jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) (07/23/90)
There have been an enormous number of queries about obtaining copies of the proceedings for the recent UKUUG conference in London. Copies are available through the UKUUG secretariat. The copies cost 50 pounds, excluding post and packing. Ordering details are given below. [1] By Post: UKUUG Secretariat, Owles Hall, Owles Lane, Buntingford, Herts., SG9 9PL, UK. [2] By Email: ukuug@ukc.ac.uk Please mark any mail for the attention of Bill Barrett. [This address is an alias for the secretariat AND the UKUUG board. Marking your mail enables it to be filtered from other UKUUG email.] Your email must include a postal address so that Bill can send you an order form. [3] By Telephone: (+44) 763 73039 Telephone orders using a credit card (Visa, Access, Mastercard and Eurocard) are welcomed. This number can also be used to get an order form. [4] By Fax: Completed order forms can be faxed to (+44) 763 73255. Please note that there are a limited number of spare copies available and that these are being sold on a first-come, first-served basis. There are no plans to re-print the proceedings, though this may happen if there is sufficient demand for copies.
richard@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) (07/24/90)
In article <4346@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes: >There have been an enormous number of queries about obtaining copies of >the proceedings for the recent UKUUG conference in London. Copies are >available through the UKUUG secretariat. The copies cost 50 pounds, >excluding post and packing. Ordering details are given below. Like everything else associated with this conference, the price of the proceedings is ridiculous (50 pounds ~= $80). The comparably-sized proceedings of the ACM Lisp conference a couple of weeks earlier cost $26 to non-members. Similar comments apply to the cost of the conference itself, and the cost of the "banquet". Technically, the conference was very good. But where is all the money going? -- Richard -- Richard Tobin, JANET: R.Tobin@uk.ac.ed AI Applications Institute, ARPA: R.Tobin%uk.ac.ed@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk Edinburgh University. UUCP: ...!ukc!ed.ac.uk!R.Tobin
andy@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Andy Clews) (07/24/90)
From article <3060@skye.ed.ac.uk>, by richard@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin): > Like everything else associated with this conference, the price of the > proceedings is ridiculous (50 pounds ~= $80). [...] > Technically, the conference was very good. But where is all the money > going? Presumably to pay for (a) the hire of the Lancaster Gate Hotel for the week, (b) the hire of Tower Bridge for the "banquet" (actually a rather cramped buffet with hardly anywhere to sit), (c) the production costs of the various freebies (EUUG umbrella, Instruction Set T-shirt etc.) and maybe (d) fees for the distinguished speakers (Ritchie, Kernighan et al)? Previous UKUUGs have been held at Universities at much lower cost and have been just as informative (if perhaps less impressive). Why the sudden "upmarket" leap, I wonder. I too agree that 50 quid for a copy of the proceedings is preposterous. It was wonderful to see Ritchie et al, but I question the necessity of the silly freebies and the hire of Tower Bridge, even if it was a bit of fun. -- Andy Clews, Computing Service, Univ. of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QN, England JANET: andy@syma.sussex.ac.uk BITNET: andy%syma.sussex.ac.uk@uk.ac
tjc@castle.ed.ac.uk (A J Cunningham) (07/24/90)
In article <3060@skye.ed.ac.uk> richard@aiai.UUCP (Richard Tobin) writes: >Like everything else associated with this conference, the price of the >proceedings is ridiculous (50 pounds ~= $80). The comparably-sized >proceedings of the ACM Lisp conference a couple of weeks earlier cost >$26 to non-members. Similar comments apply to the cost of the >conference itself, and the cost of the "banquet". Richard, I don't think this is an entirly fair comparison. The ACM is an incredibly wealthy organisation and can probably afford to sponsor both the event and the publication of proceedings. I must agree with you that fifty quid is a bit steep. What they should is allow access to the TeX/nroff sources for the proceedings and allow people to run off the parts that interest them. (If the proceedings are not in machine readable form then I throw my hands in the air and give up) Tony -- Tony Cunningham, Edinburgh University Computing Service. tjc@castle.ed.ac.uk If a man among you has no sin upon his hand Let him throw a stone at me for playing in the band.
axel@coma.UUCP (Axel Mahler) (07/24/90)
In article <3060@skye.ed.ac.uk> richard@aiai.UUCP (Richard Tobin) writes: >In article <4346@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes: ... >>available through the UKUUG secretariat. The copies cost 50 pounds, ... >Technically, the conference was very good. But where is all the money I'm sorry to learn about these outrageous prices. What's the idea behind that ? Could someone at UKUUG at least post a table of contents, so that I can build an opinion about whether this investment would be worthwhile. Thanks, A. Mahler. -- Axel Mahler, Tech.Univ. Berlin UUCP: axel@coma.uucp (unido!coma!axel) BITNET: axel@db0tui62.bitnet
henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) (07/25/90)
In article <5283@castle.ed.ac.uk> tjc@castle.ed.ac.uk (A J Cunningham) writes: >>Like everything else associated with this conference, the price of the >>proceedings is ridiculous (50 pounds ~= $80). The comparably-sized >>proceedings of the ACM Lisp conference a couple of weeks earlier cost >>$26 to non-members... > > Richard, I don't think this is an entirly fair comparison. The >ACM is an incredibly wealthy organisation and can probably afford to >sponsor both the event and the publication of proceedings... ACM is a well-financed organization... but it did not get that way by subsidizing events and proceedings! ACM conferences and the like are normally expected to at least recoup their expenses. Their publications most certainly are not sold at a loss. -- NFS: all the nice semantics of MSDOS, | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology and its performance and security too. | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
brunner@bullhead.uucp (07/26/90)
>Presumably to pay for (a), (b), > (c) the production costs of >the various freebies (EUUG umbrella, Instruction Set T-shirt etc.) >(d) Um, I don't think so. The Instruction Set's promotional materials ought not be paid for by EUUG, and I don't believe that they were. Helen or an EUUG exec can provide the definitive answer. Eric Brunner, Consultant, IBM AWD Palo Alto (415) 855-4486 inet: brunner@monet.berkeley.edu uucp: uunet!ibmsupt!brunner trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.
dieter@york.cs.ucla.edu (Dieter Rothmeier) (07/27/90)
In article <4346@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk>, jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes: |> There have been an enormous number of queries about obtaining copies of |> the proceedings for the recent UKUUG conference in London. Copies are |> available through the UKUUG secretariat. The copies cost 50 pounds, |> [...] Do these proceedings contains any papers on the Plan 9 system from Bell Labs? Could a table of contents be posted here? Where else could I get any or all papers on Plan 9? I don't especially feel like putting out around $80 for conference proceedings. Thanks, Dieter Rothmeier
bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) (07/27/90)
>I don't especially feel like putting out around $80 for >conference proceedings. You seem to be at a University (well, UCLA at any rate :-). Someone on the faculty will know who is in charge of the library committee from CS (or thereabouts.) Ask him or her to please suggest obtaining a few copies of these conference proceedings for the library. Tell them how about a hundred students need to read these so they'll need at least five (it's probably true!) You'd be surprised, most faculty library committees are hungry for suggestions, it's often done at the last minute etc., like most committee work, they'll welcome a heartfelt suggestion (or throw you out of their office, but they do that anyhow.) -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | {xylogics,uunet}!world!bzs | bzs@world.std.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD
berry@lll-crg.llnl.gov (Berry Kercheval) (07/31/90)
In article <3133@syma.sussex.ac.uk> andy@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Andy Clews) writes: >From article <3060@skye.ed.ac.uk>, by richard@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin): >> Like everything else associated with this conference, the price of the >> proceedings is ridiculous (50 pounds ~= $80). [...] >> Technically, the conference was very good. But where is all the money >> going? > >Presumably to pay for (a) the hire of the Lancaster Gate Hotel for the >week, (b) the hire of Tower Bridge for the "banquet" (actually a rather >cramped buffet with hardly anywhere to sit), (c) the production costs of >the various freebies (EUUG umbrella, Instruction Set T-shirt etc.) and >maybe (d) fees for the distinguished speakers (Ritchie, Kernighan et al)? At the conference, Sunil Das (the conference chair) told me that the Royal Lancaster was charging 50 pounds per delegate per day! This is on top of over 100 pounds per night to actually stay there! Admittedly, the lunches were the best I've seen at a large conference, but it does seem a bit steep. I had the good fortune to be one of the Distinguished (blush) Tutorial presenters, and even with the (quite generous) fee the UKUUG kindly offered I couldn't afford to stay at the hotel. My wife and I were lucky enough to find that an instructor at the college I teach at part-time has a flat in Battersea that we could let for the week. Now we're back home in California, and while it's good to be home, I find myself wishing I could nip around to the Swan for a pint with my new friends.... --berry -- bERRY Kercheval :: berry@lll-crg.llnl.gov "When I had no wings to fly, you flew to me..."