. They are really worth the effort.
dpz@njin.rutgers.edu (David P. Zimmerman) (06/16/88)
dt+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Tilbrook) writes: > Birkenstocks may be found in Germany (where they are manufactured > and not actually referred to as Berkeley sandals), most of Europe > and Canada, and even in some of the lesser civilized parts of the > world (like Pittsburgh not more than a mile from CMU). I am sure > that they can be found somewhere near Newark. If not, try mugging a > Lufthansa or Virgin Atlantic flight attendant. They are really > worth the effort. Thanks for the info - in fact, thanks to EVERYONE for all their info! YoW! I think I'll end up getting my Birkenstocks when I'm at Usenix, since I'll have a day or two to bounce around and browse and generally make a nuisance of myself. If you hear someone squeaking around in new sandals, it'll probably be me.... Actually, mugging the Virgin Atlantic flight attendant sounds more fun, but it's going the wrong way.... I didn't understand the last line though - are the Birkenstocks or are the flight attendants really worth the effort? :-) ^David -- David P. Zimmerman (but I suppose you know that already....) dpz@njin.rutgers.edu {rutgers,njin}!dpz zimmerman@zodiac.bitnet
dpz@njin.rutgers.edu (David P. Zimmerman) (06/16/88)
In article <588@cbnews.ATT.COM> mark@cbnews.ATT.COM (Mark Horton) writes: > You can also get Birkinstock inserts for regular shoes. The point > of Birkies is that you get LOTS OF arch support, plus a few other > features like a toe grip and a natural, level footbed (not negative > like Earth Shoes.) If you walk a lot, you can walk around all day > in Birkies and your feet don't get tired. It does take 3-4 days > to get used to all that arch support, though. The more I hear of these, the more I want them.... I was worried about the arch support (flat feet, doncha know), but I may actually get comfy real quick, it seems! >>restaurants (or shoe stores :-)) to recommend in the 'Frisco area? > ------- > A friendly word of advice. When you go to the *Bay area*, don't > use the F word. That's an obscenity in those parts, almost like > an ethnic slur. Whoops, thanks for the warning. > Wish I could be there, folks, but my divorce trial is June 23. > I'm fighting for custody of my two little boys, she's doing her > best to take them away from me, and me from them. Good luck, Mark.... ^David -- David P. Zimmerman (but I suppose you know that already....) dpz@njin.rutgers.edu {rutgers,njin}!dpz zimmerman@zodiac.bitnet
denny@mcmi.UUCP (Dennis Page) (06/18/88)
In article <588@cbnews.ATT.COM> mark@cbnews.ATT.COM (Mark Horton) writes: >Only catch is that Birkies are sandals, and those of us in hostle >winter climates can only wear them part of the year. I beg to differ... I have and old pair that I wore year round for two plus years. And I live in Nebraska. "Not rain, nor snow, nor gloom of night..." :-) -- Denny Page Martha, the Clones are loose again! "Wide Area LAN" -IBM Salesman
ericb@athertn.Atherton.COM (Eric Black) (06/18/88)
In article <Jun.12.22.43.51.1988.13507@njin.rutgers.edu> dpz@njin.rutgers.edu (David P. Zimmerman) writes: >In fact, on the subject of "a few questions", anyone have any good >restaurants (or shoe stores :-)) to recommend in the 'Frisco area? > > ^David The last time I was in Frisco, there was a new Denny's-style "family" restaurant just off the Interstate (I-70). There are a few small restaurants in town, but I can't honestly say I recommend them. You might go another 30 miles west on I-70 to Vail; there are some good restaurants there. On the other hand, there are literally thousands of good restaurants in the Bay Area, and people often think nothing of driving 50 miles to get to a particular one (this is not so outrageous as you might think -- in many large cities it can take an hour on public transportation to get somewhere in the same city...although 1/2 hour should do it here). I would really hate to name one or three and exclude the others. You didn't say what kind of food you were looking for. Just about anything you might think of can be found. There are very good Chinese, Italian, and "continental" restaurants fairly nearby the conference, also good sushi, Thai, Vietnamese, Filipino, "California cuisine", all sorts of things. It's a lot harder to go wrong here than in a lot of places I've been! I would tend to trust virtually *any* seafood restaurant here far more than even the best restaurant in Frisco. Oh, by the way, Frisco is a small town in Colorado near Dillon, just east of Vail. Be careful to observe the distinction when you are out here in San Francisco for USENIX! -- Eric Black "Garbage in, Gospel out" Atherton Technology, 1333 Bordeaux Dr., Sunnyvale, CA, 94089 UUCP: {sun,decwrl,hpda,pyramid}!athertn!ericb Domainist: ericb@Atherton.COM
weemba@garnet.berkeley.edu (Obnoxious Math Grad Student) (06/18/88)
>i still don't get it, wendy. are you fat or thin?
Now I don't get it, Peter. Are you rude or stupid???
ucbvax!garnet!weemba Matthew P Wiener/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720ron@topaz.rutgers.edu (Ron Natalie) (06/19/88)
Actually Dave, Liz says she knows where you can get your sandels in good ol' New Brunswick. -Ron