jbd@duke.cs.duke.edu (Joanne Bechta Dugan) (09/03/87)
The following is a list of the top 60 undergraduate institutions
on a combination of three measures: the nnumber of graduates who went on
to receive PhD's in science or mathematics from 1971 to 1980; the number
of students who received national Science Foundation fellowships from
1973 to 1984; and the percentage of freshmen with math SAT scores above 600.
Albion College (MI) Kenyon College (OH)
Allegheny College (PA) Knox College (IL)
Amherst College (MA) Lafayette College (PA)
Antioch University (OH) Luther College (IA)
Augustana College (IL) Macalaster College (MN)
Barnard College (NY) Manhattan College (NY)
Bates College (ME) Middlebury College (VT)
Beloit College (WI) Mount Holyoke College (MA)
Bowdoin College (ME) Muhlenberg College (PA)
Bryn Mawr College (PA) Oberlin College (OH)
Bucknell University (PA) Occidental College (CA)
Carleton College (MN) Ohio Wesleyan University (OH)
Clark University (MA) Pamona College (CA)
Colby College (ME) Reed College (OR)
Colgate University (NY) Rhodes College (TN)
Colorado College (CO) Smith College(MA)
Davidson College (NC) St. Lawrence University (NY)
Denison University (OH) St. Olaf College (MN)
DePauw University (IN) Swarthmore College (PA)
Earlham College (IN) Trinity College (CT)
Franklin and MArshall College (PA) Trinity University (TX)
Furman University (SC) Union College (NY)
Goshen College (IN) Vassar College (NY)
Grinnell College (IA) Wabash College (IN)
Hamilton College (NY) Wellesley College (MA)
Harvey Mudd College (CA) Wesleyan University (CT)
Haverford College (PA) Wheaton College (IL)
College of the Holy Cross (MA) Whitman College (MA)
Hope College (MI) Williams College (MA)
Kalamazoo College (MI) College of Wooster (OH)
(I take no responsibility for typing errors!)
Joanne
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In article <10158@duke.cs.duke.edu> jbd@duke.cs.duke.edu (Joanne Bechta Dugan) writes:
[List of the top 60 undergraduate institutions deleted]
This list was kinda surprising. Joanne, what's the source of this data?
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in article <10158@duke.cs.duke.edu>, jbd@duke.cs.duke.edu (Joanne Bechta Dugan) says: > The following is a list of the top 60 undergraduate institutions > on a combination of three measures: the nnumber of graduates who went on > to receive PhD's in science or mathematics from 1971 to 1980; the number ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ > of students who received national Science Foundation fellowships from > 1973 to 1984; and the percentage of freshmen with math SAT scores above 600. [list deleted] Note that this is a SCIENCE list (i.e. Chemistry, Physics, etc.), not an ENGINEERING list (i.e. Electrical & Computer Engineering, and Computer Science in many universities). Which is why MIT didn't appear anywhere on the list, despite having one of the most highly acclaimed CS programs on this planet. I really doubt there's many "pure" scientists on this net, probably it's more inclined towards the engineering (i.e. "building") arts, such as creating software and creating computer hardware... so that list is useless to most of us. Is there, anywhere, a valid list of the top CS institutions, based upon valid criteria such as necessary lab equipment, size of CS department, publications of faculty members (about the only way to assure that the faculty is state-of-the-art), curriculum, etc.? About the only ratings I've seen have been highly subjective and based upon the answers of questionaires mailed to the appropriate departments... sort of like asking a student to grade his own tests! -- Eric Green elg@usl.CSNET "... is there anybody in there? {cbosgd,ihnp4}!killer!elg can anybody hear me? Snail Mail P.O. Box 92191 is there anyone home?" Lafayette, LA 70509
decot@hpisod2.HP.COM (Dave Decot) (09/07/87)
This list does not seem to include any institutions that provide both undergraduate and graduate programs; instead, it seems to exclude those institutions that have graduate degree programs. Dave Decot hpda!decot
andy@rocky.UUCP (09/07/87)
In article <10158@duke.cs.duke.edu> jbd@duke.cs.duke.edu (Joanne Bechta Dugan) writes: >The following is a list of the top 60 undergraduate institutions >on a combination of three measures: the number of graduates who went on >to receive PhD's in science or mathematics from 1971 to 1980; the number >of students who received national Science Foundation fellowships from >1973 to 1984; and the percentage of freshmen with math SAT scores above 600. [list deleted] Ranking by number instead of percentage seems more bogus than necessary to me; it penalizes small schools. Furthermore, the schools I recognize on the list are undergraduate ONLY. If the list is the best undergraduate only schools, it isn't that useful; there are good places to get undergrad degrees that have grad students as well. The big public schools, Berkeley, U-Mich Ann Arbor, Ohio State, UTexas, and U-Minn are so big that they would have been on the list if it really ranked by numbers instead of percentage (and they were eligible). I suspect that the list used percentages but didn't consider schools with grads; I think that at least two of the biggies would have made it otherwise. -andy -- Andy Freeman UUCP: {arpa gateways, decwrl, sun, hplabs, rutgers}!sushi.stanford.edu!andy ARPA: andy@sushi.stanford.edu (415) 329-1718/723-3088 home/cubicle
jbd@duke.cs.duke.edu (Joanne Bechta Dugan) (09/08/87)
In article <10158@duke.cs.duke.edu>, jbd@duke.cs.duke.edu (Joanne Bechta Dugan) writes: > The following is a list of the top 60 undergraduate institutions > on a combination of three measures: When I posted this list, I thought that it was clear that the list included UNDERGRADUATE institutions (i.e. those that DO NOT GRANT graduate degrees. From the mail I received, it was apparently not clear. Anyway, I got the list from a program announcement for grants for faculty at undergraduate institutions for study at research institutions. The list contained the undergraduate schools from which faculty were eligible. Please don't send me mail asking for more info, since the deadline was long since past. The institutions mentioned certainly received announcements and details last year. Joanne ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Joanne Bechta Dugan CSNET: jbd@duke Computer Science Department ARPA: jbd@cs.duke.edu Duke University UUCP: {ihnp4|decvax|mcnc}!duke!jbd Durham, NC 27706, USA Phone: (919) 684-3048
kens@hpldola.HP.COM (Ken Shrum) (09/08/87)
What happens to the rankings if you replace the absolute numerics (# of followon PhDs, # of NSFs) with percentages? Ken Shrum hplabs!hpldola!kens