pat@grebyn.com (Pat Bahn) (06/30/90)
I'm not interested in starting a long flame war or another B+G session, but I was wondering. I stayed at the Marriott for Anaheim Usenix and I thought their sevice was rude and unacceptable. I even complained enough that they dropped one nights charges off the bill. Now I met several otheres who had similiar bad experiences. Was this a common experience? and if so, is the association taking any action on this? thanks for your time. -- ============================================================================= Pat @ grebyn.com | If the human mind was simple enough to understand, 301-948-8142 | We'd be too simple to understand it. -Emerson Pugh =============================================================================
jtkohl@MIT.EDU (John T Kohl) (07/01/90)
The Marriott management was *EXTREMELY* rude to pool/hottub goers on (Wed? Thurs?) night; Ellie Young was there and quite p.o.'ed at them. I'll write more when I get time; surely others who read this group were with us in the hot tub and can comment as well. -- John Kohl <jtkohl@ATHENA.MIT.EDU> or <jtkohl@MIT.EDU> Digital Equipment Corporation/Project Athena (The above opinions are MINE. Don't put my words in somebody else's mouth!)
muffy@eris.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) (07/01/90)
In article <JTKOHL.90Jun30130136@lycus.MIT.EDU> jtkohl@MIT.EDU (John T Kohl) writes: >The Marriott management was *EXTREMELY* rude to pool/hottub goers on >(Wed? Thurs?) night; Ellie Young was there and quite p.o.'ed at them. > >I'll write more when I get time; surely others who read this group were >with us in the hot tub and can comment as well. I was also in the hot tub (Thursday night) with a couple of friends. I must say that the hotel people were slightly more polite than they were on Wednesday night, when I was talking to a friend in the area around the bar, and other friends were in the bar. The bar closed; we were trying to arrange how to get together later, since no one wanted to go to sleep at only 2 am (*grin*)...hotel security came over and was *very* hostile. Not even, "sorry, we have a policy about people staying here after the bar closes, could you please finish up and leave". It was more like "If you're not a guest of the hotel, get out now. If you are a guest (which we doubt), prove it." I heard that after they finished kicking non-guests out, they also kicked guests up to their rooms, but I missed that because we decided to just head for the room anyway. The most amusing part in the hot tub, I think, was when they suggested that *we* would be embarrassed by any publicity about the incident. The silliest part was when they called the Anaheim police (who never actually came over to the hot tub). I think the real action was with the skinny-dippers by the pool. I understand from friends of mine who attended Westercon at the same hotel last year that they were much more reasonable then. And con people are much weirder than conference people...and they stay up all night, too. Muffy
edguer@charlie.CES.CWRU.Edu (Aydin Edguer) (07/01/90)
>In article <JTKOHL.90Jun30130136@lycus.MIT.EDU> jtkohl@MIT.EDU writes: >>The Marriott management was *EXTREMELY* rude to pool/hottub goers on >>(Wed? Thurs?) night; Ellie Young was there and quite p.o.'ed at them. In article <1990Jun30.201155.16345@agate.berkeley.edu> muffy@eris.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes: >I must say that the hotel people were slightly more polite than they were >on Wednesday night, when I was talking to a friend in the area around the >bar, and other friends were in the bar. I would have to say that all in all there were a number of problems this year with the "facilities management". First was the construction work during the first day of presentations. That was handled thanks to the USENIX staff. Then there was the "bar inventory" which closed the billiards room/bar at (I think it was) eleven-thirty. The manager of the bar was rather amusing [I never heard so many poor excuses before] as were the two goons in suits waiting by the exit to ensure everyone left. I missed the other bar closing. It sounds pretty good :-( :-(. I only heard about the "hottub" problems second hand but I doubt that the management was responding to any guests' complaints. They just seemed to enjoy giving people a hard time. Aydin Edguer Case Western Reserve University
jef@well.sf.ca.us (Jef Poskanzer) (07/01/90)
The Hilton's bar, just across the street, stayed open until 2 like a
bar should. Anyone contacting the Marriot people with feedback might
want to mention this.
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execvp(*argv, argv);bowen@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Devon E Bowen) (07/02/90)
In article <6072@helios.ee.lbl.gov>, jef@well.sf.ca.us (Jef Poskanzer) writes: > The Hilton's bar, just across the street, stayed open until 2 like a > bar should. Anyone contacting the Marriot people with feedback might > want to mention this. The Inn at the Park was a lot more relaxed with their hot tub policy, too. The guy came around at "closing" time and locked all but one gate and told us we could stay as long as we wanted. Devon
guest@cs.utah.edu (Login Guest) (07/03/90)
In article <6072@helios.ee.lbl.gov> Jef Poskanzer <jef@well.sf.ca.us> writes: >The Hilton's bar, just across the street, stayed open until 2 like a >bar should. Anyone contacting the Marriot people with feedback might >want to mention this. Well... the Marriott is owned by a Mormon businessman; I suppose there could be a church influence. Or, perhaps I've just been living in Utah too long and am becomming paranoid! :-) Anyway, if you want to talk about weird liquor laws and bar-closing times, check out Utah! Argh.
maa@ssc-vax.UUCP (Mark A Allyn) (07/06/90)
> >The Marriott management was *EXTREMELY* rude to pool/hottub goers on > >(Wed? Thurs?) night; Ellie Young was there and quite p.o.'ed at them. > > pool. > A few general comments about Marriot. While I did not attend this conference, I have been to Marriots and have had friend who know people who worked in them. The Marriot's are owned by a Bill Marriot. As far as I know, he and his family practicaly own the chain lock stock and barrel. In each room, as I remember, there is not only a Gideon Bible, but also a copy of the Book of Mormon, and a short biography of the Marriot family and history of the company. Mr. Marriot is a devout Latter Day Saint (Mormon or LDS); he professes to go by the book all the way. Tithes at least 10 percent of his and his company's income to his church. Not drinking and smoking. No coffee. Streight as a laser. You know the type. It is a miracle that there is even a bar in the hotel in the first place. If Mr. Marriot is anything like LDS members who I know, bars and drinking are just go against everything they believe. Many of them don't want drinking in their homes at all. If I were Mr. Marriot and a devout Mormon I would probably take the bars out of my hotels alltogether. By being his you could almost say it is an extension of his house and you folks are his guests. Same with the hot-tub and pool. Those folks hold their bodies as sacrid. Nudity and some of the hanky panky is alian to them and they probably take offense to it seriously. A thoughtfull guess is that much of the staff at that Marriot (remember that it's in southern CA which has a large LDS population) is of the same faith. No wonder that they probably behaved as alleged on the net. Don't mistake me. I am not of that faith and I am not saying that it's right or correct. I am saying that that chain is family owned and the family has choses to put tight control on it the way they and their Beliefs see fit and what happend was probably one of the results.
kenny@Thomas.COM (Kenny Paul) (07/06/90)
Jef Poskanzer <jef@well.sf.ca.us> sez: >The Hilton's bar, just across the street, stayed open until 2 like a >bar should. Anyone contacting the Marriot people with feedback might >want to mention this. I agree, the bar situation was a minor to major annoyance, depending on the hotel employee you had to deal with at the time. Last Call in the pool table bar was at 11:30 pm on Thursday night. The half dozen reasons given for this anti-social behavior ranged from, "California State Laws", to, "We have to do inventory". The kicker was, "We didn't know that the conference went on another day". Was this some sort of Freudian slip? :-) ----------------------------------------------- Kenneth E. Paul zardoz!ohio!kenny System Administrator kenny@thomas.com Thomas Bros. Maps (714) 863-1984
dgh@Unify.Com (David Harrington) (07/10/90)
In article <1502@ssc-bee.ssc-vax.UUCP> maa@ssc-vax.UUCP (Mark A Allyn) writes: >> >The Marriott management was *EXTREMELY* rude to pool/hottub goers on >> >(Wed? Thurs?) night; Ellie Young was there and quite p.o.'ed at them. >> >> pool. >> > >A few general comments about Marriot. While I did not attend this >conference, I have been to Marriots and have had friend who know people >who worked in them. > >The Marriot's are owned by a Bill Marriot. As far as I know, he and his >family practicaly own the chain lock stock and barrel. > [...stuff deleted...] True, the Mariott Co. is owned by Bill Marriott, but he just builds hotels, then sells them to investors and signs a management contract with the new owners. I'd say the owners, not Marriott or his family, have the say on pools, bars, etc. in the hotel. It would cartainly be bad business to try to open a major-league hotel without a bar or a pool. I don't think his religion gets in the way of business. -- David Harrington internet: dgh@unify.COM Unify Corporation ...!{csusac,pyramid}!unify!dgh 3870 Rosin Court voice: (916) 920-9092 Sacramento, CA 95834 fax: (916) 921-5340