elee4fg@jetson.uh.edu (12/02/90)
I am confused. Since I am new to Unix world, I am confused to the different between Usenix and Uniforum. Could somebody explain to me what are them. Seng C. Gan ias
limonce@pilot.njin.net (Tom Limoncelli) (12/05/90)
In article <7856.27582da2@jetson.uh.edu> elee4fg@jetson.uh.edu writes: > I am confused. Since I am new to Unix world, I am confused to the > different between Usenix and Uniforum. I've been waiting to post something (sarcastic) like this for a while: Who attends: UniForum: 3 days, 10,000 sales people. All of them want you to buy their product. Usenix: 6 days, 4,000 (?) technical people. All of them want you to come and work for you. Common phrase heard: UniForum: "It's the best on the market!" Usenix: "Now that we're drunk, wanna break into to foof and rool around with their satelite dish?" Proper dress: UniForum: Business suit and jacket. Usenix: Clothes? But officer it's soooo hot out here on the foof! War story you're likely hear: UniForum: "My First X-Windows Experience" Usenix: "When 10 bytes was a lot of RAM" How to find fun: Usenix: Look for signs that offer to "save your face". UniForum: Look for the signs that say, "free bus back to Usenix" (Of course I'm ONLY kidding! I enjoy both. They're just VERY different and you get VERY different things out of both.) -Tom -- tlimonce@drew.edu Tom Limoncelli "Flash! Flash! I love you! tlimonce@drew.bitnet +1 201 408 5389 ...but we only have fourteen tlimonce@drew.uucp limonce@pilot.njin.net hours to save the earth!"
bill@camco.Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) (12/06/90)
In <7856.27582da2@jetson.uh.edu> elee4fg@jetson.uh.edu writes: >I am confused. Since I am new to Unix world, I am confused to the >different between Usenix and Uniforum. >Could somebody explain to me what are them. >Seng C. Gan >ias Usenix members have beards, sandles, and program. Uniforum members wear suits. On a slightly more serious note. Usenix tends to be much more technically oriented with a Berkley bias while Uniforum is concerned with real-world things like end-users, marketing, standards, and applications. I find the two groups complementary and have belonged to both. These are my opinions and in no way anyone's official policy. (flames > /dev/null). Bill. -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software UUCP: ...!thebes!camco!bill 6641 East Mercer Way uunet!camco!bill Mercer Island, WA 98040; (206) 947-5591
hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) (12/06/90)
* Usenix members have beards, sandles, and program. * * Uniforum members wear suits. * or (with many :-)s...) usenix is composed of folks who like to patch running kernels with adb. uniforum is composed of folks who know just enough to log in, except that they forgot their password. -Mike
thoth@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Gilligan) (12/10/90)
Ah, but there are more trinkets/m^2 at Uniforum than at usenix (and
even more at the usenix IBM hospitality suite :).
How come everyone "gives" away T-shirts ("gives" because you often
have to listen to a speech about a product that GNU has had a better
version of for years) but no shorts, jeans, overcoats or sneakers. I
have a million free T-shirts, but never have I been given a pair of
sneakers. (insert indignant snort)
----
down with booth-babes
--
"Until it's on my desk, it's vaporware" (`it' is the NeXT)
"Those who would trade freedom for security soon will have neither" B. Franklin
"SHIT! I'm outta acid" (intense XTank game)taylor@limbo.Intuitive.Com (Dave Taylor) (12/10/90)
> How come everyone "gives" away T-shirts ... but never have I been given > a pair of sneakers. (insert indignant snort) Well, I've at least gotten some nifty Sun Microsystem sneaker laces! > down with booth-babes It's a funny thing, that... I talked with one of the models hired by Toshiba at COMDEX about the situation and she reported the sad fact that when a "model" is in the booth, the number of visitors visibly increases. At TriGem, for example, the company with the SPARC laptop (*) their head of PR told me that when the woman who posed on their literature (their accountant, btw) (really!) was in the booth, the line of men who wanted to have her sign their pamphlets snaked completely around the booth. Only once have I ever seen a male model at a show, and that was the GamePro magazine (a publication of IDG) "GamePro" character at the last Consumer Electronics Show; he was a well built man in garish yellow tights. He seemed uncomfortable and no-one seemed to care much... I don't like the idea of having attractive people hired to work a booth just to draw customers in, but it's a sad fact that it not only works, it works pretty damn well too. Check it out for yourself at the next trade show you attend...and ask the attractive people if they actually work for the companies or not... Finally, I'll simply add my voice to the comments about Usenix and UniForum being complimentary organizations; I look to Usenix, both the conferences and publications, to push the edges of the technical information envelope in Unix and Unix related topics. UniForum is the "two years later" place, where I can see products, read about customer/user experience, and get the other half of the R&D coin. If you're interested in how things are used as well as how they work, I would strongly advise you join both organizations. I've been an active member of both for quite a few years now. -- Dave Taylor Intuitive Systems Contributing Editor, "CommUNIXations" Mountain View, California (a publication of the UniForum Assoc.) taylor@limbo.intuitive.com or {uunet!}{decwrl,apple}!limbo!taylor (*) Please see 'SunTech Journal', 'SunExpert' or 'The Sun Observer' for more information! RDI Computer Corp, the makers of the machine that TriGem will be distributing, can be reached at (619) 944-6381; they're located in San Diego. Don't send me mail on this subject! :-)
avolio@decuac.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio) (12/10/90)
Do not assume that all attractive people in booths are hired actors. I know someone who was quized by at least one customer who came by the booth -- something like, let's see you write a C program (I told her she should've then made him write one! :-)) -- because she happens to be attractive and well-dressed in addition to being very technically astute. Fred (who has never been accused of being a "booth-babe" :-))
henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) (12/11/90)
In article <1990Dec10.104256@decuac.DEC.COM> avolio@decuac.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio) writes: >Do not assume that all attractive people in booths are hired >actors... Amen. The most attractive woman I know, sometimes found on booth duty when circumstances dictate, is a programmer. -- "The average pointer, statistically, |Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology points somewhere in X." -Hugh Redelmeier| henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) (12/11/90)
In article <THOTH.90Dec9144758@reef.cis.ufl.edu> thoth@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Gilligan) writes: > Ah, but there are more trinkets/m^2 at Uniforum than at usenix (and >even more at the usenix IBM hospitality suite :). Not necessarily. At the IBM hospitality suite in Washington, I picked up an ice scraper (REAL handy for Texans and Californians), elastic key chain, paper clip holder, pocket scissors, and I'm sure there's one or two I've missed. At Uniforum, let's see... Condoms at the Elan booth; Crystal balls from Intel; Pocket screwdrivers, coasters and strange pens everywhere; Buttons with slogans like "Honey I shrunk the Cray"; Chocolate bars at Amdahl; A UNIX wizard poster from Unitech; Tons of plastic bookmarks from Unix World; Albino (pure white) floppy disks from Compaq; Your picture on the cover of a "newspaper" at Unisys; Cheap (but cute) fedora hats at Unisys. Long-necked, gold-trimmed coffee mugs at SCO; The OSF was giving away cameras to people spotted wearing their buttons; etc... Parties? IMHO, the annual Uniforum bash thrown by SCO must certainly rival the Usenix gala. In Washington SCO rented a whole museum for its bash. The one thrown for Uniforum members is alsmost as good. Of course, nobody at Uniforum had the selection of foreign beers available at Usenix... > How come everyone "gives" away T-shirts ("gives" because you often >have to listen to a speech about a product that GNU has had a better >version of for years) but no shorts, jeans, overcoats or sneakers. I >have a million free T-shirts, but never have I been given a pair of >sneakers. (insert indignant snort) T-shirts at shows are usually only offered in two sizes -- too large or too small. For shoes, shorts, they'd have to stock more different sizes that wouldn't fit you. Besides, t-shirts offer the giver more space to plaster their message than shoes would. Overcoats? You might need to go to Comdex for those... -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software, located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!attcan!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504 Keep an open mind -- you'll never know what might fall in.
henry@garp.mit.edu (Henry Mensch) (12/11/90)
avolio@decuac.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio) writes: |> Do not assume that all attractive people in booths are hired |> actors. never have ... some of the most attractive men at USENIX are to be found in those booths! -- # Henry Mensch / <henry@garp.mit.edu> / E40-379 MIT, Cambridge, MA # <hmensch@uk.ac.nsfnet-relay> / <henry@tts.lth.se> / <mensch@munnari.oz.au> # via X.400: S=mensch; OU=informatik; P=tu-muenchen; A=dbp; C=de
thoth@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Gilligan) (12/12/90)
>> Ah, but there are more trinkets/m^2 at Uniforum than at usenix (and >>even more at the usenix IBM hospitality suite :). > >Not necessarily. Oh yes, Uniform has more, but IBM had less acreage to pack it in. The hospitality suite was definitely the place to hang out. I don't know of too many booths at Uniforum where you could play xtrek against other humans. I'd like to see the vendors get their act together enough to network some workstations and play xtank. Throw your MIPS/$ into the arena with the rest. To avert reply postings of "yes, it was done at blah,blah,blah", I'll say, *I* want to see it done, with a good machine thrashing game, too. It separates the Sun3s from the HPs. (our HP apollo 400s have a faster vendor X with more bugs and fewer features than the MIT sun X). An ice scraper comes in real handy here at ufl :) Frisbees are more in line, but I already have three. ( by the way, you forgot /dev/mug, the coolest trinket of all:) -- "Until it's on my desk, it's vaporware" (`it' is the NeXT) "Those who would trade freedom for security soon will have neither" B. Franklin "SHIT! I'm outta acid" (intense XTank game)
jordan@Morgan.COM (Jordan Hayes) (12/12/90)
Bill Campbell <bill@camco.Celestial.COM> writes:
Usenix members have beards, sandles, and program.
Uniforum members wear suits.
Oh no.
Not *this* again.
/jordanscs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) (12/12/90)
thoth@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Gilligan) writes: > An ice scraper comes in real handy here at ufl :) Frisbees are more >in line, but I already have three. ( by the way, you forgot /dev/mug, >the coolest trinket of all:) I tell ya, little buddy, those ice scrapers didn't make it thru the first blizzard. My credit cards held up better. -- "SO be it! The fate of the UNIVERSE is in your hands!" "Talk about job-related stress."
fair@Apple.COM (Erik E. Fair) (12/14/90)
In the referenced article, evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes: > >At the IBM hospitality suite in Washington, I picked up an ice scraper >(REAL handy for Texans and Californians), ... > Actually, they are useful to those of us Californians who either live in the Sierra Nevada mountains, or who visit there frequently during the winter. Our current drought notwithstanding, we get lots of snow and ice up there. an avid alpine skier, awaiting more snow, Erik E. Fair apple!fair fair@apple.com
shore@mtxinu.COM (Melinda Shore) (12/14/90)
In article <2331@s6.Morgan.COM> jordan@Morgan.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes: >Oh no. >Not *this* again. You really didn't think that there was any way to avoid it, did you? For once, I'd like to see this conversation take place in comp.org.uniforum. -- Hardware brevis, software longa Melinda Shore shore@mtxinu.com mt Xinu ..!uunet!mtxinu.com!shore
ehrlich@cs.psu.edu (Dan Ehrlich) (12/14/90)
In article <47349@apple.Apple.COM> fair@Apple.COM (Erik E. Fair) writes: Erik> In the referenced article, evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes: > >At the IBM hospitality suite in Washington, I picked up an ice scraper >(REAL handy for Texans and Californians), ... > Does anyone know if IBM is going to have a suite in Dallas? Just want to know if I need to pack an extra suitcase for the "Trinkets from Hell". :-) -- Dan Ehrlich - Sr. Systems Programmer - Penn State Computer Science <ehrlich@cs.psu.edu>/Voice: +1 814 863 1142/FAX: +1 814 865 3176
brad@looking.on.ca (Brad Templeton) (12/14/90)
One thing I found annoying about the Grand Kempinski is that they forbid entertaining of any sort in the rooms and suites. You want to do a hospitality "suite", you must do it in their ballrooms or special reception rooms (smallest -- capacity 125), fully catered by the hotel at $4/beer, etc. I'm not IBM, and I probably don't have the budget for a fully catered room of that size. I was hoping to do something. The Marriott (I thought USENIX swore never to return to Marriotts?) alternate hotel is "2 blocks" away in the brochure, so I called their Bell Captain and asked how far to the Grand K. He said 15 minutes, then 10 minutes, and then when I suggested holding a reception in their hotel he said 1 minute! Perhaps there are some restaurants etc immediately adjacent to the Grand K? I have zero knowledge of the area. If anybody who does know it and would be willing to help me could send me e-mail, that would be appreciated. If the hotel would let me, I would be glad to fill the bathtub with drinks like they do at SF Cons and invite USENET people up to chat, get their extra-special surprise premium, see the demo if they like (of course) and hang out. But it seems that SF Cons are the only people who ever can convince hotels to allow this. The USENIX crowd is more my crowd than the Uniforum crowd, even if they don't hold as many purse strings. Anybody else got Usenix hospitality plans? -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473
nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) (12/16/90)
In article <1990Dec14.084852.2406@looking.on.ca> brad@looking.on.ca (Brad Templeton) writes: >The Marriott (I thought USENIX swore never to return to Marriotts?) alternate >hotel is "2 blocks" away in the brochure, so I called their Bell Captain >and asked how far to the Grand K. He said 15 minutes, then 10 minutes, and >then when I suggested holding a reception in their hotel he said 1 minute! I can understand the confusion. They are quite close, however you have to risk life and limb. Dallas is not made for walking. It's probably 1 minute if you get hit by a car and carried the rest of the way. >Perhaps there are some restaurants etc immediately adjacent to the Grand >K? I have zero knowledge of the area. If anybody who does know it and would >be willing to help me could send me e-mail, that would be appreciated. There's a mall across the street, but I didn't dare cross it. -kee -- Alphalpha Software, Inc. | motif-request@alphalpha.com nazgul@alphalpha.com |----------------------------------- 617/646-7703 (voice/fax) | Proline BBS: 617/641-3722 I'm not sure which upsets me more; that people are so unwilling to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate everyone else's.
bjs@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith) (12/17/90)
In article <1990Dec15.175511.5776@alphalpha.com> nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) writes: >In article <1990Dec14.084852.2406@looking.on.ca> brad@looking.on.ca (Brad Templeton) writes: > >>Perhaps there are some restaurants etc immediately adjacent to the Grand >>K? I have zero knowledge of the area. If anybody who does know it and would >>be willing to help me could send me e-mail, that would be appreciated. >There's a mall across the street, but I didn't dare cross it. I am going to Dallas for X-mas and plan to make a list of hotels, sites and other neato things in Dallas. I will post my research when I return to school during the week of the 5th. Bjs -- Brian J. Smith "I have yet to understand why proof CIS Sys Admin Staff by handwaving works for Phd's, but bjs@cis.ufl.edu is not correct on their exams."
BSD@psuvm.psu.edu (Scott Dickson) (12/18/90)
There is a new Motel 6 right close to the Kempenski, same side of the street, even. Their rate is $38.95/night. --SCott bsd@psuvm.psu.edu
brad@looking.on.ca (Brad Templeton) (12/19/90)
It turns out I was told the "no entertaining in rooms" rule by the convention services people, who would much rather you book a ballroom. The reservations people said it was fine, but all the suites are booked up. So I will hold a hospitality suite Wednesday at the Marriott. I hope the walk is not too far so that people end up doing it. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473