gib@unirot.UUCP (the gibster) (10/25/87)
In examining several colleges and universities for a friend of mine, the question of USENET and internet access has come up. Do most colleges and universities give access to USETNET and the Internet if they have it? Are there any special restrictions that usually apply? This friend is looking seriously at the following institutions of higher learning, and a response from faculty, current students, or administrators from said schools would be greatly appreciated: Brown University Carnegie Mellon Dartmouth College Duke University Hampshire College New York University Princeton Univeristy Pomona College Wesleyan University Yale University Also, any information regarding the transfer of electronic mail from the outside world to campus residents without computers is welcome. ..rutgers!unirot!gib ..unirot!gib@rutgers.edu
dws@eddie.MIT.EDU (Don W. Saklad) (10/25/87)
Greetings, Does anyone know how to arrange access at ucscc so a prospective student there might exchange mail electronically with me here or read network news ? Best wishes, Don, tel. (617) 661-9650
ocker@yale-zoo-suned..arpa (John Ockerbloom) (10/28/87)
Summary: Expires: Sender: Followup-To: In article <515@unirot.UUCP> gib@unirot.UUCP (the gibster) writes: > >In examining several colleges and universities for a friend of mine, >the question of USENET and internet access has come up. > >Do most colleges and universities give access to USETNET and the Internet >if they have it? Are there any special restrictions that usually apply? > >This friend is looking seriously at the following institutions of higher >learning, and a response from faculty, current students, or administrators >from said schools would be greatly appreciated: [...] > Yale University Here is the situation at Yale: CS majors (and people taking classes on CS department machines) have access to Usenet, and the major mail networks (ARPA, UUCP, and BITNET). Undergraduates have only recently gotten limited ARPA access, though gatewaying has always been possible. I'm not sure if we can use ftp - I haven't had much success with it outside Yale. Non-majors have accounts on a general machine (YALEVM) which is connected to BITNET only, but the machine also knows how to use gateways to get to the other networks. They do not get the Usenet. Here are the addresses of Yalies if you want to reach them: CS majors only: database-name@yale.EDU database-name@yalecs.BITNET database-name@yale.UUCP ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!database-name in all three cases, the database name is <lastname>-<firstname>, as in smith-joan. If the person has a unique last name (like mine) the last name by itself will do. All students (majors and non-majors): username@yalevm.BITNET in this case, username is usually the first 3 letters of the last name, plus the first three letters of the first name, plus the middle initial. There are some exceptions. I hope this helps. John Ockerbloom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ockerbloom@yale.EDU ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!ockerbloom ockerbloom@yalecs.BITNET Box 5323 Yale Station, New Haven, CT 06520
marv@vsedev.UUCP (10/29/87)
In article <515@unirot.UUCP> gib@unirot.UUCP (the gibster) writes: > >Do most colleges and universities give access to USETNET and the Internet >if they have it? Are there any special restrictions that usually apply? I love it! I wonder how many colleges/universities which currently do not allow students access to electronic networks (BITNET, USENET) will reconsider if a large portion of recruits include that in their criteria in choosing a college....Queens College, CUNY: Are you listening?! -marvin -- Marvin Raab Arlington, VA 22202 703-521-5449 (h) ...!uunet!vsedev!marv +--------------------------------------+ ...!rutgers!mimsy!cvl!vsedev!marv | (BITNET: marv%vsedev@UUNET.UU.NET) | ...!ihnp4!verdix!vrdxhq!vsedev!marv | (formerly MFRQC@CUNYVM.BITNET) |
max@eros.uucp (Max Hauser) (10/29/87)
In article <894@vsedev.VSE.COM> marv@vsedev.UUCP (Marvin Raab) writes: >In article <515@unirot.UUCP> gib@unirot.UUCP (the gibster) writes: >>Do most colleges and universities give access to USETNET and the Internet >>if they have it? Are there any special restrictions that usually apply? > I love it! I wonder how many colleges/universities which currently >do not allow students access to electronic networks (BITNET, USENET) >will reconsider if a large portion of recruits include that in their >criteria in choosing a college....Queens College, CUNY: Are you listening?! But of course usually it has nothing at all to do with "allowing students access to Usenet"; the problem is that most schools are strapped for computers, disk space and terminals. I'm sure that most schools with some Usenet activity would love to give access to anyone who comes prepared with, say, their own workstation and disks, and also is willing to share say 80% of these with others on the campus (which is what often happens to scarce resources in a university when someone brings them in -- it would be a good early introduction to the academic world, a side of it that most undergrads are gloriously ignorant of). Since none of the postings so far have mentioned giving students computer resources, which I think is the real key issue here, and a very complex one, the posters must have implicitly assumed that incoming students would supply all of their own -- and in that case I'm confident that most if not all schools would oblige with Usenet access. End of query. Oh, don't forget to budget for your modem phone bill for UUCP traffic, unless you can finagle a hard-wired access to a backbone site... In any event, the colleges "in demand" routinely turn away several applicants for each position they have, a process that is very clumsy and that few faculty or admissions officers are really happy with. Some of them literally lose sleep over it, because of course they are rarely certain that they chose the right ones. If lack of "free" CPU cycles and Megabytes causes some students to self-select themselves out of the applicant pool, it will make life just a bit easier for those who have to choose among the remaining hordes. Besides, it will also keep down the gibberish on the Usenet, already pandemic. Max Hauser / max@eros.berkeley.edu / ...{!decvax}!ucbvax!eros!max
msir@ur-tut.UUCP (Mark Sirota) (10/31/87)
In article <568@shamash.UUCP> jwabik@shamash.UUCP (Jeff Wabik) writes: >In article <10480@duke.cs.duke.edu>, becher@duke.cs.duke.edu (Jonathan D. Becher) writes: > >>>Do most colleges and universities give access to USETNET and the Internet >>>if they have it? Are there any special restrictions that usually apply? > >There is SO MUCH out there (here!) in USENET that the thought of >limiting access to grads and faculty types is rediculous! I had USENET >access during my undergraduate work (University of Minnesota, Duluth) , >and felt that a good part of my CS education came from exchanging mail >and news with the rest of the world. I think Jeff may have been a touch strong, but his point is good. Although it costs time, space, and money to provide worldwide network access to everyone, I still think it's a good idea. Part of what makes today's world great is communication. The media is fine, but it can't provide one-on-one or large group discussions. NetNews and electronic mail provide opportunities for people to communicate with an amazingly large group of people, in a personal, relevant atmosphere. One of the important points about college is social growth, and that's exactly what nationwide networks provide. Seems to me that colleges and universities wouldn't really want to deny their students this opportunity. -- Mark Sirota msir%tut.cc.rochester.edu@cs.rochester.edu (rochester!ur-tut!msir)
marv@vsedev.VSE.COM (Marvin Raab) (11/01/87)
>In article <894@vsedev.VSE.COM> I wrote: I love it! I wonder how many colleges/universities which currently do not allow students access to electronic networks (BITNET, USENET) will reconsider if a large portion of recruits include that in their criteria in choosing a college....Queens College, CUNY: Are you listening?! In article <1994@ucbcad.berkeley.edu> Max Hauser replies: I'm sure that most schools with some Usenet activity would love to give access to anyone who comes prepared with, say, their own workstation and disks, and also is willing to share say 80% of these with others on the campus (which is what often happens to scarce resources in a university when someone brings them in -- it would be a good early introduction to the academic world, a side of it that most undergrads are gloriously ignorant of). My comments: I wouldn't be so sure...I know of many schools which prohibit their students from any use of computers for non-classwork activities. In fact, there is a list somewhere on BITNET for sites to post who can and who cannot use BITNET at their respective schools. The list informs (warns?) the net against contacting "unauthorized" users. One story I remember from my first year on BITNET (1982) occurred when a friend of mine sent a message to a friend at another school. The receiving school sent a nasty mail file to my site administrator threatening legal action if it should ever happen again. -marvin -- Marvin Raab Arlington, VA 22202 703-521-5449 (h) ...!uunet!vsedev!marv +--------------------------------------+ ...!rutgers!mimsy!cvl!vsedev!marv | (BITNET: marv%vsedev@UUNET.UU.NET) | ...!ihnp4!verdix!vrdxhq!vsedev!marv | (formerly MFRQC@CUNYVM.BITNET) |
patth@dasys1.UUCP (Patt Haring) (11/01/87)
In article <894@vsedev.VSE.COM>, marv@vsedev.VSE.COM (Marvin Raab) writes: > In article <515@unirot.UUCP> gib@unirot.UUCP (the gibster) writes: > > > >Do most colleges and universities give access to USETNET and the Internet > >if they have it? Are there any special restrictions that usually apply? > > I love it! I wonder how many colleges/universities which currently > do not allow students access to electronic networks (BITNET, USENET) > will reconsider if a large portion of recruits include that in their > criteria in choosing a college....Queens College, CUNY: Are you listeni When one of the universities in NYC delayed giving students their BITNET accounts, many of them started using Public Access UNIX systems; for those of you who might be interested, here's the current list: nixpub--> PUBLIC ACCESS UNIX (*NIX) SYSTEMS [10-09-87] (Please send additions, corrections, and feedback to warble) Last d=wkdays Contact k=wkends Date Telephone # Sys-name Location Baud Hours ----- ------------ -------- ----------- ------- ----- Systems listed: [ alphacm, chariot, cguild, chinet, conexch, dasys1, ddsw1, dhw68k ] [ eskimo, igloo, killer, m-net, marob, ncoast, netsys, nuchat, nucleus ] [ pallas, pinn, pnet01, pnet02, portal, sir-alan, stb, turnkey, unirot ] [ vpnet, warble, well, xenlink ] 10/09 812-334-8453 cguild Bloomington IN 12 24 286 - SCO-XENIX V2.2.1, xbbs, also 812-334-8465 10/09 713-334-1204 nuchat Houston TX 3/12/24 24 286 - Mport USENET, mail, shell access available 120 meg 10/06 714-662-7450 turnkey Southern CA 12/24 24 286 - Xenix SYSV, XBBS 10/04 312-833-8126 vpnet Villa Park IL 3/12 24 3B1 UNIX Sys ?, no fee, shell access, AKCS/ERACS BBS 09/26 212-675-7059 marob NYC NY 12/24 24 286 SCO-XENIX 2.2, XBBS 09/25 814-333-6728 sir-alan Meadville PA 3/12/24 24 Tandy XENIX/68000 03.01.02, Allegheny College, UNaXcess BBS, anon ftp 09/24 313-623-6309 nucleus Clarkston MI 12/24 24 286 - UNIX SYS V, donation requested, AKCS/ERACS BBS 09/03 216-781-6201 ncoast Cleveland OH 3/12/24 24 PLEXSUS, no fee, donation requested -> $2.00/hr prime, $1.00/hr non-prime 08/31 206-367-3837 eskimo Seattle WA 3/12 24 Tandy-6000 XENIX, 8 lines, fee $1/mo, 1st 2 weeks free 08/30 217-529-3223 pallas Springfield IL 3/12/24 24 Convrgnt Minifrme, multiple lines, 200 meg Minnie bbs $25 donation 08/30 312-283-0559 chinet Chicago IL 3/12/24 24 3b2/300 - SYS V 3.1, multiple lines, Picospan BBS, fee $50/yr for usenet access and other than public lines 08/30 403-295-2541 xenlink Calgary AB 3/12/24 24 286 - SCO -XENIX, no fee, Term BBS, shell access, login bbs 08/30 408-725-0561 portal Cupertino CA 3/12 24 Networked Suns (SunOS), multiple lines (some at 2400 bps), Telenet access fees: $4/hour direct, telenet $4/hour + tnet charges various rates/times conferencing, multi user chats, usenet, no shell access 08/29 415-332-6106 well Sausalito CA 3/12 24 VAX 750 - BSD 4.2, multiple lines, Telenet access, Picospan bbs fees: $8/month, $3/hour direct, Telenet $20/$4 hour (peak/off peak) 08/28 214-824-7881 killer Dallas TX 3/12/24 24 3b2/400 - UNIX, no fee, various time limits, 4 lines 860 meg online 08/28 312-566-8909 ddsw1 Mundelein IL 3/12 24 286 - Mport guest usr 1 hr daily, fee extends use, ERACS/UX bbs 2400 bps for contributors($) on 312-566-8911/12 Authors of ERACS/UX bbs 08/26 312-272-5912 igloo ?? IL 12 unknown PC7300 - UNIX limits unstated PicoSpan conference system 08/23 201-752-2820 unirot ?? NJ 12 unknown Heurikon - Unisoft SYS V, fee status unknown AKA Soup Kitchen 08/23 714-635-2863 dhw68k Anaheim CA 3/12/24 24 Unistride 2.1, fee status unknown, avoid 0200-0700 hrs local time 10/23 212-879-9031 dasys1 NYC NY 12 24 Unistride - SYS V, multiple lines, fee $5/mo AKA Big Electric Cat 08/22 714-842-5851 conexch Santa Anna CA 3/12/24 24 XENIX 714-842-6348 (bbs) - 3/12 various limits fee $25/quarter XBBS 08/06 714-828-0288 alphacm Southern CA 12/24 24 286 - SCO-XENIX no fee, 60 minute per login, 4 lines, XBBS 08/02 301-540-3656-9 netsys Germantown MD 12 unknown ALTOS 986(2) - Xenix, networked 240 meg, fee $5/mo 10/06 619-444-7006 pnet01 El Cajon CA 3/12/24 24 BSD Unix, 3 lines, contributions requested, login: pnet id: new some USENET, net email, multi-thread conferencing. Home of P-Net software, mail to crash!bblue or pnet01!bblue for info. 07/22 213-376-5714 pnet02 Redondo Bch CA 3/12/24 24 XENIX (also 213-374-7404) no fee, 90 min limit, login: pnet id: new some USENET, net-work e-mail, multi-threaded conferencing 07/16 213-459-7231 stb Sta Monica CA 3/12/24 24 Tandy 16 no limits, no fee, Serial Tree bbs (home made), shell access 09/11 305-584-4440 pinn Ft. Laud. FL 3/12/24 24 IBM AT - Microport SYS V, multiple lines, fee $12/yr MAGIC BBS 07/12 303-632-4111 chariot Colo Sprgs CO 3/12 24 Convrgnt Minifrme - SYS V, multiple lines, fee $12/mo Picospan 07/11 313-994-6333 m-net Ann Arbor MI 3/12 24 Altos 68020 - SYS III, limits unstated, fee for extended service Picospan conference system, multiple lines, 160 meg =========================================================================== List originated and maintained on: 09/15 214-250-1764 warble Plano TX 12/24 d 5pm-5am k 24 286 - SCO-XENIX, no fee, XBBS uucp: ...!killer!warble!wayne CIS: 73205,1172 =========================================================================== -- Patt Haring UUCP: ..cmcl2!phri!dasys1!patth Big Electric Cat Compu$erve: 76566,2510 New York, NY, USA MCI Mail: 306-1255; GEnie: PHaring (212) 879-9031 FidoNet Mail: 1:107/132 or 107/222
hobson@rutgers.rutgers.edu (Kevin Hobson) (11/01/87)
In article <515@unirot.UUCP> gib@unirot.UUCP (the gibster) writes: > In examining several colleges and universities for a friend of mine, > the question of USENET and internet access has come up. > > Do most colleges and universities give access to USETNET and the Internet > if they have it? Are there any special restrictions that usually apply? > At Rutgers, anyone taking a higher level computer science (> 300 level course) automatically get access to Usenet, Internet (combination of all interconnected networks), CSnet, NSFnet, FIDOnet and BITNET. The problem is that most students do not know this! We use usenet as internal electronic bboard. Each class has its own bboard for questions/answers. Next, we have ru.qa (rutgers questions and answer) bboard for user questions (How to send mail to so in so? How do you use this function on a sun?) from any machine using netnews software (most of unix machines here). Center for Computer Information Systems (CCIS) is a organization that helps let non-computer science departments get access to the computers. But each individual department is in its own little world and do not know these services exist (macintosh and ibm-pc will do just fine). > This friend is looking seriously at the following institutions of higher > learning, and a response from faculty, current students, or administrators > from said schools would be greatly appreciated: > Brown University > Carnegie Mellon > Dartmouth College > Duke University > Hampshire College > New York University > Princeton Univeristy > Pomona College > Wesleyan University > Yale University Is Rutgers University that bad? > Also, any information regarding the transfer of electronic mail from the > outside world to campus residents without computers is welcome. If you have a computer and modem, you can dialup to the systems. Each campus have just be revised so high speed lines (T1) go to Newark, Piscataway, Camden and New Brunswick campus. So each campus has access to ANY of the computer systems on any campus (Piscataway is the main hub). Sorry, dormitory and/or mail delivery of electronic mail is not possible :-) > ..rutgers!unirot!gib > ..unirot!gib@rutgers.edu Public access unix machine with news feed from rutgers. -- - Kevin Hobson - ARPA: hobson@rutgers.edu - UUCP: {ames, harvard, ucla-cs, cbosgd, moss}!rutgers.edu!hobson - BITNET: hobson@cancer.bitnet - Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ 08903 (201) 932-2260 (201) 932-5027 (201) 932-2492
sysop@stech.UUCP (Jan Harrington) (11/05/87)
> I'm sure that most schools with > some Usenet activity would love to give access to anyone who comes > prepared with, say, their own workstation and disks, and also is > willing to share say 80% of these with others on the campus (which is > what often happens to scarce resources in a university when someone > brings them in -- it would be a good early introduction to the academic > world, a side of it that most undergrads are gloriously ignorant of). > > My comments: > > I wouldn't be so sure...I know of many schools which prohibit their > students from any use of computers for non-classwork activities. In fact, > there is a list somewhere on BITNET for sites to post who can and who > cannot use BITNET at their respective schools. The list informs (warns?) > the net against contacting "unauthorized" users. > This most interesting discussion comes on the heels of some computer ethics discussions that we're having at Bentley College. Just exactly what can a student do with Bentley-owned computing resources? Those resources include stand-alone micros rented to students as well as minis and mainframes accessible through the school's broadband network. The network also includes access to dial-out modems (i.e., access to external networks). For a long time, we felt that students shouldn't use computers for anything other than assigned class work. However, that has changed considerably since every freshman and sophmore has his or her own micro. Our philosophy is now that the computer is a tool to be used for whatever the student deems appropriate - within the limits of our ethics code (which is still under development). At the moment, we operate under a "no harm" rule (strictly unwritten), which means that so long as no other person or resource is harmed, the use is OK. As for external network access, we would have no problem with any student who paid the computer use fee accessing the dial-out modems to interact with either BITNET (a hookup is currently being arranged) or USENET (I have to convince the people who run the VAX that USENET would be useful) so long as the amount of traffic from that individual isn't excessive (i.e., it doesn't prevent others from getting their news in or out). I think it's a sign of Bentley's maturity in computing that we realize that the computer is no longer an end in itself. It's really a tool for managing information and our goal is to aid students in doing so. Jan Harrington, sysop Scholastech Telecommunications ihnp4!husc6!amcad!stech!sysop or allegra!stech!sysop ******************************************************************************** Miscellaneous profundity: "No matter where you go, there you are." Buckaroo Banzai ********************************************************************************